Can you Love Everyone

a reply to: Seede

Does God want you to do what He will not do? --

God is with us every breath we take.

Rom_9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Paul actually stated (Romans 5:8) that God loves sinners. Paul said as it is written in Romans 9:13 so he wasn't comminting himself to a contradiction.

In the judgment of souls do you love others the same as you love God?

The love one must muster for everyone is Gods love. My minds love is limited.

If hell does exist then are you saying that God uses hell with love?

Absolutely

In conclusion, can love be a portion of respect?

No. That is limited love from the mind.

a reply to: glend


Ummm…yes Glend…it is possible to love everyone…and everything…

I practiced that form of compassion for many years…I cultivated the mind of bodhisattva…not because that was my practice…rather…because such is the natural progression of a meditative nature…

I did not say…contemplative…but meditative…two diametrically opposite paths…

A thing occurs when one ceases seeking…when one exists within the core of compassion…being compassion becomes the being…and wondrous things occur…powerful..wondrous things…

Then it is not merely possible…nor probable…but inevitable that one indeed loves the all…and the every…

Then…one might…as I have…desire to uplift the all and the every…into grace…


These are not easy paths to tread…indeed…they are the hardest of roads…

I hope to one day free myself once again from the grip of materialism…and be that man I once was…that bodhisattva…that light…there within the light…


Yes…Glend…it is wholly possible…and attainable…to love the all…and the every…





YouSir

a reply to: YouSir

Thank you YouSir for your inspiring post. I am glad you experienced you true nature. Its my wish that everyone could do the same. I suspect the road becomes easier as we see emptiness in more and more things. Until then the tase is enough to tempt us to try harder. Its my wish that you become the bodhisattva once more.

a reply to: glend

Paul actually stated (Romans 5:8) that God loves sinners. Paul said as it is written in Romans 9:13 so he wasn't comminting himself to a contradiction.

Your interpretation of Romans 9:13 is left unanswered. It is plainly written that God hated Esau. Is that not what it states? But you willingly accept that God Loved Jacob.

Romans 5:8 is not a clear acceptance of God's love to all sinners while they sin. Only that Jesus became flesh to introduce His new covenant to all people. It is plainly written that Jesus came to His own at the start of His ministry.

a reply to: Seede

Paul stated "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.".
So you want to refine "us" and "sinners" to "only the little sinners this world".
That presents a problem. It implies God only sent Jesus to save the little sinners this world as well.

Paul wasn't beyond using subterfuge . He said so himself in 1 Cor. 9.19-23. But he didn't really contradict himself to the nature of God. He only repeated Malachi 1:2–3 thereby shifting the onus of that truth/untruth onto Ezra.

Achieving spirituaity isn't a switch that goes on and off. Its a process that uses grace to correct our mind. The majority of us see God through opaque glass. We see nothing. High priest like Ezra perhaps see some shadows through the glass. Prophets can perhaps make out some of the images amoungs the shadows, But only a Messiah has a totally clear view. We cannot even be sure if John the Apostles statement "God is Love" is the absolute truth. But the smallest of taste's that I was teased with, suggest it is.

In our mind the thought of "God is love" might present dilemma's. How could a God that is Love create a hell or even allow the beasts of revelation to enter our world. Perhaps hell is creation, an illussion that keeps us jailed in mind. Whereas the beast is a destroyer of that illussion. Accelerating our path to spirituality. Do we really need answers to all those questions if we know God is love. I put my trust in that Love. Come what may.

a reply to: glend

Ummm...from my personal experience during both deep meditative sessions...and deep spiritual prayer...the spirit yearns for and experiences the reflection of grace...or exaltation...In essence such path pursuits are seeking perfected states...or purity...

If our experience is to be in the company of...and to exist as a perfected being in a pure state...then...such an perfected being could never contain or express the very human character flaws...exhibited by the Old testament God...

Perfection with flaw is imperfection...harmony with discord is disharmony...

