Social media fails to censor antisemitism

I am posting in skunk works because I don't have a theory but I do have some information.

The first question I would like to ask is if anyone had noticed the growing American support for Palestine in the Israel v. Palestine issue.

I am aware Vox is considered progressive liberal trash, but I found their assessment of the dichotomy between Trump and Obama's relationship with Israel interesting.

www.vox.com...

The Trump administration has led to renewed warmth in the Israeli-American relationship, culminating in Trump’s December decision to formally recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. The stark difference between Obama and Trump approaches to Netanyahu reflects a growing partisan gap inside the United States, with Republicans taking an increasingly hard-line “pro-Israel” position. If Democrats end up concomitantly becoming more willing to criticize the Israeli government, Israel may well end up a partisan issue in America — which actually would threaten the foundations of the US-Israel alliance.

Vox has a very extensive section on their website with information about almost every aspect of the Israel/Palestine conflict. Prior to the part of this article that I quoted, they talk about Obama's conflicts with Netanyahu about Iran and settlements. They also mention...

Since the Cold War, the foundation of the still-strong (and arguably stronger) relationship between the countries has obviously shifted. Some suggest that a common interest in fighting jihadism ties America to Israel, while others point to American leaders’ ideological attachment to an embattled democracy. Perhaps the simplest explanation is that the American public has, for a long time, sympathized far more with Israel than with Palestine

I am not going to go into religious things here and there are probably many different reasons that the claim could be made that Americans sympathized more with Israel than Palestine. That is not even an issue when we have H.R 2590 introduced by Betty McCollum, titled Defending the Human Rights of Palestinian Children and Families Living Under Israeli Military Occupation Act this bill was introduced in April 2021 and I will just post a link to the text so you can read it yourself if you want. It does detail some pretty horrific claims of human rights violations against Palestinian children by Israeli forces.

www.congress.gov...

I would also like to point out this article from NGO Monitor www.ngo-monitor.org... which brings to light the issues with this bill.

NGO Monitor has analyzed the draft bill and notes the following fundamental false claims, misstatements and distortions. A number were included in the 2017 and 2019 versions of the legislation and were highlighted in our earlier analyses, but are repeated in the latest text.

Here is what they found.

the current version relies on Defense for Children International-Palestine (DCI-P), as is apparent in the text and explicitly acknowledged by a DCI-P official in a March 9 2021 webinar. These have been, essentially, DCIP projects under McCollum’s name. DCI-P is linked to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), a terror organization as listed by the US and other governments. To date, NGO Monitor has identified 11 current and former DCI-P board members, officials, and employees linked to the PFLP (for more details, see Appendix 1 below and NGO Monitor’s report “Defense for Children International – Palestine’s Ties to the PFLP Terrorist Organization”). On the basis of this information, financial institutions such as Citibank, Arab Bank, and Global Giving have acted to close DCI-P’s accounts.

Apparently the group McCollum got a lot but not all of her information from also uses social media to celebrate and glorify murders of Israelis. This resolution kind of makes it seem as though Israeli military is basically patrolling the streets arresting Palestinian children but as NGO Monitor points out...

According to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS), there are over 1.3 million Palestinians aged 17 and younger in the West Bank.  Even accepting DCI-P’s un-corroborated highest estimate of 700 detentions a year, this yields a detention ratio of 0.053%. According to US Department of Justice data, in 2017 – the latest year available, 0.13% of American juveniles were held in juvenile facilities.

So the narrative on that is misleading but also in some places downright false, for example...

The bill quotes a 2020 report by Human Rights Watch alleging, “Israel denied Palestinian children arrested and detained in the West Bank legal protections granted to Israeli children, including settlers, such as protections against nighttime arrests and interrogations without a guardian present.”  The HaMoked and B’Tselem documents make similar claims about night arrests.

But NGO Monitor found that Israeli law actually has no such protections against night arrest and that Israeli law does allow for the interrogation of minors without parents present for several reasons.

Additionally, In Israel, minors who are interrogated under arrest are not entitled to have their parents present. More broadly, there is no internationally recognized standard that requires parents to be present during the interrogation of minors.

It was also found that...

These claims are contradicted by an official from DCI-P itself. According to a March 31, 2021 interview with the head of DCI-P’s Hebron office, Riad Arrar – who has led the NGO’s Children Protection Program, “DCI-P lawyers represent the children in the courts from the moment of the arrest until the moment of the verdict, and after it as well, when the indictment is prepared”  (emphasis added). According to Arrar, “the lawyer accompanies the child even when the meeting with the Israeli officers is taking place, and he clarifies to him his rights and responsibilities with regard to remaining silent or refraining from answering the investigators”

This article which I linked at the beginning of all these quotes goes on to break down basically every claim made in H.R. 2590 and how it is mostly all false and misleading. And how most of it has no or contradictory supporting evidence.

I bring all this up because I came across an article talking about how Facebook doesn't really censor anti-semitism and it struck me as odd. I mean, social media censors a lot of stuff. So I wanted to get it from the horses mouth and went to the ADL website where I found this... www.adl.org...-online-holocaust-denial-report-card-explained-

Facebook has one of the most explicit Holocaust denial policies, but it is also the only platform in our investigation that either failed to respond to our reports or claimed the content we reported did not violate its Holocaust denial policy. On the other hand, Twitch has an explicit Holocaust denial policy and implemented it against the content we reported as part of our investigation.

Most social media sites did not meet ADL approval for their holocaust denial censorship policies. The ADL link i posted also has screenshots of examples of posts various social media sites failed to censor.

