the question our leaders seem to be avoiding, why?

a reply to: nonspecific

Yeah, I didn't mention the whole passport thing. That's a whole other dimension. And, you know, I don't even really have a problem with the passport thing for international travel; it's the passport for going out in public I have a HUGE issue with.

I don't honestly believe that the 'vaccine' is designed to be a eugenics driven tool of genocide. That's pretty far out there for me. But, what I don't understand is why it is so forbidden to understand the true side effects of the vaccine. I don't know if you've seen some of my other posts about what has, and is, happening with my FIL as a result of the vaccine, but some of these vaccines are cause for serious concern. AND...these vaccines are not all the same; some have different side effects than others. Why then can't this be openly discussed? It make no sense, and the fact that these discussions get shot down immediately, without another word, gets my spidey senses tingling.

In principle, I don't have an issue with socialized medicine. There are lessons to be learned from the UK and Canada. However, to reap these benefits we have to put the blocks to these attorneys and class action lawsuits, because those two are a toxic time bomb which will decimate both the economy AND the medical profession.

originally posted by someone unable to properly quote anything... at all - aka: nonspecific
a reply to: tanstaafl
would you be so good as to explain what the word from means please?

You don't know what the word 'from' means?

Really?

Amazing. I didn't even use that word in the post you replied to. If you'd learn to quote properly for context, maybe I'd be able to glean what you meant.

The only word that I used that you may not have run across is grok... but I fail to see how that could be typo'd into 'from'...

Anyway, if that is the word you meant, it is a reference from a Robert Heinlein sci-fi novel 'Stranger in a Strange Land'...

I meant that from what I understand people in the US have less trust in the medical industry that we do here in the UK?

Although we pay for it then just about everything is "free" or subsidised.

It's also less of a political issue here as well I think. Right now both the left and right seem to be critical of the government on the same things and even more critical of the left in equal measure.

I'm openly critical of Boris but even I will say that given the situation he's doing mostly what seems to be a good job in a bad situation, I'm not going disagree with him just because he's right wing and I lean heavily to the left.



a reply to: ketsuko

I'm sure you can cope with my using the reply option as opposed to quoting without too much effort. I'm on a smart phone and it's far too much of a faff trying to edit on a touchscreen.



As you can see grok does autocorrect to from.




a reply to: tanstaafl

a reply to: nonspecific

The medical industry itself is fine. The problem lies in what they charge you. Because we have allowed everyone to think they must have insurance, the price for everything is distorted, and when you get a bill, it can be darn near impossible to determine what part of it is your responsibility and what parts are the insurance covered, etc.

It's annoying, but by and large the medical care itself is usually pretty good, or at least, I've not run into issues with it.

originally posted by: sciencelol
I just dont understand anyone that would get the vax after having the virus.

The vax is to create antibodies if you have recovered from the virus you have antibodies .

it makes 0 sense to vax after having the virus i would actually call it idiotic.

They say vaccine side effects are rare . BUT NOT AS RARE AS REINFECTIONS.

I work at a Taiwanese owned chemical plant that operates in the USA.
They are pushing employees to get vaccinated and offering gift cards ($30) to employees who get it.
They have also been hosting a vaccine site for employees, family and friends.
I have the antibodies and I am continually asked about the vaccination.
I ended up missing work from Dec. 2020 to Feb 2021 (give or take a few days) due to Covid.
The plant REQUIRES 2 negative test before you can return to work.
The Local DHEC office called and asked me to "please stop getting tested" as I was getting tested twice a week for 6 weeks.
I explained that I needed to work and my job required two consecutive negative test (I would get a negative and then a positive. This happened twice).
The nurse at DHEC said "Have you had the antibodies test?"
Me: "yes, I tested positive for them".
Nurse: "Do you have a drive up test center close by? Maybe a place where they pass you the test, you administer it and give it back? Go there. Don't push the swab as far into the nasal cavity and you should get the negative test. The antibodies are causing false positives".

We have around 1000 employees. 54% have been vaccinated (we get daily updates). The most recent infections (3) have been people who got their two shots a couple of months ago.

This is not about vaccinations. It is about control.

Note:
Our daily updates include the number of people that have had the virus (currently 144, since May 2020), how many are currently out due to covid (currently 4), State and County infections and total deaths.
They do not include information about cases amongst the vaccinatied or reassurances among the non vaccinated.

a reply to: network dude

Natural immunity removes fear

If people believed their immune system did it’s job they wouldn’t rush out to get the gene therapy.

They also wouldn’t cower in fear and destroy the world economy.

SARS COV2 may not have gone endemic if we had just faced it head on. Had covid parties in the young.

a reply to: zardust

COVID parties in the young did no good. Kids don't generally get it very easily or pass it on if they do.

