Walked out of veterans hospital as a employee for the final time today.

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
Good move but it's ok at best. Dont be too satisfied with yourself. Religious exemption is cowardness. Undignified. Like it's not your fault. Like you'd like to but you cant unfortunately. You acknowledge their right to demand it by calling it and asking for an exemption. Call it rejection due to religious reasons. Wording is important

How do you figure that "religious exemption is cowardness." ?

I think the religious exemption is used regularly because it legally holds up based on precedent. So it's a bit unfortunate that people have to claim that in order to opt out. They should be able to just say no.

I dont think anyone should have to prove a certain level of devotion to anyone in order for the religious exemption to be valid. It should not be contingent on anything. That's between the person making the claim and their god or gods.

I mean how would someone even go about measuring that? Some kind of written test? Letters backing you up from your organization? Judged by who? It's an absurd scenario.

That means the objective isnt to prove anyone a liar - it's to use the power of the state to put you into financial ruin or cause enough fear in a person over imprisonment to just give in.

Using the state in that way is... well... communist / fascist. Kind of pick your poison I suppose.

Once again stay strong OP !

originally posted by: 727Sky

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe
How do you prove your religion?

They dont have to prove it, although there is no mention of vaccines in religious texts, so it is a bit of a dirty excuse.

It says if they find out they are lying, which in reality they cant, so it's irrelevant.

However the the op obviously feels guilty enough not to risk it, so the threat obviously works on guilty people.

I guess whichever god it is would not be pleased either.

I think you missed the point of his Op. They can mandate all they want and threaten whatever but... there is a time in one's life where you just figure enough is enough and they (the managers and enforcers) can take this job and shove it.

I have been reading other reports of people of many different persuasions walking off a job for something as simple as a mask mandate much less the vaccine. Good news there are plenty of job openings around the country in red states.

Was just thinking.

Gives a very "convenient" excuse for them for a main reason when they introduce the robotics element to the workplace/society. "Well, everyone keeps walking out in protest to vaccines etc so here is the solution"

Majority of human's are no longer required by the system and the technology is ready to replace most of the workforce. Look at back in 2014 for example...



People need to realise (faster than this) that we are mostly obsolete trash to the system that we rely upon to survive.

Make them fire you and the religious exemption paperwork is just criminal... I would contact Robert Barnes who has several cases going on already. This doesn't pass the smell test however, you are always liable for lying on a federal form ... I see this as a scare tactic highlighting something that is normal but is being highlighted for the scare factor. Roberts Barnes law

originally posted by: CupcakeKarma
a reply to: Deetermined

Using stem cells from aborted fetuses in a vaccine for people who don't believe in abortion isnt going to fly.

We are NOT cannibals and do not ingest other humans or even PARTS of other humans. Is that religion based? Idk...

ALSO, when they feed parts of cows to other cows, they experience prions and mad cow disease.

Third, who wants to continue to work for an employer who believes your only value to them is to do what you're told regardless of your ability or well being? Most employers today deserve to be shunned.

Agreed.

Unless you are an infant or a fetus.
They do consume parts of the bodies of others.

originally posted by: spacedoubt

originally posted by: CupcakeKarma
a reply to: Deetermined

Using stem cells from aborted fetuses in a vaccine for people who don't believe in abortion isnt going to fly.

We are NOT cannibals and do not ingest other humans or even PARTS of other humans. Is that religion based? Idk...

ALSO, when they feed parts of cows to other cows, they experience prions and mad cow disease.

Third, who wants to continue to work for an employer who believes your only value to them is to do what you're told regardless of your ability or well being? Most employers today deserve to be shunned.

Agreed.

Unless you are an infant or a fetus.
They do consume parts of the bodies of others.

spacedoubt,

I do not understand your comment.

Perhaps your reference is to the BABIES who consume the MILK from their mothers....

... but I don't consider that action to be anywhere near to cannibalism....

Babies are not EATING their mothers, or their mother's breast, or any body part of the mother. The milk is not a body part.

And, there is a BIG difference between a baby human obtaining their nourishment from their mother.... versus ingesting trace elements of the DEAD human embryo kidney from a vaccine.

