No Vaccine for Vegans

a reply to: Terpene

White sugar is usually not vegan because it is processed with bone char. Bread you buy at the store is usually not vegan because it is made with an amino acid from human hair or bird feathers. So many things contain animal by-products or are processed using animal products it would blow your mind. I get your point and I have often found vegans to be somewhat hypocritical.

a reply to: Rob808

Caring about lesser intelligent life? How elitist of you!

a reply to: Terpene

Your arguments are kind of wierd. Most people who aren't trained won't survive a garsh climate without society's help. If one becomes vegan purely out of a selfish intention, does it mattter? They are still reducing their impact on animal suffering.

And the same goes for anything else. Deciding to eat ethically raised meat isn't going to stop factory farming. But if everyone thought that way, then nothing will change.

Should we do nothing because we can't be perfect? One can only try to contribute to a better planet. Not everyone can make their own food, be self-reliant, or avoid all unethical companies.

a reply to: Chalcedony

Very interesting on the white sugar! Sometimes ill go off a vegan diet to eat eggs. Try to get local ethical ones if possible. Expecting perfection is a bit silly. If a vegan is acting high and mighty then call them out on their leather shoes. But the majority of people are just doing what they can

It’s off putting considering you’ve decided what others do and don’t care about.

originally posted by: CptGreenTea
a reply to: Rob808

Caring about lesser intelligent life? How elitist of you!

The way I'm observing the divisions within societies and especially the state of being many of the left align too. They operate from more of a hive mindset and busy themselves with concerns about the collective more so than they value individual freedoms. They identify in odd ways sometimes seeing themselves only as their body and with all those fears of a temporary body terrified of death and on the other end of the spectrum a full on psychedelic circus of any flavor they can think of.

From what I understand, within the greater community of life outside this planet, there are certain civilizations that evolve as a group collective with the goal of making everyone's growth as a soul, an equal process where everyone is on the same page. Its a very slow process of evolution and quite boring from my perspective.

Anyways it certainly feels like their is this herd like behavior in much of the left. They are also very much into the feminization of masculine energy as a way to shift their collective into a female dominated collective.
Beware of these transBorg type.

originally posted by: Terpene
I get most of their arguments as to why an excessive meat diet isn't sustainable, or if they have some guilt feelings, for killing or abusing living things.

But

For years, they have been annoying me, with the most absurd things.
Cant have a feather pillow... better get some synthetic petrol based one
can't wear leather shoes, better get some synthetic petrol based one
can't use this face cream because it is tested on animals
can't use honey, better use sugar.
Stop doing what you do and start saving the world.

fFs how is a petrol based alternative any more vegan than a leather shoe? Do they forget the wars that are waged globally over petrol, thousands of people lose their lives?
How can they champion sugar over honey, when the health issues with sugar are so blatantly obvious.

Now they want to get the vaccine that has been tested on animals, what a bunch of hypocrites. They just move the goalpost to stay comfortable while still feeling like morally superior.
In reality is just a fashion accessory, tailored to the rebellious teenagers feeding a script by which they can rebel and get all worked up with their untamed emotions, without knowing whose deeds they are doing.

Just yesterday I was sitting on the lakeside overhearing, a convo between some youngsters on veganism.
There was this young chap trying to point out some inconsistencies, and he just gets shut up in a very nasty way. I could see in his face that he was doubting himself, as the whole group turned against him. He was emotionally engaged in the convo until the peer pressure was too much, he just shut down and went dull. I just couldn't believe how smooth the social engineering is unfolding, and found it unbelievably unfair what they just did, without realizing.

When I was about to leave I went over and told him that he was in the right, which instantly brought back that spark in his eyes. The whole, group got all excited, feeling as if I was attacking them, slinging mud, but I just gave him a wink with an eye and left...

I feel like I did a good deed that day

I was for 18 years and I hate myself for it now although eventually I had to face the fact that being vegan actually kills many more animals than being a meat eater does. It takes a while to get passed thinking about the direct result of this animal was killed for me to eat it which seems more disturbing but eventually reality won out and I know it's better in the long run to eat meat and save many more animals.

EDIT: Oh duh...my point being it had nothing to do with converting others or making a statement...it was solely because I love animals far more than I love people, connect with them better and more often, etc.

a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

the fact that being vegan actually kills many more animals than being a meat eater does.

Never heard that one, care to elaborate?

It’s takes a lot of small organisms to make up the bio mass of a larger one.

Did you know plants “scream” when cut? No morality for plants, plant lives matter too!

originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

the fact that being vegan actually kills many more animals than being a meat eater does.

Never heard that one, care to elaborate?

I'm vegetarian for 25 years. I think veganism is more of a mental condition than a moral imperative. In that, I accept less-than-perfect accomodation of my wishes in a less-than-perfect world.

a reply to: CptGreenTea

How many vegans do you know that this annoys you? At least they're trying to make the world a better place. They can't be perfect, but no one can reach absolute perfection on buying 100% guilt free products. Unless you're amish.

Are you kidding me? Amish have enslaved and tortured many animals, making them work hard without pay, imprisoning them however they want, stealing their milk and produce, etc. How is that guilt-free, unless the amish are some kind of psychos?

I agree with your point otherwise; it's EXTREMELY hard to be 'ethical' in this world, where every single corporation, grocery store and place to buy stuff OOZES unethical and cruelty-based products. Ethical products are more expensive, harder to find and get, etc.

