A dwarf planet coming within 11 AU of the sun over the next 10 years

a reply to: beyondknowledge

Thsnk you for clarifying that. Astronomy and the movements of planets and interstellar objects is not my specialty. The orbit did sound a tad strange to me though.b

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: baddmove
I'm changing the name of it to.....

Nib-u-ru

It's a dwarf planet.
Not a dwarf star.

You might be thinking of Nemesis. Nemesis is the hypothetical brown dwarf. Nibiru is the mythical planet.

And this seems more like a comet or asteroid. It is smaller than Vesta, which is classified as an asteroid. The eccentric orbit, though, is like a comet.

Nope.
Per Sitchin's translation , it was a complete star system .
Nemisis was a planet supposedly outside the solar system

originally posted by: subfab

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: dug88

is it too soon to call it planet X ?

They don't name dwarf planets planets anymore after what's his name took away Pluto's status.
(Yes , I know the name)

pluto is still a planet to me.
i'll never forget

NEVER FORGET the 9th planet Pluto.

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: subfab

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: dug88

is it too soon to call it planet X ?

They don't name dwarf planets planets anymore after what's his name took away Pluto's status.
(Yes , I know the name)

pluto is still a planet to me.
i'll never forget

NEVER FORGET the 9th planet Pluto.

Well the demotion occurred because we realized there are several things in the Kuiper belt we have found one even with its own moon. Eris is a lot further away than Pluto and has a moon named Dysnomia.

solarsystem.nasa.gov...


The strangest is probably Arrokoth it looks like a snow man

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: subfab

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: subfab
a reply to: dug88

is it too soon to call it planet X ?

They don't name dwarf planets planets anymore after what's his name took away Pluto's status.
(Yes , I know the name)

pluto is still a planet to me.
i'll never forget

NEVER FORGET the 9th planet Pluto.

Well the demotion occurred because we realized there are several things in the Kuiper belt we have found one even with its own moon. Eris is a lot further away than Pluto and has a moon named Dysnomia.

solarsystem.nasa.gov...


The strangest is probably Arrokoth it looks like a snow man

I know.
And have known.
But , no star system.

a reply to: rickymouse

No fence hopping for my old arse, only crop fields close by, even still made sure to find the farmer and have a chat.

originally posted by: new_here
a reply to: dug88

Is there any chance, any chance at all it will tweak the orbits of either Uranus or Saturn? What ramifications, if any, would that have for the Solar System at large?

Saturn would eat it alive an d not even twitch .

a reply to: dug88

I have been posting about this planet since around 2004, and there is another sun, a brown dwarf, out there in the outskirts of the Solar System in the Oort Cloud.

Here is one of my threads with a lot more info on this.

Scientific Research on Solar System Brown Dwarf and Planet X.

BTW, ironically back in 1983 the Washington Post had an article about it.

1983 Washington Post Article About Planet 9(X) at 50 Billion Miles from Sun.

And there is even an encyclopedia, the 1987 New Science and Invention encyclopedia, that had a diagram showing a tenth planet of the Solar System. it also showed a "death star."





1987 New Science and Invention Encyclopedia Truth or Hoax?

The old link in my old thread is gone. But here is another one.

Link

BTW, I will make 2 predictions about this planet. First, it is red, even redder than Mars. That's what the ancients said about it. Second, it doesn't have to come anywhere close to Earth. As it comes towards the inner Solar System it brings with it meteors and comets, and that's the problem. If we are lucky we won't get hit by any of the meteors or comets that will be thrown towards the inner Solar System.

originally posted by: Gothmog

Saturn would eat it alive an d not even twitch .

Really?... Even if it is as big, or close enough as Jupiter itself?...

In order for this planet to be able to have such elongated orbits it has to be bigger than most planets in the Solar System, rivaling Jupiter itself in size. If it was smaller it would have been trapped in the inner Solar System a long time ago.

originally posted by: new_here
a reply to: dug88

Is there any chance, any chance at all it will tweak the orbits of either Uranus or Saturn? What ramifications, if any, would that have for the Solar System at large?

I'd be more worried that it could tweak a few of the asteroids in the belt out past Mars.

originally posted by: Gothmog

It's a dwarf planet.
Not a dwarf star.

Nibiru is supposed to be a planet, not a brown dwarf. BTW, i do see now in the article they do mention it is extremely red. Like the ancients depicted this planet is. Native Americans call it Red Kachina. It is a sign of ill portent for them and once it is seen by all it would be a time of tribulation. in the bible it is called Wormwood.

There are depictions in caves, including in a small island in Cuba, showing a red cross amid diagrams of what look like the Solar System but with more planets. What I have uncovered in my research is that when it is seen we will see a red cross in the sky.

They claim in the article it is a minor planet. But if all the research I have done is true, it's actually much bigger. It is believed by many astronomers to be from the size of the Earth to as big as Jupiter itself. Most think it is bigger than Earth, but not as big as Jupiter. We'll see.