Obviously, the aborted baby tissue is not akin to human breast milk.... as the mother did not die during breastfeeding. The human embryo DID die.

sigh

a reply to: YouSir

I'd never say I blame anyone for using whatever tool they can to protect their jobs. It bothers me greatly that people are pretty much forced to use those tactics.

People seem to think they have to be on one side or the other. Anyone can be both pro-vax and anti-forced vaccination at the same time. The only excuse anyone should need is they don't want to. We agree on that.

a reply to: LanceCorvette

Thank you. I was not aware of that definition, I should have looked harder.


Clearly, anyone who fires anyone for not getting the vaccine will be fighting an uphill battle when the lawsuits fly. Which brings up the other issue here. Businesses not only have their back to the wall, but a Sherman Tank is also heading directly at them. Talk about damned if you do, damned if you don't. I highly doubt any business actually wants to take any action at all towards their workers right now. Social and political pressure are giant weights on their throats.

originally posted by: CupcakeKarma

originally posted by: spacedoubt

originally posted by: CupcakeKarma
a reply to: Deetermined

Using stem cells from aborted fetuses in a vaccine for people who don't believe in abortion isnt going to fly.

We are NOT cannibals and do not ingest other humans or even PARTS of other humans. Is that religion based? Idk...

ALSO, when they feed parts of cows to other cows, they experience prions and mad cow disease.

Third, who wants to continue to work for an employer who believes your only value to them is to do what you're told regardless of your ability or well being? Most employers today deserve to be shunned.

Agreed.

Unless you are an infant or a fetus.
They do consume parts of the bodies of others.

spacedoubt,

I do not understand your comment.

Perhaps your reference is to the BABIES who consume the MILK from their mothers....

... but I don't consider that action to be anywhere near to cannibalism....

Babies are not EATING their mothers, or their mother's breast, or any body part of the mother. The milk is not a body part.

And, there is a BIG difference between a baby human obtaining their nourishment from their mother.... versus ingesting trace elements of the DEAD human embryo kidney from a vaccine.

Obviously, the aborted baby tissue is not akin to human breast milk.... as the mother did not die during breastfeeding. The human embryo DID die.

sigh

You said “parts”.
Milk, and my other nutrients provided by the mother are parts.
Epithelial cells, stem cells, products transferred from mother to child to create a functioning micro biome. Etc.

It’s just biology.
The baby consumes what the mothers body provides.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe
How do you prove your religion?

They dont have to prove it, although there is no mention of vaccines in religious texts, so it is a bit of a dirty excuse.

It says if they find out they are lying, which in reality they cant, so it's irrelevant.

However the the op obviously feels guilty enough not to risk it, so the threat obviously works on guilty people.

I guess whichever god it is would not be pleased either.

True, the Bible does not mention vaccines, but it does say that the body is our temple, and we are not to defile it.

a reply to: spacedoubt

You said “parts”.
Milk, and my other nutrients provided by the mother are parts.
Epithelial cells, stem cells, products transferred from mother to child to create a functioning micro biome. Etc.

It’s just biology.
The baby consumes what the mothers body provides.

spacedoubt,

Mother's milk may have the chemical composition of human tissue cells... but breastmilk is NOT a body part, as is a limb, an eyeball or a tooth.

And the mother OR the milk does not die when the biological nutrient produced by her body is released.

Take her arm off and the CELLS within that arm will immediately begin to die.

And WHEN the ENZYMES within each cell of any substance begins to die from heat or unnatural separation of it's needed host, the resulting "chemical or biological substance" can no longer be used as a nutrition; but rather, becomes deadly.

Even breastmilk that is left out within the elements, will become to experience decay and no longer be nutritional.

Dead cells cannot nourish properly. Try to plant a crop of corn with popcorn. It does not work, because the ENZYMES within the cells of the dead corn cannot reproduce LIFE. Once dead, the cells can only produce further decay.

THUS, it is unhealthy to consume dead tissues/cells of anything... but more specifically, of one's own species.

Tell me... do YOU eat human flesh ? Do you think it is healthy and/or wise to consume cooked human tissue ?

a reply to: TruthJava

True, the Bible does not mention vaccines, but it does say that the body is our temple, and we are not to defile it.

TruthJava,

Exactly.

