Verdict GUILTY

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: LSU2018

Clearly the prosecutor did prove that Chauvin sought to cause harm considering he was found guilty. Once again, Chauvin continued to have his knee on Floyd's neck for several minutes after Floyd lost consciousness. I feel like to any reasonable person that can be interpreted as intending to cause harm.

No kidding, there is a large # of people here who apparently are unable to make that interpretation..go figure.

They want to believe that the verdict was some how wrong without bothering to look at the case the prosecution made. It doesnt fit their narrative that he was rail roaded because he was white. Funny race seems to effect both sides of the argument. Look here is an alternate jurror she sat through the trial and said she would have voted guilty as well. Hate to say it but he was a dirty cop and his actions effected every police officer. Reality is less then 20 unarmed blacks die by police a year its very rare. But there are racist police officers it does happen.

Any way heres the juror.

a reply to: dragonridr

Hate to say it but he was a dirty cop and his actions effected every police officer.

Exactly, and this time you had, I dunno, 8-10 cops testify against..that's fairly rare I think..and telling.

a reply to: NorEaster

Chauvin was convicted by a jury of his peers, and if your partisan urgings require that you reject that verdict, then that's your own hell to navigate. It's too bad that recent tribalism pressures have sentenced so many Americans to angry, depressing prison hells that they would've otherwise avoided had the last several years played out differently.

Best post in the thread. My salutations.

a reply to: projectvxn

What's the evidence other than Chauvin being white and Floyd being black?

Have you ever seen an ostrich with its head buried in a pile of hollowpoint ammunition, like Tony Montana but with a different drug?

originally posted by: EvilAxis

I'm curious Xtrozero, can you point to a case where a police officer did, in your mind, commit second-degree murder? Or does that never happen, in your mind?

You quoted my question, Xtrozero, but didn’t answer it.

Of course it can happen... If a cop was committing a felony and then killed someone in the act of committing a felony as to where the reason the felony was not directly to kill someone then it is 2nd.

I have said a number of times the reason for a 2nd is as example someone robs a liquor store and kills someone in the process then they should be put up on 2nd degree.

WTF are you trying to convince me of...lol In the end what happens to him really doesn't effect me in the least. With that said even the alt juror "felt" he was guilty from day one... I wonder why. Floyd was a piece of crap who made about a dozen of WTH mistakes that led to him being on the ground and have Chauvin screw up in securing him...

It was bad all around and a person died, but point to one thing in that whole exchanged that was racist in nature. Convince me that Chauvin wasn't convicted before the trial started...Even the alt juror had him convicted on day one.

Lets honor Floyd as Pelosi said...lol geez give me a break. How many Blacks were murdered during the length of the trial. how many were kids, how many do you know their name?

a reply to: Xtrozero

With that said even the alt juror "felt" he was guilty from day one

Source?

... I wonder why.

She explained her position quite thoughtfully, I thought.

originally posted by: prometheus2033
a reply to: UKTruth

you all really can't hide your hate and disdain for us can you, especially in the comfort of anonymous forums and comment sections... I guess you're pissy that Medgar Evers, MLK and others that died fighting for basic human rights got a street or school named after em huh... Lmao boy what a time to be alive. But don't worry.... You know, The chickens and all ...

My point stands...

Your point was shredded.
Which is why you posted the above drivel instead of at least trying to back up what you said after it was shown to be horse manure.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Of course it can happen... If a cop was committing a felony and then killed someone in the act of committing a felony as to where the reason the felony was not directly to kill someone then it is 2nd.

It would be useful if you gave a real example of when, to your mind, it did happen.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

I have said a number of times the reason for a 2nd is as example someone robs a liquor store and kills someone in the process then they should be put up on 2nd degree.

You seem to be missing that Chauvin was found to have killed Floyd while committing or trying to commit a felony — in this case, third-degree assault.

Minnesota Statute 609.223, Subdivision 1 states that: “Whoever assaults another and inflicts substantial bodily harm” is guilty of the felony of Third Degree Assault.

His defence tried, but failed, to demonstrate this was authorized use of force of a police officer.

originally posted by: Phage
Source?

The still picture that was pull from the video was pretty much all she needed, and everyone had seen that 100 times long before the trial start.

originally posted by: EvilAxis

It would be useful if you gave a real example of when, to your mind, it did happen.

Useful to who? I don't follow crime cases...Not sure your point here...

