The Chosen-An actual conspiracy

a reply to: Madrusa

Marking the passage of time with the moon no less, while the 5 pointed star usually hinted to be Venus, an the Moon relating to the Virgin Birth in some cases. The N.T an Revelations regarding the Dragon, Woman(moon, an Virgo) an unborn child(Venus, or even Jupiter).

In Egyptian from what I know it the opposite where as the planets are concerned, Mars was Horus, while even title a "Morning Star" too.

Could you imagine that the whole time, entire wars an religious conflicts were all about naming God, El an Yah or Al an Lah, when they are just both dialects. Well call me Ishmael, or Isaac.

a reply to: Madrusa

The last thing they'd want is open and honest debate as to were we're heading and options available, the MSM used so maintain sham debates but they were so boring and false they barely even bother with those anymore.

Amazing how much things have gone downhill in the last 10yrs, exponential collapse of free speech and critical thinking. All planned by TPTB of course, facilitated by technological advancement to a fair extent, mass hypnosis.

The truth being so far from general comprehension and the cognitive dissonance involved with seeing said truth so disturbing it's ignored, and with the click of a button, buried in pointless inanities.

The conspiracy is simple and real, as you say, no need to look further than those running the world and the tracing back the underlying ideology, which is covered up, hence the conspiracy.

A death cult.

Set, also known as Seth and Suetekh, was the Egyptian god of war, chaos and storms, brother of Osiris

Stealing the symbolism and traditions of another race and manifesting it's negative polarity, a futile effort to falsely claim to be "chosen" of the Gods. When in fact they are degenerate psychopaths as seen and clearly demonstrated for all by observing who runs the world (them) and the state of the world (screwed), obviously evil, not even a debate really.


People are so brainwashed by the Judeo-Christian cabal they can't see the evil death cult iconography in plain sight. Venerating the horrific tortured human sacrifice on the cross, a murder victim, why not a happy pic? The ritual symbolic cannibalism of consuming the flesh and blood of this poor tortured soul. Genital mutilation of babies is particularly abhorrent, traumatic, and so popularly widespread... who does this to kids and thinks its ok?

Whoever Jesus actually was he got so done over, and would surely be horrified with it all... something about the Synagogue of Satan comes to mind.





Not to say there hasn't been genuine mystics within the traditions, just that their own Churches killed most of them.

But few want to know in these days of complacency.

Even conspiracy theory, the last bastion of truth, crumbles and becomes mere entertainment, sheepified by the likes of Ickes etc. A neverending merry-go-round of cheap thrills and magic decoder rings, bread and circus.

there is no happy ending for false Brides particularly when they have lost all allure.

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a reply to: Specimen88

Yes El-yah is attested from Ugarit, meaning El the generative/creative, that causes to be, that is the same as Al-lah, attested from Nabatea is Qos Al-lah, were Qos the archer God of Edom relates to Shara/cupid, so really it is so much obfuscation and about establishing the primacy of one's particular group, the Child-God that appeared to Moses was the Morning star Deity Shara/Aeon/Mithra, a God of time and covenant born from the rock/mountain, associate with the Lunar crescent in the manner of Khonsu, also a God based in energy/fire as per the burning bush.



As a Deity born from the rock he could also be represented by Herm stones, and thus taken as Hermes thrice great in terms of lunar aspects, the Herm stones also look like a sword in the stone motif, he was the God of stone-masons.

Many faces of Dushara

a reply to: primalfractal

I think there's a certain amount of irony in the Jesus tradition, in that he came to understand that they were generating the negative aspect of the Deity that he identified as which should be a God of Love and thus looked to reverse the nature and understanding of the religious authorities, but it wasn't like they didn't know that and it was the last thing they wanted.

Christianity emerged from Hellenistic-Judaism which was a more open and tolerant attitude towards other peoples and cultures, the Galileans would have considered is there really any reason to hate and destroy these people, but there was also no reason to save them as they were just fine apart from having already been infiltrated by Sethian cultists, the only one's that required saving from themselves were the Jews, thus it is highly suspect and problematic that an initiative to save Israel became the mission to save the Gentiles, and that the end result was their induction into the tradition of Israel.

His fate was consistent with some aspects of the Morning star tradition, these trace back to Anu derived snake cults such as Istaran and Ningizida, Ištar-ān had a most unfortunate end in his sacrificial aspect, in that he was taken to the Temple precinct of his sister Istar and had all of the blood beaten out of him to nourish the Underworld, whilst she watched and lamented.

Istar-an

a reply to: Madrusa

thus it is highly suspect and problematic that an initiative to save Israel became the mission to save the Gentiles, and that the end result was their induction into the tradition of Israel.

Definately suspicious.

Seems like a deliberate manipulation to make a new branch of the tradition that was transmissible and would carry the seed of Israel out to the world.

Much like the 70/30 rule of disinfo that gets bandied about here. Add a smaller amount of disinfo to a larger amout of truth and people will believe it.

Trojan horse.

Maybe they used him to get some juicy bits of truth that matched their garbage enough to make the hybrid popular.

