Oliver Stone: If not for Putin, Russia would have been destroyed

Vladimir Putin did not allow Russia to become a "vassal" of the United States, said American filmmaker Oliver Stone in an interview with the Russia 24 TV channel. RIA Novosti news agency writes about it.

“The United States could become a partner of Russia, could help along the lines of the Marshall Plan, but because of the money, this did not happen. On Wall Street, they decided that Russia should be seized, take over the business. All these oligarchs appeared. Putin began to oppose this, to defend country. If not for him, Russia would have been destroyed. "

According to the director, if Washington succeeded in subjugating Moscow, it would be detrimental both to the States themselves and to the whole world, since "the United States would become more and more powerful, would turn into a tyranny."
"No one should have too much power. It's just a law of nature - there must be a balance," Stone said.

He is confident that Russia and the United States could cooperate in the fight against COVID-19, as well as in the production of "clean energy" on the basis of, in particular, Russian nuclear energy.
At the same time, according to Stone, Washington is interested in an external enemy in order to supply orders for its huge military-industrial complex - this role was played in turn by Venezuela, Iran and Cuba.
"Why can't they stop? Because there is a lot of money at stake. Money and transactions. It's not about Russia. If it weren't for Russia, another enemy would have been found," concluded the director.

a reply to: RussianTroll

The banksters of the west have waged war on Russia since before WW1.

They destroyed the country and massacred the people through their Lenin/Stalin implementation of Marx's genocidal philosophy.

It appears to me that Putin rose through the ranks, united with other patriotic Russians and fomented a coup long ago.

Putin/Patriotic Russians have been fighting the satanic pedo elite since than and the world is a far better place for it!

a reply to: elementalgrove

You're right. Back in 1905, Russian intelligence reported to Emperor Nicholas II that 5 leading banking houses in the West had allocated $ 5 billion for the revolution in Russia.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: elementalgrove

You're right. Back in 1905, Russian intelligence reported to Emperor Nicholas II that 5 leading banking houses in the West had allocated $ 5 billion for the revolution in Russia.

Fascinating how few people understand the real history of not only Russia, but our world.

The movie industry is a major department in the Ministry of Propaganda.
Oliver Stone is just one of many executives in the department.

originally posted by: sraven
The movie industry is a major department in the Ministry of Propaganda.
Oliver Stone is just one of many executives in the department.

It only turns out that Stone is the opposite propagandist. He got an unprecedented opportunity in 2 years to take more than a dozen interviews with Putin and create a whole series. I watched it and I think it is a conversation between two honest people.

a reply to: RussianTroll

All these oligarchs appeared. Putin began to oppose this, to defend country.

It's my understanding that Putin opposed the oligarchs who weren't favourable to him , those who supported him like his mate Roman Abramovich are free to do what they do.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: RussianTroll

All these oligarchs appeared. Putin began to oppose this, to defend country.

It's my understanding that Putin opposed the oligarchs who weren't favourable to him , those who supported him like his mate Roman Abramovich are free to do what they do.

And you ask Berezovsky, who was killed in London by the British special services, Khodorkovsky and many others who settled in London with the stolen money.

a reply to: RussianTroll

And you ask Berezovsky, who was killed in London by the British special services

That'll be the same Berezovsky who was an opponent of Putin ?

British Secret Service had no reason to kill him , Vlad on the other hand....

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: RussianTroll

And you ask Berezovsky, who was killed in London by the British special services

That'll be the same Berezovsky who was an opponent of Putin ?

British Secret Service had no reason to kill him , Vlad on the other hand....

Yes, especially when you consider the penitential letter that Berezovsky wrote to Putin before his death and in which he exposed the role of the British secret services. who completely stole all Berezovsky's money))))
He suddenly became bankrupt, with his billions))))

a reply to: elementalgrove

Sorry got to pull you up on something.

You are simply regurgitating anti socialist propaganda, anti Marxism etc and yet Russia today is actually a capitalist society albeit one with some strong legislation in place to protect it against the thieving that began to occur when the soviet union broke down.

But the truth about Marx could not be further from your point, he was not genocidal he was a radical free thinker and NEVER had any power in his lifetime.

All he did was print a manifesto and some of his ideas by the way were actually very good indeed but he was Atheist and not correct on some of his main ideas.

Communism was just one way (And an Atheist ideology as well while more Western Socialism was actually more Christian in it's origin than Marxist regardless of what some would say about Labour in the UK for example because most of the Labour Party's founders were actually NOT Marxists they were Christian Socialists) of taking his ideas and putting them into action and a failed attempt at it as well but also one that owes more to the French Revolution than it ever did to Marx.

In the US they outright LIE in the media and the same in the UK when they talk about socialism, tear down other people's country's etc.


Here is a fine example of what I mean, ever hear of a this little place called Denmark with a Welfare (Socialist) Democracy, a small country whose people are BETTER OFF than in the US, have a high quality of life, actually CARE about there people and made for them Socialism a qualified Success.



Other nations were it worked well, Norway, Sweden and yes it once worked very well indeed in the UK until some people called the Tory's sold everything off to fund a SHORT TERM economic boom that only benefited there constituency's.