You seem to be missing that Chauvin was found to have killed Floyd while committing or trying to commit a felony — in this case, third-degree assault.

Lol really he killed him twice? Wait 3 times? How many other people have been "killed" with anyone using that method to secure? I bet none... Also that was the official method that replaced the choke, so he was taught to use it, as what the police instructor said in the trial. It is also a lessor use of force than a taser, so it is what it is.... They estimated he had 80 pounds of force with a total body weight of 140...

Are you suggesting the million of other times that technic has been used around the country was a felony too. A conviction is only proof of what the jurors decide, it isn't proof positive of anything. Hopefully they get it right most of the time, but we can hash this out 100 more times and you will not convince me that if Floyd was white this would never have gone to court, and that the massive amount of external negative influence did not push the jurors in the direction they went.

If you watched the trial the defense was very strong to the point that some prosecutor's witnesses ended up supporting the defense side more than the prosecutor's side. A lot of assumptions that the jurors bought since they most likely were convinced before the trial started.

The media cherry picked a still shot to make him look bad, but there was a lot going on with the crowd and Floyd freaking out the whole time. A man died so yes I think manslaughter was appropriate since Chauvin should had been more aware of his condition and even that is pushing it. Even the one cop said something like "he passed out again", so they had no clue he was having a heart attack.

I accept the ruling as it is our way for law and order, but it doesn't mean I also need to agree with it 100%. I mean did you agree 100% that OJ was innocent?

a reply to: Xtrozero

You didnt watch the trial the cherry picked photo as you call it was made for a reason. That was when there expert had determined Goeorge Floyd had died. That was the moment he stopped breathing in the video. As for the defence they had to try to disprove the video they were unable to do that. Im not sure your motivation maybe you believe all criminals deserve to die. However being arrested shouldnt be a death sentence and the police doesnt get to decide who lives and dies. You have to look at the circumstances of each interaction in this case he was a bad cop. In the most recent shooting i saw of Ma’Khia Bryant for example the police made the right call. He saved someone by shooting her.

In this case you just backed the wrong horse and it turns out hes a scum bag,

Moronic question; what was Floyd's cause of death?

a reply to: JinMI

According to the coroner a cardiac arrest caused by lack of oxygen from the police preventing airflow in to the lungs.

originally posted by: dragonridr
You didnt watch the trial the cherry picked photo as you call it was made for a reason. That was when there expert had determined Goeorge Floyd had died.

Wow! The guy must had been good to get the moment of death down to 1/30 of a second. Its the same picture I saw like 2 days after the incident, so I will need to disagree... It seems the picture worked well, as the alt juror said that picture told her everything she needed to know basically.

. As for the defence they had to try to disprove the video they were unable to do that.

I'm not sure your point here...disprove what? That Chauvin had 80 lbs of weight on Floyd's back when he died. I think we all know that, right?

Im not sure your motivation maybe you believe all criminals deserve to die.

Did you read that from my post? Did you read "A man died so yes I think manslaughter was appropriate since Chauvin should had been more aware of his condition and even that is pushing it."

However being arrested shouldnt be a death sentence and the police doesnt get to decide who lives and dies.

I agree 100%, and if you go back and look at older posts of mine I slam the cops were it is appropriate to do.

You have to look at the circumstances of each interaction in this case he was a bad cop. In the most recent shooting i saw of Ma’Khia Bryant for example the police made the right call. He saved someone by shooting her.

In this case you just backed the wrong horse and it turns out hes a scum bag,

What do you do when the cop who shot Ma'Khia has his court case and loses?

Here are my issues and views with Chauvin...

He should have been more aware that Floyd could of been having a serious medical issue at some point, and that is why I suggest manslaughter as he was the one in control and didn't do what he should have done.

With that said...

1. The restraint used was official and replaced the choke method years ago, and there is no history it has killed anyone before as it was being used all the time.
2. Floyd complained about "can't breath" long before he was on the ground. I think he even said it when he was in his own SUV, and said a lot of crazy stuff as he ODed, so how does anyone know when he is talking crazy or finally maybe for real?
3. He had serious medical conditions and fought 3 cops for like 10 mins totally stressing himself out. He wore out the cops, so just think what condition he was in. I have had 3 friends die from a heart attack during some level of exercise with like medical issues, so add in the drugs and the extreme level of resistances and it is not good.
4. When did the drugs he took as the cops came up kicked in as just one more layer on top of many layers of drugs?
5. The crowd didn't help and it seems like the cops became more focused on them than Floyd once he was restrained. I think this could have played big in it all...

