Where do your rights come from?

originally posted by: Stevenmonet

If you say society/government you lean towards the left liberal/socialist.

You're thinking along American lines.

In much of the rest of the world it's common for far rightnationalist groups to believe that a strong centralized government is essential for protecting people's rights.

I'd like a strong conservative government and strong conservative courts to protect my rights against liberal SJW.

Some rights are inalienable, and the individual shouldn't need to fight to protect them. Moreover, not everybody has the means to uphold their own rights. There are good people who for good reason aren't able to stand up for themselves, so they need a strong government to protect them.

If you're targeted by an outrage mob, or a powerful corporation like Google, what are you going to do, shoot everybody who disagrees with you? No, you need a body of authority to stand up to the SJW bullies using resources that the ordinary man does not have.

This is why countries have armies, rather than just expecting everybody to sit on their own land and fight as indivuduals.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Stevenmonet

If you say society/government you lean towards the left liberal/socialist.

You're thinking along American lines.

In much of the rest of the world it's common for far rightnationalist groups to believe that a strong centralized government is essential for protecting people's rights.

I'd like a strong conservative government and strong conservative courts to protect my rights against liberal SJW.

That's the paradox of modern American politics.

911 Truth was originally a liberal movement (anyone remember Michael Moor Farenheit 911?).

But somehow over the years it became a conservative view.

Some rights are inalienable, and the individual shouldn't need to fight to protect them. Moreover, not everybody has the means to uphold their own rights. There are good people who for good reason aren't able to stand up for themselves, so they need a strong government to protect them.

You mean we wish they were inalienable.

All governments that gain too much power succumb to "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely."

The best defense against a few people taking over everything is to spread power out as widely as possible.

If you have, say, 10 power bases in your society (for example: Industry, Religion, Academia, Military, Government....) , then probabalistically speaking, nobody would be able to dominate all ten of them.

If you're targeted by an outrage mob, or a powerful corporation like Google, what are you going to do, shoot everybody who disagrees with you? No, you need a body of authority to stand up to the SJW bullies using resources that the ordinary man does not have.

This is why countries have armies, rather than just expecting everybody to sit on their own land and fight as indivuduals.

The whole idea of rule of law is so the strong do not harm the weak.

a reply to: Trueman

He wasn't a socialist... Socialism doesn't give you a choice, it forces you. Jesus gave and gives everyone a choice.

Anyway, your rights are God given and are unalienable. No government gives you rights, but the Constitution of a government can recognize that as humans we all have equal rights, just like the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights within it, and the Declaration of Independence states.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness....
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Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

A government can recognize and guarantee those unalienable Rights, which are God given. But the government is not the one that gives people their rights.

Just look at democrats denying rights to Americans leaning to the right and claiming we are all criminals for daring be the political opposition to the left/dictatorial aholes...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

a reply to: andy06shake

Yeah, you are so pro-Jesus that you stand with your criminal socialist leaders in claiming every American whom leans to the right in politics is a criminal... That's your version of Jesus and Christianity...

You are so "pro-Jesus" that you stand with real nazis like Margaret Sanger and you believe that murdering the most innocent of human beings is a "right" like your forefathers the democrat slavers believed...

That's your version of Jesus and Christianity...

You want dumb? Look in a mirror...

BTW...do tell us which side has taken God and Jesus from our schools, and from government meanwhile allowing Luciferians to hail & pray to your idol satan in government buildings?... It isn't the right... It is you socialists, former democrats whom have been doing this which in turn has destroyed families...

Your side is even denying the fact that men and women exist. Or the fact that your side has abolished, or is trying to definitions like woman, man, daughter, son, etc and instead you are making it so that a destructive fantasy, that men are women and women are men, is reality when you are denying what God and Jesus himself has taught us.

Yet you are so deluded you believe you are on the side of Jesus & real Christianity...?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Never met the fellow.

Same as you, Jesus that is.

You want dumb i direct you towards you pseudoscientific Electric Universe nonsense.


I don't have a side per-say, nor do i deny fact that men and women exist.

Im on my side if any ElectricUniverse same one as rhyme, reason, and common sense.

God and Jesus's place is in a church or chapel not in our Schools imho unless its in RE class. x

Edit: As to your query "Yet you are so deluded you believe you are on the side of Jesus & real Christianity...?"

Its about Sun worship not Son worship if you are honest and a hodgepodge collection of religions that came before, Christianity that is.

a reply to: andy06shake

No, but he left us his teachings. Jesus said His father's kingdom is not of this world, as such it won't be ruled by any invention of mankind more so the system that has caused the most suffering all around the world "socialism."

You and those like you whom profess to be Christians, you are no sort of Christians. You believe that God and Jesus must abide by YOUR rules, and YOUR laws. Which it's why you believe Jesus was a socialist...