Now colleges were pretty prime for it, and my cousin's oldest did a fine old job having herself a COVID party last year when she got back to school. She and her roommates hit several different parties at three different colleges on the first weekend and all of them got COVID. Funny, how they all got better within the week too absent the one girl who had a nagging cough for a few weeks.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: network dude

1.) $48 from Uncle Sam per injection.

and/or

2.) Ego driven test of power over the Sheep.

and/or

3.) The vaccines could be to protect us from a highly-classified threat from beyond Earth.

$48 is the cost of the injection. Just wait till you see what it cost of to repair the deadly damages caused by that same injection. Thats where the real money is. What it will cost to stay alive within a few years from taking that substance that you cant get out of your body. That one will come with a steep price tag, and require a commitment and a chip. Ill pass, thanks.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: sciencelol
a reply to: chr0naut

Not to mention that as numbers of the live virus increase, so does the likelihood of the emergence of new, and potentially more dangerous, strains.

Absolute lies and fearmongering.

Viruses get weaker not more dangerous. What you just said is complete garbage BULL KAKA

Your wrong!

Would you care to elaborate as to how he is wrong ?

Because Science actually says he is Right .

I bet you post on Twitter a lot , People rarely see the need to explain themselves on Twitter.

Not to mention that as numbers of the live virus increase, so does the likelihood of the emergence of new, and potentially more dangerous, strains.

a reply to: chr0naut

Wrong . 100% wrong .

Viruses seek to keep the host alive , so that it can survive this is the over all goal of a Virus " Survival " .

Viruses over time become weaker .

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: network dude
Here is a study looking into that. Guess somebody cares.

Longitudinal analysis shows durable and broad immune memory after SARS-CoV-2 infection with persisting antibody responses and memory B and T cells

Which network was talking about this? I'm glad it's being looked at. I hope we hear about how the folks who have had the vid and how they don't need the shot. Thanks for bringing it.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: chr0naut

The vaccine can reach more people, but they are now telling us that it's no good too. So what's the point again? No one has addressed that one either.

Why push a vaccine that they're now telling us is about as useful to stopping delta as a mask which is to say, not at all.

So either the vaccine is useful and they're lying, or it's not and they're lying, but one way or the other, someone is lying about something.

But they keep telling us how great the vax is. You just have to mask up too. Just in case.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: sciencelol
a reply to: chr0naut

Not to mention that as numbers of the live virus increase, so does the likelihood of the emergence of new, and potentially more dangerous, strains.

Absolute lies and fearmongering.

Viruses get weaker not more dangerous. What you just said is complete garbage BULL KAKA

Your wrong!

Would you care to elaborate as to how he is wrong ?

Because Science actually says he is Right .

I bet you post on Twitter a lot , People rarely see the need to explain themselves on Twitter.

Its called science and he's wrong. Viruses like the coronavirus can change over time as they accumulate genetic errors, or mutations. The reality is viruses can and do become more lethal a great example is historically high lethal viruses such as anthrax and plague.

In terms of virus evolution, the first sample that was studied and analyzed in depth was the rabbit myxoma virus. The virus, which was transmitted between rabbits, was first discovered in the United States. Its disease is mainly caused by benign tumors in hares.

But after the rabbit myxoma virus reached Europe, it turned into a very lethal virus.


Viruses mutate a lot the reason is to gather more resources. Yes, you are a resource Some viruses spread by being lethal they work by increasing your viral load making sure you spread the virus. Cholera is a great example of this it's lethal but it relies on people helping the person with the virus. It then infects them creating more people needing medical attention and increasing the number of people exposed.

Its truly random how a virus will mutate what is important is how quickly can it infect others. Any virus that is easily transmissible has the ability to become extremely lethal.

The problem is - is that viruses can change, and they can change really quickly. A good example of this is the 1918 flu. It started out mild then mutated in certain regions and the next thing you know the mild flu killed 100 million. If they could have prevented its spread by say a vaccine the pandemic would never have occurred.

So the historical record says he's wrong we've seen it before viruses do not follow logic they are not sentient and go well let's be less lethal so we don't kill our host. That's stupid to even suggest, to be honest. Be like me saying my jeans are sad because they are blue. You cant attribute human thoughts to objects.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: sciencelol
a reply to: chr0naut

Not to mention that as numbers of the live virus increase, so does the likelihood of the emergence of new, and potentially more dangerous, strains.

Absolute lies and fearmongering.

Viruses get weaker not more dangerous. What you just said is complete garbage BULL KAKA

Your wrong!

Would you care to elaborate as to how he is wrong ?

Because Science actually says he is Right .

I bet you post on Twitter a lot , People rarely see the need to explain themselves on Twitter.

Its called science and he's wrong. Viruses like the coronavirus can change over time as they accumulate genetic errors, or mutations. The reality is viruses can and do become more lethal a great example is historically high lethal viruses such as anthrax and plague.

In terms of virus evolution, the first sample that was studied and analyzed in depth was the rabbit myxoma virus. The virus, which was transmitted between rabbits, was first discovered in the United States. Its disease is mainly caused by benign tumors in hares.