The human body is our Earth vehicle, aka "temple". And the manufacturer's instructions specifically state that we are NOT to defile it, lest we experience pain, misery, dysfunction.

Special notice is given to the Amish, and others who do NOT defile their body with alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, et al abominations.

But we have been given free will. One MAY choose to eat grease and sugar all day, every day... but one will eventually experience an unpleasant and debilitating reaction to such substances.

We Americans USED to have freedoms and free will... but the dirty deep state creatures have been working overtime to enslave our lives for their own nefarious purposes.

a reply to: Blaine91555

I highly doubt any business actually wants to take any action at all towards their workers right now. Social and political pressure are giant weights on their throats.

Blaine91555,

Businesses need to be informed that dirty biden LIED when he implied that businesses can be sued for violating OSHA rules. There IS no such ruling by OSHA because there has been no Congressional rule given to OSHA mandating businesses demand covid 19 vaccinations from their employees, or be fined.

It is FRAUD.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

Using stem cells from aborted fetuses in a vaccine for people who don't believe in abortion isnt going to fly.

Secondly, the OP and his co-workers already planned on making a statement by walking out at the same time.

Third, who wants to continue to work for an employer who believes your only value to them is to do what you're told regardless of your ability or well being? Most employers today deserve to be shunned.

Well the foetus thing is a load of bs.

If they are prepared to walk of the job in a hospital and leave people to suffer then they shouldn't have been working there in the first place imo.

Ummmm...are you basically saying let's just have healthcare workers mindlessly carry on their work assuming that a "standard of care" determined from on high is correct, ethical or even worth executing in the institution, which the workers, as individuals do not morally agree with, regardless of the "science", is worth it because they are simply automatons at the end of the day with a task to do? Is this what you are really saying? They are sh!t if they leave because they have a duty to perform their role, at the cost of what they feel is an unethical decisions being mandated by an essentially unethical institution?

I assume you've never worked in healthcare? Possibly never cared for anyone other than your own family? If that? If you have, you would understand that good care comes from good people. These people do their jobs well, also because they believe what they are doing is good and also working in a system they belive to be noble and righteous. They are their brothers keeper by virtue of their altruism.

Do you see what's going on right now though? These are NOT exactly the same health care systems they were 2 years ago. They are openly flaunting total disregard for human rights based on an overhyped threat from an extremely survivable virus...while money and power is being concentrated by the hour...the second....with the vaccines which obviously don't work. If they did, the results would speak for themselves.

Remaining a healthcare worker in an institution which operates like this, mandating experimental therapeutics, while holding moral value close to the heart and identity of the individual, would then naturally lead the individual to choosing to make unethical decisions to continue to remain employed there which would lead to serious consequences for the health and psychology of the individual. Therefore...what is the point in remaining, even if they got a "pass"? How could anyone live with themselves after abandoning their moral values?

a reply to: holydarkness

Thank you for standing your ground. There is a thread about emails a whistleblower for Pfizer had access to, in which one of the directors of Pfizer admits in the emails that they have been using kidnell cells from murdered unborn babies and they are part of the vaccine development, and in the letter the Pfizer director staes they don't want that info out...

That's not including the fact that even when Biden's criminal CDC approved these vaccines, they are still experimental, as there is no long term study on any of them. As per the Nuremberg rules, no one can forced any type of experimental medicine or treatment. They have to give all the facts, which the democrats/Biden criminal administration are trying to hide, and instead have been lying since the pandemic started. as per the Nuremberg rules, if there are any treatments that can be used to treat illnesses, it makes medical experiments obsolete. There are plenty of treatments, but the anti-Trumpers/science deniers lie even about those treatments.

originally posted by: CupcakeKarma
a reply to: spacedoubt

You said “parts”.
Milk, and my other nutrients provided by the mother are parts.
Epithelial cells, stem cells, products transferred from mother to child to create a functioning micro biome. Etc.

It’s just biology.
The baby consumes what the mothers body provides.

spacedoubt,

Mother's milk may have the chemical composition of human tissue cells... but breastmilk is NOT a body part, as is a limb, an eyeball or a tooth.

And the mother OR the milk does not die when the biological nutrient produced by her body is released.

Take her arm off and the CELLS within that arm will immediately begin to die.