Therefore...it is my contention that attributing human character flaw to perfection...is obviously defining another being...other than one I might call GOD...

This leads me to believe that ..."The God of this world"...is not that from which the all flowed...is not a perfected and pure being...is not that which one experiences the presence of when in the bosom of..."The bridal chamber"...or Kundalini...which are one and the same experiences...measured through the eyes of separate yet similar spiritual paths...

Personally...I prefer to follow after perfection...after purity...and tend to leave by the wayside the expounding of men...and flawed logic...










YouSir

a reply to: glend

Paul stated "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.". So you want to refine "us" and "sinners" to "only the little sinners this world". That presents a problem. It implies God only sent Jesus to save the little sinners this world as well.

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

You misinterpret the scriptures of Jesus. Jesus gave His covenant in blood but before He gave His blood covenant his purpose was first to His own.

a reply to: YouSir

One of the questions I have asked myself YouSir - Is creation a maze to escape or does it have a greater purpose. Mystical Judiasm suggests that the purpose of creation (Tree of knowledge of good and evil) is to experience truth within the sensations of mind and body. Only when we see emptiness in all dualities are we ready to awaken. That help explains why the Torah doesn't focus on heaven or hell..... It focuses on the journey rather than the destination. So I see the God of Abraham as a manifestation of Brahma (creator of the illussion) whereas the God of Christianity I see as a manifestation of Shiva (destroyer of the illussion). Each a facet of the other.

We can seek truth as you have done in the purity of the unmanifested. Or we can seek truth in prayer in any of the manifested Gods. Who is to say that one path is better than the other. If one see's God as love. Does a name for that God really incur any penalties.

In experiencing unity with the unmanifested/Love we witness our true self. A self that is not bound by the limitations of body and mind.

a reply to: Seede

Gods love for you Seede is fathomless. God has imparted in you he's own very image so you can embrace that love. That is why John said "Whoever does not love, does not know God, because God is love". Your mind as powerful as it may be, cannot embrace that love. Only the image within can embrace God. That image is the Son that can only know the Father.

Everything else is redundant.

a reply to: glend
'God is love'.

When love is, it is because you and other have disappeared and there is just love.

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: YouSir

Only when we see emptiness in all dualities are we ready to awaken.

We can seek truth as you have done in the purity of the unmanifested.

Ummm...your first statement above coincides with the void meditation that I practice...I call it void meditation when in reality it is a form of meditation where one meditates not on..."thinking not thinking"...but sets thought completely aside and exists in the void where the ego and mind and all of the character aspects held reign...

Your second point above illustrates the distinction and difference between how one experiences compassion beyond manifested states of consciousness...and inclusive of realism as the mind interprets it's vehicle and perceptual reality...

The unfortunate example would be that the mind and especially the ego...does not wish to relinquish it's illusory grasp on fundamental nature as it's perception...irresolute of perspective...is challenged with dissolution...even if only temporary...as one sets them completely aside...and does not offer them voice...

However...incarnate existence requires mind to interpret it's impingement on conscious behavior as it experiences realism...which in turn gives birth to ego...and all the I-isms one can choose to fill perceptual realism with...

Therein lies the inability to realize universal compassion...because the I needs to be fed...and wishes to receive more than it's willing to give...





YouSir

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Our seat of conciousness, the witness of all things, always exists. But without the bagguage of mind, it is free to live in a state of pure bliss in being. The love is empowered by will that allows light (kundalini energy) to enter our being. In my case I used meditation, existing in a vold of emptiness for hours on end. But prayer, devotion, disolving minds dualities etc all empowers the same processes. The light eventually corrects the mind so its concept of "seperation" also begins to fade. Allowing, if I am not mistaken, what YouSir described as ... wondrous things to occur.