In our case in the UK during the late Cold War the Soviet union had people in our Labour movement whom SABOTAGED our democratic socialist Labour party by causing wild fire strikes and sowing chaos in there failed attempt to destabilize the west, in the Long run it cost them more than it ever did us but we lost any chance of a Government that actually cared about our people and the Tory's and so called NEW Labour then dismantled the majority of our (Still Capitalist but REGULATED) state and followed policy's of storing up problems for the future instead of the proper job of government which is to ESTABLISH and BUILD for the future.

Sadly we are living in an ideocracy.

But I understand were you are coming from, there are a great many people whom the IDEA of socialism scares the crap out of because they wrongly associate it with Communism.

And in the US in particular there has been a concerted effort by state and corporate media to brainwash the US public into thinking ANY form of tax based redistribution of wealth is evil and bad while leaving it in the pockets of the swindlers and crook's that have too much at the top of society and probably got were they are through all kinds of criminal and fraudulent activity's and insider trading is GOOD and PROPER because????, sadly that is what happens when you let someone else PROGRAM you and do your thinking for you and then you (not you just figuratively speaking) play along like a good little sheep on the way to the abattoir.

All that a moderate socialist state like Denmark does and it works is take a bit of wealth from the high earners, re-invest that in some of it's industry, into the poorest people in the nation giving them enough to live on (which BOOSTS Retail sectors and all related sectors of the economy by the way) and education as well as health and guess what people are happier, live longer, healthier, more educated and informed (important to any REAL Democracy because they can actually think for themselves) and also more likely to get a job in a nation were they are paid a FAIR WAGE.


Sadly we in the UK have forgotten this, we really need to take lessons off the Danish whom Took Lessons off of us when we had a working Socialist democracy and get one back ourselves which is of course never going to happen with out people so thick and dumbed down that they believe the PRIVATELY owned and controlled media over there own common sense.

And as for Russia they too could take a Leaf out of Denmark's book in how to do Socialism correctly if that is they actually still care about there people.

a reply to: RussianTroll

I have always been under the impression that Russia will always
take care of Russia.I can't see any nation subjugating Russia at all,
even more so with Putin in charge.
The Russians' are the boogie man for some political parties in the U.S.

I guess it was pretty easy in the 1990s B.C. days to put together US investors dark money and Russian assets with their new found friends.

originally posted by: elementalgrove

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: elementalgrove

You're right. Back in 1905, Russian intelligence reported to Emperor Nicholas II that 5 leading banking houses in the West had allocated $ 5 billion for the revolution in Russia.

Fascinating how few people understand the real history of not only Russia, but our world.

Even more fascinating how few people understand that extraordinary claims need supporting evidence.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Excellent post, but one that needs an understanding of basic political terms like socialism and communism.

A few comments.

You're right about the nature of Russia over the last fifteen years or so. The free market reforms brought in by Yeltsin were tearing the country apart. Putin used the same antidemocratic powers introduced by Yeltsin to screw things down and impose order while licensing corruption. That's why we in the west should be careful what we wish for when governments suggest strong public order legislation.

The Tories farked Britain good and proper in the 1980s. The money from the North Sea gas and oil fields, for example, went to underwrite privatisation projects. The Norwegians used to it start a sovereign wealth fund. Heck, even Rwanda has a sovereign wealth fund. The Gulf States have used the sovereign wealth funds to buy up great chunks of London. Not just real estate but the streets as well: a lot of London's Docklands is private property. We don't have a sovereign wealth fund. Instead, we have an energy sector on the verge of collapse. Mind you, the neo liberal New Labour project didn't help much.

The Soviet penetration of the trade union movement was grossly exaggerated by the same people who brought you the Zinoviev Letter in the 1920s. I briefly knew the late Jack Jones - who was accused of being a Soviet mole himself - and he said he wished the unions had been as politically inclined as that. Where we went wrong was in the late 1940s early 1950s, when business refuse to consider the kind of workers representation on boards that we were imposing on Germany and Japan. That refusal to consider the view from the shop floor, plus incompetent union reps, plus incompetent local managers, plus incompetent politicians, created a near perfect storm of constant conflict.

As long as we live in a country where Alexander Boris dePfeiffel Johnson - Eton educated millionaire, descendant of royalty from including the Romanovs and the Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire, with a decades long track record of mendacity and lying - is seen as more a man of the people than Keir Starmer - working class lad who worked his way to the top - we're screwed. Don't get me wrong, I don't trust Starmer any more than I would trust Blair to look after my dog while I popped into the corner shop for a pint of milk. But how messed up is Britain today?

Part of it is down to our losing our identity after 1945. We won the war and lost everything. Other countries in comparable situations - eg Spain in 1898 - took decades and much blood to work out their new place in the world. We don't do bloodshed, we just plod on, lost, tagging along with everyone who can give us dreams of former glory while filling their boots and cutting our public services.

I'm only a few years away from cashing in my chips and retiring. I was born in the UK, brought up in the UK and think I've contributed a lot to my community and society in general - and this is not the country I want to grow old in.

originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese

originally posted by: elementalgrove

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: elementalgrove

You're right. Back in 1905, Russian intelligence reported to Emperor Nicholas II that 5 leading banking houses in the West had allocated $ 5 billion for the revolution in Russia.