Here is a diagram of the path that they think it would take.



newatlas.com...

Amazing... Just a few years ago most ATS members claimed this was not true and there was no other planet in the Solar System. Less ATS members thought that it could come so close to the inner Solar System. But here we are...

a reply to: subfab

Forever, and always, a planet!!!

BTW, ironically, or not, within this time frame (a few decades off) the Solar System is going to be completely within the new zone of the Local Fluff. Earth has been for the past around 15,000 years in a stable zone of the Local Fluff with temperatures around 5,000 kelvin in outer space. This new region we are moving into, and have been moving into, is well over a million degrees kelvin.

Another fact that tells me this planet is so much bigger is this article I posted in 2017.

New study claims mysterious Planet Nine exists & is altering the orbits of objects beyond Neptune.

IMO the fact that both this planet and this zone are coming almost at the same time tells me the planet is much, much bigger than they anticipate according to that article. Because this new zone is so much dense, than the one we have been in for about 15,000 years or so, it would skew any measurements of the planet. But we'll know whom is right.

Date:
May 24, 2010
Source:
Space Research Centre, Polish Academy of Sciences
Summary:
Is the Sun going to enter a million-degree galactic cloud of interstellar gas soon? A U.S.-Polish team of scientists suggests that the ribbon of enhanced emissions of energetic neutral atoms, discovered last year by the NASA Small Explorer satellite IBEX, could be explained by a geometric effect due to the approach of the Sun to the boundary between the Local Cloud of interstellar gas and another cloud of a very hot gas called the Local Bubble. If this hypothesis is correct, IBEX is catching matter from a hot neighboring interstellar cloud, which the Sun might enter in a hundred years.

Ribbon at edge of our solar system: Will the Sun enter a million-degree cloud of interstellar gas?

Yes the difference between these events is about 80 years, but when it comes to the Solar System these two events are very close together.

A dwarf planet would not be capable of altering the orbits of objects beyond Neptune. At least not enough for us to notice. Otherwise Pluto would be doing the same thing.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Gothmog

Saturn would eat it alive an d not even twitch .

Really?... Even if it is as big, or close enough as Jupiter itself?...

In order for this planet to be able to have such elongated orbits it has to be bigger than most planets in the Solar System, rivaling Jupiter itself in size. If it was smaller it would have been trapped in the inner Solar System a long time ago.

You didn't read the article , did you ?
Refer to size

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Due to its inclination it wont be throwing anything into the inner solar system. So i wouldnt worry in the least As for color its a kieper belt object so it will look more like ice then red. And the closwst brown dwarf is 6.5 light years away. Weve learned alot since the 80s your ignoring 40 years of observations.

www.nasa.gov...

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Another fact that tells me this planet is so much bigger is this article I posted in 2017.

New study claims mysterious Planet Nine exists & is altering the orbits of objects beyond Neptune.

I'm confused. Are you saying the object mentioned by the OP is actually Planet Nine -- i.e., the same Planet Nine that CalTech's Mike Brown and Konstatin Batygin have calculated to exist because of the eccentric orbits of several other Kuiper Belt objects?

What evidence do you have that these are the same objects? Planet Nine's hypothesized general orbit has been calculated and it is nothing like the orbit of the object in the OP.

...Unless I'm misunderstanding your position.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Due to its inclination it wont be throwing anything into the inner solar system. So i wouldnt worry in the least As for color its a kieper belt object so it will look more like ice then red. And the closwst brown dwarf is 6.5 light years away. Weve learned alot since the 80s your ignoring 40 years of observations.

www.nasa.gov...

Wrong. You are the one ignoring actual astronomers stating that a much bigger object is out there in the Oort cloud. You obviously didn't read some of my last responses and excerpts from one of my main threads about this topic...

For example, this is from 2015...and not from the 1980s...

...
Aims.
Serendipitous searches for Sedna-like objects allows the observation of regions that are normally not surveyed.

Methods.
The Atacama Large Millimeter/submillimeter Array (ALMA) is particularly sensitive to point sources and it presents currently the only means to detect Sedna-like objects far beyond their perihelia.

Results.
ALMA observations 10 months apart revealed a new blackbody point source that is apparently comoving with (Alpha)Cen AB.

Conclusions.

We exclude that source to be a sub-/stellar member of the (alpha) Cen system, but argue that it is either an extreme TNO, a Super-Earth or a very cool brown dwarf in the outer realm of the solar system.
...

arxiv.org...

This one from 2014 argues that something huge must be keeping these objects in the far reaches of our solar system in place, and it can't be the sun.