A taste of what is, does not make one awakened. It only means we have only stirred from a deep slumber for only a moment. Before falling back asleep again. Whilst we have any desires for the creation we will continue to sleep. Dreaming of ice-cream and doughnuts.

a reply to: YouSir

Yes it does appear we used the same meditation. I call my witness "the watcher" spending hours witnessing the void of emptiness without thought. I will reply to you again tommow. I have to go bed... 1 am here.

a reply to: glend

Gods love for you Seede is fathomless. God has imparted in you he's own very image so you can embrace that love. That is why John said "Whoever does not love, does not know God, because God is love". Your mind as powerful as it may be, cannot embrace that love. Only the image within can embrace God. That image is the Son that can only know the Father. Everything else is redundant.

Love is not questionable in the teachings of the Christ Jesus. With foreknowledge God loved the world before it was formed and His firstborn was brought forth. No one of this creation can be in the perfect will of God without entering the gate of the Christ Jesus. You can meditate till you die and accomplish your understanding of love but you will not enter the kingdom of heaven with out the permissive will of of Jesus. You cannot enter the kingdom of heaven and love this world. You can not share the glory of Jesus with other doctrines of men and you cannot love everyone that has or will ever exist.

a reply to: glend
The light is here and now and it is exactly where and when you are.

There's no division....nothing other than this radiant presence exists.

a reply to: YouSir

However...incarnate existence requires mind to interpret it's impingement on conscious behavior as it experiences realism...which in turn gives birth to ego...and all the I-isms one can choose to fill perceptual realism with...

Therein lies the inability to realize universal compassion...because the I needs to be fed...and wishes to receive more than it's willing to give...

Yes agree with your premise. But there is a wonderful statement in Christianity written by Matthew that I believe to be true... "The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light." One eye is our seat of conciousness, the other eye is mind. The light/kundilini that enters our vessel also corrects the mind so both eyes become one. So I believe the light/kundilini becomes a poweful allie in overcoming ego. Unfortuantely, in my case, I had to leave my cave like existance to return to work after many months of meditation. The noisier environment made it too difficult to maintian the status-quo.

I am interested in the technique you use. Do you have any sensation of breath in that state (I have send my body into deep sleep)? Also did you ever sense that some people were totally innert like zombies. It confused me as to why it was the case.

Thank you YouSir for sharing your wisdom.

a reply to: Seede

I appreciate your concern Seede but I have no misconceptions that I will be allowed through the pearly gates. But that doesn't mean that I don't want to help others achieve which I cannot.

I do not share this to scare you but Buddhist use shamanist to contact powerful entities in the worlds between worlds. They see a great many christians trapped in that void who were under the false pretense they were entitled to heaven. That is the only reason I interfere with christians belief's. Many see Jesus as a man-god promising them salvation. They don't realize that Jesus represented himself as the Son of Man. The Son is our soul made in the image of the Father. So you need image Jesus Christ as your soul and ride the souls love into heaven. Anything short of that and Jesus will say, I knew you not (Matthew 7:21-23). If you realize the serpent in Genesis is our ego-mind, the evil-doer. You will appreciate why the gospels had to conceal that truth. The serpent does not accept its own mortaility. It would instantly reject christianity if Christianity rejected the serpent. So Christianity promises everything to the serpent hoping a few will see the truth amoung the lie's.

You can love everyone, but you shouldn't be vulnerable to everyone.

There's some serious psychos out there, and some may be closer than you think.

Firstly, I'd think, try and do no harm to anyone.
Even if you are very angry.
You have the right to passively move away from toxic people though (thinking generally, not anyone here).
Let Karma sort out the rest.

I like the idea of being a "gray rock" in some social settings.

You see people with Narcissistic-type personality disorders will try anything to provoke you.
So, they'll cut you off, but then loudly turn it all around and say you're the nasty one not speaking to them.
Their mind-games put you in a bind.
It's very abusive and tiring.

So when I pray at night, do I include them in my prayers?

Not really, I carefully pray around them.
I pray for their misguided enablers.
May the Lord set them free.

Let's be honest, having a "prayer list" also implies having a "not the prayer list".