Recently I found 'vege nuggets', had never seen them before. Someone else has 'wished' them to be in the store. So I bought them, and although the last time I ate any kind of nuggets must've been around 26 years ago, they were actually surprisingly good! In fact, so delicious, I am going to buy them again.

These days, non-vegan products are not really needed or necessary anyway - almost everything has a 'vegan equivalent'. It's debatable if it's "as good", but we have to remember that everything requires getting used to, even the 'delicious flesh of innocent animals that were murdered cruelly and painfully for it'.

If you offer the flesh-'food' you think is the most delicious, to a newborn or a young toddler, they'd be horrified of its smell and taste, and would not like it. It takes getting used to.

So it is with vegan food as well. At first, you might think it has either no taste, bad taste or 'wrong taste' (how nitpicky!), but when you get used to it, it switches around; suddenly the 'previously-so-delicious' muscles-in-a-sauce smells so repulsive you couldn't fathom how you were once able to eat it at all. And the vegan version is now delicious.

It's because you gave yourself time to get used to it, but people have no patience in this world, hence dogs and kids rule the world because the kid or dog didn't obey in 1 second and that's all the time you gave them.. instead of patiently rehabilitating them until they slowly learn what's right and wrong and what you want of them, and eventually it becomes a routine (watch Supernanny and Dog Whisperer/Cesar 911 if you don't know what I am talking about).

It's weird how the evil people that do ALL kinds of evil from destroying their own body with alcohol to polluting other people's air with cigarettes and cars, in addition to eating poor, innocent animals' bloody, tortured flesh that does nothing but poison their already unhealthy body further, demand PERFECTION of vegans and vegetarians. It's like if you can't be 100% perfect, you might as well be 100% evil.

There IS a middle ground, you know, sheesh.

Just because you can't be 100% perfect, doesn't mean you HAVE to indulge in every evil habit.

This is the kind of logic they can't understand, and their logic I just can't get, either. Why don't they at least see that ANY effort towards good is valuable and should be encouraged? Why can't they at least support or do SOME kind of good, why does it have to be 100% perfection of levitating with angel choirs or 100% demonic rampage crime spree with 12 murders and drugs?

(To exaggerate slightly)

Someone that eats eggs and cheese, but uses oat milk instad of 500kg animal's breast secretion in their müsli, is not a hypocrite, they're just trying to at least eliminate ONE evil thing from their life. Why is this so hard for many to understand?

It's like.. any exercize is good, any effort to be good is also good. It's not a 100% or nothing-situation.

If it was easier, I would be vegan for the rest of this incarnation. But it is still pretty cumbersome, difficult, impractical and expensive, so I am trying 'the best that I can' and commend myself for my efforts rather than feel guilty for 'succumbing to something'. I eat a LOT of 'vegan products', like those delicious 'slices' (don't know what to call them in english) on my bread, the oat milk I mentioned, and sometimes even smoked Toofu. (This japanese word has a 'long wovel' actually, so don't give me hard time for writing it this way)

I am always eager to try out those 'vegeballs', vegenuggets and so on and so forth. I think it's exciting they're bringing out new stuff like that, and I want to support it - and it's always delicious, surprisingly so!

However, those things can tend to be a bit on the expensive side, so I can't indulge too much, sadly. It's so SO sad that this world supports flesh-eaters and all that cow torture product stuff so much that the ethical stuff is more expensive. How WARPED is a world, where 'non-torture' stuff is _MORE_ expensive!!

I do my best to minimize my damage and torture support, but as it's everywhere, and somtimes it's just the only choice, you can't really help it. In a better world, let's say where things were 50-50 equal and cruel torture-and-murder-supporters didn't dominate the food and clothing market, I would be 100% vegan for life.

This world makes it really difficult and expensive to be a good human being, and sometimes it's just not possible, pragmatically thinking. But hey, at least you can try to do SOME kind of good, like I don't eat animals, for example. That's a big step towards a better, more human world.

When we can start seeing ALL animals worth protecting, not just the carnivore pets that we feed other animals to (which is sort of cannibalistic in a way, if you think about it, even though it's usually not the same species, it's like feeding humans to dogs), we can begin a better world. Not before.

a reply to: CptGreenTea

Deciding to eat ethically raised meat isn't going to stop factory farming

This is such an oxymoron.. there's no such thing as 'ethically raised meat'. If you think the animal as MEAT, there are no ethics involved.

There's also no such thing as 'ethical murder' - that animal is still murdered against its will or at least without caring about its consent, so if its life is better, it's of course LESS cruel and LESS wrong, but it's still WRONG IN A MAJOR WAY. DO NOT MURDER ANIMALS!!

a reply to: Shoujikina

There are evil vegans and good meat eaters...

There IS a middle ground, you know, sheesh.

Just because you can't be 100% perfect, doesn't mean you HAVE to indulge in every evil habit.

I guess it has something to do with how one screams into the woods...

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Global Warming due to elevated CO2 levels wasn’t a problem until veganism took hold. Maybe if they cooled their jets on eating plants they would convert it to O2.

And how can you be a vegan and use petroleum products from all those dinosaurs (as peak oil would have you believe when actually it is just hydrocarbons and probably more plant based than dino based despite the misnomer “fossil fuels”)?

And as every vegan will tell you...even Hitler was just a vegetarian.