And WHEN the ENZYMES within each cell of any substance begins to die from heat or unnatural separation of it's needed host, the resulting "chemical or biological substance" can no longer be used as a nutrition; but rather, becomes deadly.

Even breastmilk that is left out within the elements, will become to experience decay and no longer be nutritional.

Dead cells cannot nourish properly. Try to plant a crop of corn with popcorn. It does not work, because the ENZYMES within the cells of the dead corn cannot reproduce LIFE. Once dead, the cells can only produce further decay.

THUS, it is unhealthy to consume dead tissues/cells of anything... but more specifically, of one's own species.

Tell me... do YOU eat human flesh ? Do you think it is healthy and/or wise to consume cooked human tissue ?

Maybe you’re just sanitizing reality for personal sensibility reasons.
Reproduction for placental animals is a rough biz.
Using the mother as a resource while simultaneously trying to prevent that same mother from killing it for being a foreign invader.

I think we’re off topic !



And no, I don’t see other folks as some kind of lunch item.

originally posted by: Silcone Synapse

originally posted by: holydarkness
if you want to get religious exemption I would have to sign a legal document that stated if they found out I was lying about my religion that I would be imprisoned for 5 years and be fined 100k.

That part would have made me resign on the spot.
If that is actually the law then that law seems criminal to me.

Think of it like this-In the midst of a multi billion $ global mind control operation which attempts to make everyone roll over and allow the government to dictate what experimental shots you inject...

YOU stayed true to your principals.
You did not roll over and you did not buy the ever changing BS narrative pushed at you by a thouroughly evil cabal of demons who are attempting to turn society and the world into a borg-like digital papars please prison full of brain dead slaves who can no longer think for themselves.

Well done for being true to yourself and not bending the knee to the dark ones.

Yep... it's unfortunate he didn't have a recording of that conversation. First... it's doubtful the boss or VA is actually investigating people's religious beliefs... and to say so is a major violation of civil rights straight out of the gate. What constitutes religious observance is ENTIRELY the domain of the citizen.

A case like that has a fair chance of winding it's way to the SCOTUS, and the plaintiffs odds of winning on the merits and black letter law are so high... it would be a dumbarse move to let it go that far.

If he could prove this boss actually said this... he is probably talking about a large settlement if a lawsuit was filed on the issue.

It would require a lot of time, and some good lawyers, which are out of reach of a lot of folks... but it would be pretty gratifying to have someone sue the f*** out of them, and this supervisor in particular

100% = Actually = Talked to my girl last night who works for the VA in WV = She confirmed that = If you Lieabout getting the shot and they find out that the ramifications are as such.. = So either don't lie and do not falsify a vax card or you're sunk = And I can agree with that = For her this is Not in regards to Religious exemptions..... Please provide the document that you received that stated your OP! = If it isn't in writing = Then it's fear mongering, scare tactics and forceful lip service..



a reply to: holydarkness

a reply to: holydarkness

Good for you, stick to your principles.

originally posted by: holydarkness
First thing I wanna do is say to all of my countries veterans I truly hope you dont suffer your care over this damn vaccine debate.

Today at 10am I was called into the office my boss told me I had til 6pm tomorrow to be vaccinated or I would be fired. I said you know I can not take it for religious reasons and he said if you want to get religious exemption I would have to sign a legal document that stated if they found out I was lying about my religion that I would be imprisoned for 5 years and be fined 100k.

I knew it was coming (I am not lying about my religion but the fact they are threatening to lock people up is taking it to far) and have a backup plan in place so at noon myself and a good number of the staff all walked off our shift and said good bye to the hospital we love.

I’m sorry, but I have no sympathy for you, nor all the others who refuse to get the vaccine. So if you were expecting everyone to agree with you, well just no. People like you are the reason this pandemic continues to thrive, putting people in the hospital, and killing people. You see, responsible people like me also have rights. I have rights to not be exposed to people who weren’t vaccinated and wind up sick or dead myself. Many of you forget this. You all are so focused on yourselves, and are selfish. It’s all about you. Well, good on ya! Good luck in finding another job. Most will ask if you were vaccinated, and when you tell them you weren’t, they will just kick you to the curb.