Illinois Becomes the First State to Block Cops From Lying to Kids

This week, Illinois became the first state in the nation to make it illegal for police officers to lie to children during interrogations... The bill would block police officers from making up evidence to entice a confession when interviewing minors, or from providing them false promises about leniency.

The new law was signed this week by the governor of Illinois and had nearly unanimous support in the legislature. Allegedly, nearly one-third of those exonerated in the state of Illinois over the past 30 years have been due to false confessions.

This is a good thing, right?... Well, before you go thinking this state has done something right for a change, remember this is Illinois, the home of 6 governors charged with crimes, 4 of which have been convicted. There are more holes in this new law than a slice of Swiss cheese.

The law does not require punishments for interrogating police officers who lie to children.
...it also doesn’t cover cases where police deceive minors outside the interrogation room.

And of course, adults get no such protection. This is yet another near useless law that will do little to protect minors from cops looking to solve cases without having to do the detective work. SMH.
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a reply to: Klassified

Now... if only we can stop the FBI From Lying to Militia people.

Remember back in October 8, 2020, the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) announced the arrests of 13 men suspected of orchestrating a domestic terror plot to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer

The FBI used 12 Informants In The Michigan Kidnapping Case.

That probably means, they "persuaded” 1 person to commit a crime...

Illinois's priorities are all ass-backwards.

Illinois police are "on the take" from drug dealers and gang-bangers. That's why 70% of the shootings go "unsolved", despite being caught on one of the 10,000 cameras around the city.

As a parent trying to give your kids a moral compass, and then have those lessons destroyed by lying police teaches those kids the wrong lesson. Good law

The Wire, the greatest TV show ever made highlights the cops lying to kids. I guess the state of IL means in situations like this...

You have to watch it. Hilarious. Backstory, cops investigating a shooting. They have two teenage suspects. They kind of stretch to truth to figure out who did what...

It should be illegal for anyone that receives taxpayer money to lie to anyone. Period. Wether it be cops, representatives, teachers; even those in the “private sector”, any business, charity, ngo. Literally anyone that gets the smallest amount of public funds should not be able to deceive in any fashion.

a reply to: Edumakated
Everybody should know about the prisoner's dilemma.prisoner's dilemma

Two members of a criminal organization are arrested and imprisoned. Each prisoner is in solitary confinement with no means of communicating with the other. The prosecutors lack sufficient evidence to convict the pair on the principal charge, but they have enough to convict both on a lesser charge. Simultaneously, the prosecutors offer each prisoner a bargain. Each prisoner is given the opportunity either to betray the other by testifying that the other committed the crime, or to cooperate with the other by remaining silent. The possible outcomes are:

If A and B each betray the other, each of them serves two years in prison
If A betrays B but B remains silent, A will be set free and B will serve three years in prison
If A remains silent but B betrays A, A will serve three years in prison and B will be set free
If A and B both remain silent, both of them will serve only one year in prison (on the lesser charge).

a reply to: Edumakated

Best TV series ever.

Other than showing ID, You Are Not legally bound to talk to cops.
If you are arrested KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.
The only 4 words you should ever say to them is : "I want a lawyer"

www.findlaw.com...

What Are Your Miranda Rights?
The Miranda warning outlines the following rights:

You have the right to remain silent
Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law
You have the right to an attorney
If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you
This means you can choose not to answer an officer’s questions and may request an attorney.

Keep this part in mind. Just because they don't read them to you before the "official" interrogation begins they are still questioning you to try and catch you out on something.

Police do not always need to warn you about your rights during the arrest or while you are waiting at the jail. Simply being arrested or detained by police (in custody) does not mean you will hear the Miranda warning. You will hear it before the interrogation starts. If you don’t, law enforcement may have to throw out anything said in the interrogation.

In any case, it is advisable to stay silent to avoid saying anything that might make you look guilty whether you hear the warning or not. (Note that you may need to provide identification and answer basic questions.)

Once again, Keep Your Mouth Shut other than to ask for a lawyer.

a reply to: Klassified

WaitWHAT?

You mean that it cops are allowed to lie to children, I thought that was made up for TV shows.

How are cases where a cop lied not instantly thrown out of court?

Yeah, the police isn't your friend in that situation, guilty or not.

It's their job to bring up evidence to convict you once they home in on you with some evidence, not to be your friends.

Also god cop / bad cop is a thing as well as making up information they of course only tell you when the recorder is off.

Like using the prisoner's dilemma on you without even having a second prisoner.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

You mean that it cops are allowed to lie to children, I thought that was made up for TV shows.

How are cases where a cop lied not instantly thrown out of court?

They use scare tactics to get people/kids to confess to crimes they didn't do.

"We know you did this, and we can prove it. You're going to jail for a very long time..... Unless you go ahead right now and admit to us that you were only involved in part2, but had nothing to do with part1, then you won't have to serve very much jail time."

The problem is that most kids don't think a cop ever would lie to them.

This law is a good thing, or at least it's a good start anyways. Their manipulative tactics are bullshyt. Many people have been convicted because of cops tricking kids into falsely admitting they saw something that they never actually saw. Then a few years later, after that kid gets a little older and confesses that they had lied in their testimony, well too bad, that's not enough to overturn the previous conviction.

a reply to: BrokenCircles

It really should be common sense and practice that this is just wrong on so many levels to lie to kids, especially as LEO or similar functions.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

It's even worse when they do it over an extended period of time. It's not just one quick lie, but over the course of a few hours (or more) where they keep repeating various different versions of the same lie(s).