But after the rabbit myxoma virus reached Europe, it turned into a very lethal virus.


Viruses mutate a lot the reason is to gather more resources. Yes, you are a resource Some viruses spread by being lethal they work by increasing your viral load making sure you spread the virus. Cholera is a great example of this it's lethal but it relies on people helping the person with the virus. It then infects them creating more people needing medical attention and increasing the number of people exposed.

Its truly random how a virus will mutate what is important is how quickly can it infect others. Any virus that is easily transmissible has the ability to become extremely lethal.

The problem is - is that viruses can change, and they can change really quickly. A good example of this is the 1918 flu. It started out mild then mutated in certain regions and the next thing you know the mild flu killed 100 million. If they could have prevented its spread by say a vaccine the pandemic would never have occurred.

So the historical record says he's wrong we've seen it before viruses do not follow logic they are not sentient and go well let's be less lethal so we don't kill our host. That's stupid to even suggest, to be honest. Be like me saying my jeans are sad because they are blue. You cant attribute human thoughts to objects.

Yersinia pestis is the supposed causative agent of the plague. It’s a bacteria. Not a virus.

The 1918 flu had a lot of problems surrounding it. The origins aside, the big treatment was aspirin. The surgeon general actually recommended it nationally and then the second wave of death came.

Nearly all the deaths were caused by bacterial infection.

There is no evidence the influenza virus became more deadly. Or at least it isn’t clear.

You act like they were able to run accurate tests to determine what was taking place in 1918. Doctors were still bleeding people in the US. The level of technology was incredibly low. What we have now is a pieced together narrative that is not an open and shut case.

Also to compare covid to 1918 is insane. The living conditions at the time in general and it being the end of WW1 Which had devastated the world, make the comparison really poor. That should have been a major clue for people when the comparisons were made.

a reply to: dragonridr

Mate you typed all that up and your still so wrong , you truly have no idea what your talking about do you ?

First off here is a piece of logic for you , If Viruses became deadlier over time then the human race would have been wiped out by viral infection a long long long time ago .

Secondly Vaccines are only a recent invention of medical science yet viruses are as old as our lovely planet , and yet here we stand .

It's quite simple mate , ask yourself What is the goal of a virus ?

It's goal is to replicate and spread , Much like humans in fact . But a virus cannot mutate , replicate or spread without a host in this case a human host. So every time a Virus kills it's host it also dies with the host , so over time a virus mutates so as to not kill the Human host outright .

Do you understand ?

This Viral mutation along with the ever evolving human immune system , makes for a sort of harmonious relationship . Yes the Virus makes us sick and at first kills us , but overtime it weakens and we grow in strength .

Much like the Flu , it's a Virus that lives among us and probably always will .

Take Smallpox for example , The Europeans were all but immune to it yes they got sick but would live . The Native Americans on the other hand had zero immunity to Small Pox so it all but wiped them out .

So in short , Viruses mutate to live with us and us with them .

The Corona Virus is no different , Unless someone modified it in a Lab making it more deadly but of course no one would ever do that ...right ?

Cholera is a great example of this it's lethal but it relies on people helping the person with the virus. It then infects them creating more people needing medical attention and increasing the number of people exposed.

a reply to: dragonridr

And yet you say Viruses are not Sentient .

Are you sure about that mate ?

why were ufo's disclosed as a real phenomenom DURING Covid?
and why is this practically a nothing burger?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: chr0naut

The vaccine can reach more people, but they are now telling us that it's no good too. So what's the point again? No one has addressed that one either.

Why push a vaccine that they're now telling us is about as useful to stopping delta as a mask which is to say, not at all.

So either the vaccine is useful and they're lying, or it's not and they're lying, but one way or the other, someone is lying about something.

But they keep telling us how great the vax is. You just have to mask up too. Just in case.

Exactly, if it works as they say, there's no reason to mask. Sure a few people will still get sick. It happens with every vaccine. I recall angry threads about people who got mumps in an outbreak even though they'd had the vaccine. Again, there are always some who do with any vaccine. Nature isn't pretty.

Just like no disease will wipe out every human being; no vaccine will 100% work for everyone. Or to put it another way, not every poison kills every cockroach, and not every bacterium dies from an antibiotic. It's genetic diversity and we should, as a species, be thankful for it instead of angry.

But circling back around to where I was at originally, even with a few who will still get it, vaccinated folks are not going to be prime spreaders just like bars and restaurants were not the primary problem and super infection sites like they all claimed.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
I want to know the side effects as well, but, fer instance, one poster kept posting vids from gynaecologists, or osteopaths, via infowars, or bitpoopchute showing how we are all magnetic..lol So..I dunno, what is a source that can be trusted? I don't trust any at this point. But I'm fine, as well as every single person I know..thats all I can trust.