God's kingdom won't be ruled by any laws, or economic systems made by men, or women. It won't be right-wing, and it won't be left-wing either.

You leftists are the deluded fools to this day most of you can't acknowledge that your systems, such as socialism, are flawed and in fact are the worse systems mankind has ever created.

As for "sun worship being Christianity that's the most absurd claim anyone whom claims to be a Christian would make...

The claims from leftists like you that Christianity came from Egyptian mythology, or "sun worship like the Incas and Aztecs believed in has been debunked plenty of times.

Jesus and God has been taken from the schools and what has happened? The family structure has been all but destroyed, and men believe, like you do, to be better than God or Jesus himself.

Instead of Jesus/God's teachings your side has sexualized children, brainwashed them into thinking a girl is a boy and a boy is a girl, and that the sexes are just "made up by men" when the sexes were made up by God and not men.

Left-wingers like you believe you are better than anyone else, which is why you agree with your dictatorial leaders in punishing anyone whom dares not believe what you believe in.

Taking Jesus and God's teachings from society has only made society weaker and corrupt. But that's the sort of thing you leftists love.

a reply to: andy06shake

What's more... You even admit not to believe in Christianity, hence not believe in Jesus, yet you are so arrogant that you claim you know he was a socialist when you ignore his own teachings... How much more arrogant, and brain dead can you be?

originally posted by: Stevenmonet
Where do your rights come from...

Technically, they aren't Rights if they are given to you or can be taken away. Those are called Privileges'. Like a Driver's License.

The Constitution displays our Rights and Organizes them, but the Rights truly come from a Sense of Ethics and Morality. And that can come from a number of sources.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Aye, some proof might be nice, same with your Electric Universe nonsense.

Where is that now, same place Jesus is?

Im just an Andy, ive not got wings, left or right, i think you may find thats sanitary towels or angels your thinking of.

Plenty of churches and chapels around with gods teachings, school not so much. x

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I was christened a protestant ElectricUniverse, cant take that away from me.

Dont mean i have to believe the nonsense verbatim you see.

We are after all allowed to think for ourselves, even if you are not.

As to arrogance i direct you towards both testaments of your good book, or rather rehash of what came before. x

Possibly worth entertaining the fact that the notion of a creator, or creator force, being the colour of the day, don't require a belief in Christianity's interpretation and/or bid for our hearts, minds and soul.

a reply to: CryHavoc

Rights are taken away by legislation, and an example is the Patriot Act. It essentially nullified the 4th Amendment.

That the government has taken them away and that the people have fully supported the offending legislation shows that rights are theoretical only. If individuals assert them and the government protects them they become real.

If individuals give them up easily and the government takes them easily, they don't exist.

a reply to: Salander

The Bill of Rights of the US Constitution protects basic freedoms of United States citizens.

Same people who extend such rights are the same people you are suggesting are taking them away.

The real colour of the day being people are not born with any rights, just a chance, and sometimes not even one at that.

the 'Rights' we say are God given...Are not guaranteed

a system of 'Rights Preservation' has to be created, then effective and sustainable, where the wiles & whims of powerful individuals are not allowed to suppress the individual (s) or groups/populations/peoples


the world of Rights has to nullify warlords, dictators, monopolists, elite globalists intent on Eugenics

The commentary about other members will stop. This is not the mud pit, even there personalized commentary isn't on. Discuss the issue, not each other.

a reply to: andy06shake

I may have been sarcastic in my previous post. Natural rights are birthrights. They existed before the men of 1787 crafted the Constitution. Government does not grant those rights, we are born with them. God given, if you prefer the religious lens.

Government's purpose in this country is to guarantee those rights given by birth.

a reply to: Salander

Your not born with anything other than a chance.

Else Woman's afterbirth would contain the Constitution listing those natural rights.

I've got 2 kids mate none of which came with instructions.

You don't even get a guarantee.

Other side of the pond all the same but we like to kid ourselves on we are free also.

And yet 320,000+ homeless, foodbanks and austerity all over the shop.

The world is what it is I'm afraid, might makes right, and it can be purchased, just like justice.

Money talks, the rest just do the walk.

If something can be taken-away : is it a right, or a permission ?

If a 'right' is only local, and not universe-wide : how is that possible ?

Perhaps all we have is granted privileges ?

What rights does an ant colony have, versus a road-building crew ?

Are there any 'rights' in nature ?

What are the 'rights' of a shrew, about to be snatched by a swooping hawk ?

a reply to: Nothin

The only rights anyone has are the ones they are determined to fight for.

a reply to: andy06shake

I see your points, but obviously you are not a philosopher.

Some folks can understand only tangible things like pieces of paper signed by an authority.

Others can understand intangible things such as the Rights Of Man.