In the end it all seemed like the jurors and others wanted the defense to prove Chauvin's innocence, and that isn't how it works. It was up to the prosecution to prove his guilt without a shadow of doubt, and they didn't do that, and there is a big difference between the two...

So what killed him? 80 lbs of pressure from a man that weighted 140 lbs, or a mixture of drugs, serious medical conditions and extreme stress...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Useful to who?

Useful to establishing whether a police officer has ever, to your mind, and by your apparently unique definition of the law, rightfully been found guilty of second-degree unintentional murder.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

I don't follow crime cases...

Maybe why the detail eludes you.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Lol really he killed him twice?

No. The felony part which you seem to be struggling with was for assault and actual bodily harm. That crime occurred before Floyd died. In other words, the court's decision was that had Floyd not died, Chauvin would still have been guilty of the lesser charge of third degree assault.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Are you suggesting the million of other times that technic has been used around the country was a felony too.

No, but I don't doubt that it was sometimes.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

...we can hash this out 100 more times and you will not convince me that if Floyd was white this would never have gone to court, and that the massive amount of external negative influence did not push the jurors in the direction they went.

I know, so I didn't waste time trying.

originally posted by: Xtrozero
I mean did you agree 100% that OJ was innocent?

What relevance does that case have to this one?
Are you suggesting this case is bound to be a miscarriage of justice because American courts are biased in favour of black people? All the evidence points the other way.

originally posted by: JinMI
Moronic question; what was Floyd's cause of death?

Not easy to answer... Maybe impossible...

a reply to: dragonridr

this is from the George Floyd autopsy.

No life-threatening injuries identified

A. No facial, oral mucosal, or conjunctival petechiae
B. No injuries of anterior muscles of neck or laryngeal
structures
C. No scalp soft tissue, skull, or brain injuries
D. No chest wall soft tissue injuries, rib fractures (other
than a single rib fracture from CPR), vertebral column
injuries, or visceral injuries
E. Incision and subcutaneous dissection of posterior and
lateral neck, shoulders, back, flanks, and buttocks
negative for occult trauma

and so was this

Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:
1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive
B. Blood volatiles: negative for ethanol, methanol,
isopropanol, or acetone
C. Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids,
amphetamines, and fentanyl/metabolite
D. Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL

as well as this...

Natural diseases
A. Arteriosclerotic heart disease, multifocal, severe
B. Hypertensive heart disease
1. Cardiomegaly (540 g) with mild biventricular
dilatation
2. Clinical history of hypertension
C. Left pelvic tumor (incidental, see microscopic description)

So, if you never saw a video and simply read this would you think the police killed him? He had a heart condition and was on enough drugs to kill someone and was a daily users putting that stress on his heart.

I do not see Hypoxia anywhere which would indicate suffocation to induce a cardiac event. Coroner never said what you posted.

Link

Manslaughter...I would accept that but this was not a murder.

originally posted by: EvilAxis

Useful to establishing whether a police officer has ever, to your mind, and by your apparently unique definition of the law, rightfully been found guilty of second-degree unintentional murder.

Why is my definition "unique"?

So what does this mean to you? "While committing a felony other than criminal sexual conduct (rape or sexual assault which would be first-degree murder) or a drive-by shooting"

To me it means while committing a felony... Is that a unique definition...lol geez

No. The felony part which you seem to be struggling with was for assault and actual bodily harm. That crime occurred before Floyd died. In other words, the court's decision was that had Floyd not died, Chauvin would still have been guilty of the lesser charge of third degree assault.

What was the harm? No bruises or any other damages such as reduction in O2. Used an official technic taught to all the cops, considered the lesser of restraints... The prosecution didn't prove harm...

No, but I don't doubt that it was sometimes.

Man that is weak...

What relevance does that case have to this one?
Are you suggesting this case is bound to be a miscarriage of justice because American courts are biased in favor of black people? All the evidence points the other way.

No, but OJ's case shows that what is the real truth doesn't always match the verdict. What is similar in both cases is if the jurors went the other way there would have been massive riots and the jurors could easily become under threat, more today then back then.

That is why he was convicted on all charges... I would have done the same...

a reply to: matafuchs

So, if you never saw a video and simply read this would you think the police killed him?

How about reading the header?

CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION

I see nothing about overdose.

a reply to: Phage

Is that important?