End of part 1.

Part 2.

The article I saw initially reported it more bluntly, www.theguardian.com...

There has been a serious and systemic failure to tackle antisemitism across the five biggest social media platforms, resulting in a “safe space for racists”, according to a report. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube and TikTok failed to act on 84% of posts spreading anti-Jewish hatred and propaganda reported via the platforms’ official complaints system.

I know, it's The Guardian. You can search for this and find your own source to your liking but the point of this is not the source. It is the fact that MSM is reporting it.

So what is the deal here? Is American public opinion and support for Israel changing to support for Palestine? Why the lack of censorship of anti-semitic posts on social media? I just thought this was interesting because I know some people who think that Jewish people control everything. Is this controlled opposition? What exactly is this?

It's all in the krux. Keep crying wolf, someday the rooster defends itself.

a reply to: Chalcedony

Well, I gotta tell you, you haven't presented any evidence of your claim that "Social media fails to censor antisemitism".

Also, I found this bit quite funny;

2020 report by Human Rights Watch alleging, “Israel denied Palestinian children arrested and detained in the West Bank legal protections granted to Israeli children, including settlers, such as protections against nighttime arrests and interrogations without a guardian present.”

But NGO Monitor found that Israeli law actually has no such protections against night arrest and that Israeli law does allow for the interrogation of minors without parents present for several reasons.

Additionally, In Israel, minors who are interrogated under arrest are not entitled to have their parents present. More broadly, there is no internationally recognized standard that requires parents to be present during the interrogation of minors.

So in summary, there just isn't any law protecting children, and somehow that's anti-semitic?

And finally to your guardian article;

There has been a serious and systemic failure to tackle antisemitism across the five biggest social media platforms, resulting in a “safe space for racists”

Jews are religious followers or Judaism, neither of which has anything to do with race, racism or being racist.

The progressive hoard hates Christianity with zeal and ignorantly equates tv evangelists with Christianity. The Ignorant evangelicals are subservient to Israel. Bob's your uncle. In reality all they aforementioned serve Lucifer. Its a shell game that you will never understand if you have any affinity to the state of Israel or Lucifer and you obviously do.

The left hates Israel, ironically most Jews are leftist/socialist..when the left wing gets power they always attack the Jewish people. Very strange

Correct

a reply to: myselfaswell

Well. I don’t see a lot of Americans siding with the Palestinians. I see a lot of Hollywood social media types being antisemetic. The same ones that want a different America, they want to shred the constitution. They want free crap a reply to: Chalcedony

Well. I don’t see a lot of Americans siding with the Palestinians. I see a lot of Hollywood social media types being antisemetic. The same ones that want a different America, they want to shred the constitution. They want free crap a reply to: Chalcedony

I wouldn't side with any of them personally..

I think alot of people are waking up to how israel has abused Palestinians. Rather than the old line of thinking that just blindly labeled Palestinians as terrorists and Israel as the good guys.

There is a big difference between anti-Semitism and profoundly disagreeing with the way the state of Israel does its business. Agreeing with the fundamental aims of the Palestinian people to establish their own homeland does not necessarily equate with a prejudice against Jews, and it is far too easy for the Israeli state and its supporters to throw in the anti-Semitism card and label their opponents as some sort of demon instead of dealing with the charges levelled against them.

Prejudice in all its forms is abhorrent, but people with shouldn't be allowed to mask their own failings and deflect criticism by accusing their detractors of being inherently biased, rather than genuinely critical.

originally posted by: daboxfan
Well. I don’t see a lot of Americans siding with the Palestinians. I see a lot of Hollywood social media types being antisemetic. The same ones that want a different America, they want to shred the constitution. They want free crap a reply to: Chalcedony

Can you give examples ( other than Mel Gibson ) of celebrities making antisemitic comments?

a reply to: Chalcedony

The OP only uses the word "Jewish" once and "Jew" not at all.

Israel is not synonymous with Judaism. The Israeli state is not synonymous with Israel. Conflating the three and accusing any dissenting voices of anti-semitism adds to to the problem.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
There is a big difference between anti-Semitism and profoundly disagreeing with the way the state of Israel does its business. Agreeing with the fundamental aims of the Palestinian people to establish their own homeland does not necessarily equate with a prejudice against Jews, and it is far too easy for the Israeli state and its supporters to throw in the anti-Semitism card and label their opponents as some sort of demon instead of dealing with the charges levelled against them.

Prejudice in all its forms is abhorrent, but people with shouldn't be allowed to mask their own failings and deflect criticism by accusing their detractors of being inherently biased, rather than genuinely critical.

Well said. It's screwed up that our tax dollars are supporting Israel to have a military occupation of Palestine. $3.8 billion in military support was given to Israel in 2019.

a reply to: Chalcedony

The first question I would like to ask is if anyone had noticed the growing American support for Palestine in the Israel v. Palestine issue

Thats a good thing unless you support Apartheid state racism and genocide.

originally posted by: AgarthaSeed

originally posted by: daboxfan
Well. I don’t see a lot of Americans siding with the Palestinians. I see a lot of Hollywood social media types being antisemetic. The same ones that want a different America, they want to shred the constitution. They want free crap a reply to: Chalcedony

Can you give examples ( other than Mel Gibson ) of celebrities making antisemitic comments?

Annnnnnnd crickets.

a reply to: Chalcedony

Fails to censor

That's all you need to read of this.

FAILURE TO CENSOR IS A GOOD THING!

Freedom of speech is valuable, protect it at all costs.