Then crucified him to make it even more believable and to get rid of a problematic loose end, as well as the ritual element of the sacrifice. Further infiltrating and destroying the essene esoterics until there was no one left to object about the copy paste edit job at Nicaea.

Bet the guy was a gangstalked conspiracy theorist.

a reply to: primalfractal

That would be a sinister inversion, use the person that tried to save Israel to destroy the world a truly Sethian scheme, but are we too believe that the likes of Peter and Paul in Rome felt that those they felt most compelled to save were the Romans, Christianity spread quite rapidly through the Hellenistic-Judaic communities across the Mediterranean and replaced that, but had they ever been sincere in the syncretism, it was certainly the case that there were commonalities in the origin of the various traditions and the only real difference was the inverse attitude and perspective of the Sethian ethnic based position, so mutual understanding could develop to a certain extent but there was that ultimate distinction, the with us or against us position.

The Gospels were written to a considerable extent to conform to the expectations of Orphic/Bacchic/Aeon-Mithra/Eros-Cupid/Phospherus scholars which were common at that time, it was reasonable for them to conclude that if the accounts were true then such had manifested within the world, a Mother of all Mystery cults, the main issue was that what transpired in a very localized context became promoted as a Universalist gospel of Salvation, for everywhere except Judea.



So whatever the truth of the accounts it is no concern of mine, it was never intended to save myself or my people, that it failed to save the Jews i don't care either, if Jesus had known the origins of that tradition he would have realized the impossibility of doing so, i am happy enough to accept though that if the accounts are to be believed he was a true manifestation of the God of Israel in the positive sense and that his only hatred was against the deceivers..

Also as a deep dive into the basis of the distinction, the Sethian rejected all who they considered descended from what they understood as Fallen Ones, thus their purity was in terms of non-hybrid Earthlings, it could though be considered they had an aversion to a developmental stage in higher human evolution.

As G. Stroumsa has shown, the Sethian account of the persistence of evil people who persecute the pure seed of Seth is further explained by the myth of the intercourse of the sons of God with the daughters of men in Gen 6:1-4. According to 1 Enoch, these sons of God are the “watchers” who sire a race of homicidal giants, and are then sent down to the Abyss. In subsequent Jewish exegesis, these underworld watchers become devils like Azazel or Shemihazah who sexually tempt the pure race of Seth to engage in polluted intercourse with the corrupt offspring of Cain. Other Sethian traditions, however, such as that behind the account in Josephus, Antiquities 1.2.3, allow the opposite kind of identification, namely one between the watchers or sons of God in Gen 6:1-4 and the pure seed of Seth who bore the image of God, and to whom was revealed the (beneficial) knowledge of ultimate cosmic secrets.

>Given the dilemma of Seth’s human progeny, existing since primordial times as a persecuted but pure strain of Seth’s seed, living among, but apart from the corrupt descendants of the cursed Cain or perhaps of other Sethites devoted to the creator God, it would be natural to develop a hope or belief in the eventual salvation of this race, consisting in its extrication from such people who constantly tempted the true Sethites to procreatively mingle with their own race, and thus lose their awareness of their special ancestry. Such extrication would of course be a dramatic, apocalyptically-conceived act, in which the remaining pure Sethites would be reunited with their primordially enlightened counterparts now existing in the aeons above, perhaps even raptured into the third or fourth of the Sethian Luminaries in close proximity to their ultimate ancestor, Seth.

The movement downward is a devolution from the original simplicity of the divine acme, moving away stage by stage from primal perfection, unity, and integration towards realms increasingly characterized by multiplicity, deficiency, separateness, distance and alienation from the divine source. In the gnostic myths, the sequence of the unfolding of the higher to the lower world proceeds in terms of dramatic episodes, personified aeonic beings, sexual procreation, and the praising of the parent by the offspring.

Cursing the very earth he made, Yaldabaoth expels the enlightened couple from the Garden. But as enlightened beings they are still superior to their creator, so Yaldabaoth comes up with yet another scheme to nullify their newly gained intelligence: implanting the humans with the desire for sexual intercourse. Yaldabaoth himself sets the example by seducing the earthly Eve, begetting two subhuman powers, Cain and Abel, who will procreate future generations that will be subjected to his control by the heavy chain of fate and the compulsion to procreate themselves by sexual intercourse. Unfortunately, Yaldabaoth rapes only an earthy simulacrum of Eve, whose spiritual power the Mother removed in the nick of time, while it is the now enlightened Adam that goes on to know" the true Eve, who bears their child Seth, who like Adam possesses the human image of God, and is destined to father the “seed of Seth", a race of human beings who will likewise bear the image of the true God.

From this, Jewish Gnostics concluded that there were two races, the pure and undefiled seed of Seth, which avoids sexual intercourse, and the children of Cain, given over to lust, sin, evil and damnation. These two races must not intermingle. During the history of the world, the malicious creator Archon tries to oppress and destroy the seed of Seth by the flood, the conflagration of Sodom, and finally at the end of the world, but all three times Seth manages to save his righteous seed.