Fascinating how few people understand the real history of not only Russia, but our world.

Even more fascinating how few people understand that extraordinary claims need supporting evidence.

a reply to: LABTECH767




Both of you can start with the book The Creature From Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin

a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

Best comment I have read for a long time, yes it may have been anti union propaganda about the Unions so I will take that critique as correct from you as well.

And also correct about Starmer, he would be moderately better than Boris, well actually world's better but he has the charisma of a plaster wall and is not true labour just a Blairite.

But if I had to vote tomorrow I would still vote Labour even if they are NOT Labour any longer and unrecognizable to the Labour party of the past.

You know Corbyn may have been a weak leader but some of his ideas - some - were correct such as renationalization of SOME former national assets such as water, gas and electricity as well as the post office and train network as these were and are essential to life in the 21st century utility's that really should be under government oversight (building more social housing, reinvesting in British industry with new subsidies etc were also only common sense so he was dead right there as well and of course his government would have been more humane and done it's outright best to restore the NHS putting the privatisation through the back door back out of that door with a firm boot and a stay out notice).

I remember hearing the true reason why Thatcher shut down the mines in the UK and as for Boris claiming it was eco friendly actually he is dead wrong, it was simply this.

Mr Thatcher old Dennis the man behind the Woman was actually a Billionaire but kept his official wealth in only the millions (only while most people back then were lucky if they earned over a hundred in a job - though some were on good wages for the time) and among his other hidden investments and hidden wealth (including a pot worth billions hidden in a certain African nation that his son later tried to overthrow by orchestrating a coup attempt) was a sizable amount in the south American coal mining industry, he put it to his wife that we in the UK had one of the greatest number of coal fired power stations (at the time) and that if only he could sell his very cheap coal at something like ten pence per ton (young sulphur rich coal) to them (the state was paying for that coal at the time) instead of paying nearly a pound a Ton (since our coal industry was ran by the government and despite our coal being on a par with the best in the world as it was old and burned much cleaner than most other coals with low sulphur content) that he could make an absolute killing for himself and his pal's by selling that crap to our nation, Thatcher then waged a war against the coal mining community's, those strikes were justified as people were fighting for there community's and livelihoods while she was dead set on pushing through what for her family was a very lucrative deal, in the end it never payed off probably because of that sulphur and she also sold off the power company's.

Of course corruption also happened under Labour (never mind the vile Militant whom were NOT and NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN in the Labour movement but in fact were pushing for communism they poisoned Labour from within every bit as badly as Blair did but from the other end of the spectrum), a good example of this was the story of Salter's Duck.

www.greenleft.org.au...

Had that decimal place not been moved by someone fearing that it would undermine Jobs in the North Sea, oil and gas industry as well as the coal fields we today would likely be exporting energy to Europe and not the other way around, moreover it would have been green energy.

So yes another brilliant point, most of our government since the late 50's has been incompetent (you know we were right and so were the French in the Suez crisis it was the Yank's that backstabbed us or we would still have control of the Suez Canal, the four day would would then never have happened as well so the entire history of that region would likely be very different and far more stable with our continued presence, history in the second half of the twentieth century it would seem was a game of mistakes).

a reply to: elementalgrove

I would suggest steering clear of or taking a dose of salts before reading his works, he is a RIGHT wing conspiracy theorist and so on the FAR opposite side of that spectrum so no I would probably not read his book except perhaps as light entertainment while having a crap no offence (it's always good to know what other folk's believe as that way you can try to get the facts into there heads).
en.wikipedia.org...

Not saying he is a bad guy just his opinions and views are a right wing American centric view that has nothing to do with our views and let's be fair if you are poor in the US you are crapped on by your state.

Let's be fair you had some Moderate socialists in Hollywood whom were actually PROSECUTED by your government in direct contravention of your rights and freedoms promised under the US constitution for there belief's and you have had well nigh over 60 years of active brainwashing through media, school and government of your people to think that all forms of socialism is evil.

God help those behind that when they try to get into heaven were Brother shares with Brother, the Poor are looked after and the government - GOD - owns everything because to point out a fact to you they are more RED in the Satanic sense than even the commies ever were.

I have two words - Christian Socialism and I encourage you to read this story.
www.biblegateway.com...:1-11&version=NIV
Now they were NOT punished for keeping there wealth from the (TRUE) CHRISTIAN commune but for lying to God but still they were wrong on both account's.

It is the devil that tempted Jesus saying that HE owns the earth and it's kingdoms, God never said the devil owns them indeed Jesus whom IS God said the earth and the fullness thereof (Everything in it for all time) belongs to God and he also said that Satan was a liar and Murderer from his beginning, remember all those treatise with the Native Americans that were lies and all that land that was stolen, now a lot of people in the US knowing and unknowing have native ancestry so that will even out eventually but it is a nice comparison to think about.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Ok that link did not work, the story you are looking for is Ananias and Sapphira from the New Testament, read the details about the Christian community they were living in.