Astrophysics > Earth and Planetary Astrophysics

Flipping minor bodies: what comet 96P/Machholz 1 can tell us about the orbital evolution of extreme trans-Neptunian objects and the production of near-Earth objects on retrograde orbits

C. de la Fuente Marcos, R. de la Fuente Marcos, S. J. Aarseth

(Submitted on 23 Oct 2014 (v1), last revised 6 Nov 2014 (this version, v3))

Nearly all known extreme trans-Neptunian objects (ETNOs) have argument of perihelion close to 0 degrees. An existing observational bias strongly favours the detection of ETNOs with arguments of perihelion close to 0 degrees and 180 degrees yet no objects have been found at 180 degrees. No plausible explanation has been offered so far to account for this unusual pattern. Here, we study the dynamical evolution of comet 96P/Machholz 1, a bizarre near-Earth object (NEO) that may provide the key to explain the puzzling clustering of orbits around argument of perihelion close to 0 degrees recently found for the population of ETNOs. Comet 96P/Machholz 1 is currently locked in a Kozai resonance with Jupiter such that the value of its argument of perihelion is always close to 0 degrees at its shortest possible perihelion (highest eccentricity and lowest inclination) and about 180 degrees near its shortest aphelion (longest perihelion distance, lowest eccentricity and highest inclination). If this object is a dynamical analogue (albeit limited) of the known ETNOs, this implies that massive perturbers must keep them confined in orbital parameter space. Besides, its future dynamical evolution displays orbital flips when its eccentricity is excited to a high value and its orbit turns over by nearly 180 degrees, rolling over its major axis. This unusual behaviour, that is preserved when post-Newtonian terms are included in the numerical integrations, may also help understand the production of NEOs on retrograde orbits.

arxiv.org...


Also from 2014.

Extreme trans-Neptunian objects and the Kozai mechanism:
signalling the presence of trans-Plutonian planets
C. de la Fuente Marcos⋆ and R. de la Fuente Marcos
Universidad Complutense de Madrid, Ciudad Universitaria, E-28040 Madrid, Spain
Accepted 2014 June 3. Received 2014 June 3; in original form 2014 April 23
ABSTRACT

The existence of an outer planet beyond Pluto has been a matter of debate for decades and the
recent discovery of 2012 VP113 has just revived the interest for this controversial topic. This Sedna-like object has the most distant perihelion of any known minor planet and the value of its argument of perihelion is close to 0◦. This property appears to be shared by almost all known asteroids with semimajor axis greater than 150 au and perihelion greater than 30 au (the extreme trans-Neptunian objects or ETNOs), and this fact has been interpreted as evidence for the existence of a super-Earth at 250 au. In this scenario, a population of stable asteroids may be shepherded by a distant, undiscovered planet larger than the Earth that keeps the value of their argument of perihelion librating around 0◦as a result of the Kozai mechanism. Here, we study the visibility of these ETNOs and confirm that the observed excess of objects reaching perihelion near the ascending node cannot be explained in terms of any observational biases.
This excess must be a true feature of this population and its possible origin is explored in the framework of the Kozai effect. The analysis of several possible scenarios strongly suggest that at least two trans-Plutonian planets must exist.

Key words: celestialmechanics – minor planets, asteroids: general – minor planets, asteroids:
individual: 2012 VP113 – planets and satellites: individual: Neptune.

arxiv.org...

From 2011, here is an astronomer arguing the possibility of a 4m_Jupiter sized planet at about 3500 - 4500 au, and the possibility of smaller planets 0.7m_Earth at about 250 - 450 au, and m_Mars planet at about 150 - 200 au. Of course he also argues that a planet the size of 0.7 mass of the Earth, smaller than Earth, could be found within 250 - 450 au.

Notice that the 4m_Jupiter size planet can be 4 times the mass of Jupiter and can be between 3500-4500 au.

Here is another paper by the same astronomer stating the possibility of a brown dwarf in the Solar System being at about 4kau, or 4,000 au.

The perihelion precession of Saturn, planet X/Nemesis and MOND

Something large at the edge of the Solar System has to be keeping these trans-Neptunian objects within the Solar System, instead of continuing to orbit away from the Solar System. Just a regular sized planet would not be enough to keep so many objects out there. They all also share the same inclination, which points to some huge object being the culprit keeping these trans-Neptunian objects in their orbits at the edge of the Solar System.

originally posted by: Gothmog

You didn't read the article , did you ?
Refer to size

You didn't read my responses did you?... Refer to those...

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

My argument is with respect to very old arguments that no planet could have such huge orbits and that we have found them all. This proves we haven't and we still have much to learn. As for the size of this object? It is a "theory" that it is a dwarf sized object...

About 12 years ago astronomers were still speculating that the dense interstellar cloud, with over a million degree kelvin temperatures, that the Solar System could encounter was still about 10,000-50,000 years away from the Solar System. But in 2010 astronomers found that the dense interstellar cloud is much, much closer and we could be well within it in the next 80 years.

My argument is that we won't know for certain the size of this object until it is much closer.

I imagine that a lot of the objects out that far are only tentatively in "orbit," since the pull of gravity is so weak compared to any kind of tangential acceleration they might have. Read somewhere the other day that there might be way more rogue planets wandering around in the dark than we realize.

Either way, by the time it slams into Earth killing everything, we'll all likely be long dead.