The Gnostics knew themselves to be the “other seed,” the progeny of Seth, who was born to Adam and Eve after she had successfully escaped the lustful attacks of the ignorant creator. By the use of the second myth, Satan’s adulterous relations with Eve were highlighted by the Gnostics into a prime example of mixis, the illicit blending of two essentially separate kinds of beings through the union between mortal women and the angels descended from heaven, which resulted in the birth of giants and the sending of the flood. For the Gnostics, the leader of these angels was no longer Satan or other angelic figures as in Jewish tradition, but the creator himself, Yaldabaoth, Sakla or Samael.

a reply to: Madrusa

Creation and destruction are not universal constants. The world did have it's beginning point and it will eventually have it's end, but even if you continue to believe that they repeat themselves, you are still acknowledging that the world and civilization as we know it has to end before a new one is created. You just choose to believe that the battle never ends, even though the Bible tells us it will.

The Bible goes as far as to say that this earth will be destroyed and go out with "a great noise". So, for the scientific community who believes that this earth was created through a "big bang", they probably aren't far off, because it will end that way too.

a reply to: primalfractal

There's nothing suspect about God saving the Gentiles through the Jews. The Bible shows that God has a history of using the second born and the second in line to fulfill his purposes. The Jewish traditions gave too much prominence, power, and inheritances to their first born. God includes all. Once again, God used the "chosen" to set the example for all to learn from.

a reply to: Deetermined

Creation and destruction are not universal constants

You need to take that up with Physicists, but your concern is with Biblical prophecies and they are much more concerned with the end of Aeons, Zodiac Ages, the entire Book of Revelations is with regards to expectations of the new Aeon and the end of the old, and the good news is that you're already in a new one so Revelations is now obsolete and much of that which was hoped/expected to happen didn't, though some did, not everyone sits around waiting for things to happen some actually generate them, they call these determinists.

a reply to: Madrusa

LOL! You really expect everyone here to believe that you understand what the Bible says as a whole, much less the book of Revelation? Your silly statement proves you've never read it. The human existence, along with death itself will be done away with. It will be replaced with a permanent state of being where no pain, suffering, or exhaustion exists. There will be no need for day or night, as neither food or sleep is required.

a reply to: Deetermined

No my expectations on what you and others will believe and understand are very low but that's never prevented me from stating facts, all that you seem to be expecting there is a non-existential state of being which is a contradiction in terms, i have more interest in binding the spiritual and existential, but if you were hoping for all human existence to come to an end i am sorry to disappoint, but not really.

a reply to: Deetermined

There's nothing suspect about God saving the Gentiles through the Jews.

I"d be instantly suspicious of any so called "God" that made things worse rather than better while claiming the opposite.

Actions speak louder than words, "Saved" people wouldn't rape and pillage a planet for a millennium.

Western society, under the influence of Jews via Christianity, has been brutal and bloody nonstop. Pretty sure they are related and when one thing goes, the other will too.

a reply to: Deetermined

It will be replaced with a permanent state of being where no pain, suffering, or exhaustion exists. There will be no need for day or night, as neither food or sleep is required

Red bull fantasyland heaven, or maybe something stronger?

a reply to: Madrusa

Your facts make for a good history lesson on the ancient writings that combine gods, faiths, and traditions, but you will only be able to provide an opinion on why they did so. The rest is left to faith. So, sorry to disappoint you.

In the last decade we have even dug up old writings where someone was obviously trying to combine Christianity with Islam. Nothing has changed. More proof that people will combine whatever they want in their own minds and beliefs in their search for answers.

a reply to: primalfractal

I'm just relaying the facts of what was written in the Bible, but you have to read it first to know that's what it says. You can choose to believe whichever writings you want.

a reply to: Deetermined

You don't think the bible stories are allegorical?

Like the whale one for instance.

And it is ridiculously boring.

originally posted by: primalfractal
a reply to: Deetermined

There's nothing suspect about God saving the Gentiles through the Jews.

I"d be instantly suspicious of any so called "God" that made things worse rather than better while claiming the opposite.

Actions speak louder than words, "Saved" people wouldn't rape and pillage a planet for a millennium.

Western society, under the influence of Jews via Christianity, has been brutal and bloody nonstop. Pretty sure they are related and when one thing goes, the other will too.

Quit fooling yourself. All life has been brutal and bloody. You wouldn't even know the definition of better if God didn't allow you to witness the worst of it. The main moral of the story is that man is not capable of saving himself or making it better. It is out of our control. Just when you think you can, God allows another monkey wrench to be thrown into it in order to give you pause. I dare you to stop the next natural disaster too!

originally posted by: primalfractal
a reply to: Deetermined

You don't think the bible stories are allegorical?

Like the whale one for instance.

And it is ridiculously boring.

You don't believe that a God who created everything in existence is capable of doing such a thing? At the very least, it's another story that reveals that there are consequences in going against God's will and thinking we will have a final say in any of this life.

a reply to: Deetermined

I can provide a correct opinion based in fact but i cannot expect all others to accept it because that is a question of their individual nature and fate, more so than their faith, there's no reason that should disappoint me and it doesn't, i could provide incorrect opinion based in lies and i would expect such to be more readily accepted if it was what they wanted to hear, but there i would disappoint myself.