Where do your rights come from?

Simple question right?

Your answer is the basis of my simple hypothesis.

I believe that if your answer is your god/creator you lean towards the right libertarian/conservative.

If you say society/government you lean towards the left liberal/socialist.

Outliers may exist, and that is the test of any good hypothesis. Does it describe the majority of my observations with limited outliers, or are my hypothesized results the outliers.

So tell me in your own words.

Where do your rights come from and do you lean more to the right or left as described above?

Do you find this hypothesis accurately describes the majority of peoples political leanings?

Almost forgot to start us off:

I consider myself center/right. My rights come from my god/creator.

Or simply: yes. "for those who wish to keep their political leanings private"

a reply to: Stevenmonet

I'll answer you with another question.

Do you consider Jesus left or right ?

Sometimes I think he was socialist when he walked on Earth. But he practiced a type of socialism that is impossible to practice by humans.

But we must try anyway. An ideology of love. You hug your loved ones using your left and your right together.

There are no rights. It's an illusion because others won't abide by your ideas.

Violence, the supreme authority.

I am atheist, but I feel like I have every right that I think I should have. Except drugs. I gave them all up in 1996, but I feel I should have the right to indulge if I wished to do so. Also prostitutes. Never indulged, but why not?

Other than that, I live my life and do what I want.

originally posted by: LordAhriman
I am atheist, but I feel like I have every right that I think I should have. Except drugs. I gave them all up in 1996, but I feel I should have the right to indulge if I wished to do so. Also prostitutes. Never indulged, but why not?

Other than that, I live my life and do what I want.

That's not answering the question.

a reply to: Trueman

I would say he was theocratic.

I would put theocracies on the right of the political spectrum.

a reply to: Tempter

Anarchist atheist it is then.

Anarchy can go to either side but I personally place it to the right and all forms of collectivism go to the left.

Atheists often say they are their own god though so if you are your own god and decide your own rights by force at will I would say yes you fit the hypothesis.

If you are an atheist who says no god only force and no rights only force. Then no answer, or realy at best it's an outlier.

a reply to: Stevenmonet

Another person or government granting "freedom" must first (logically) have them as a slave prior to the granting. Or else, why would they be "granting" them freedom and/or rights?

A little context is necessary. Why does the Declaration of Independence say, "We are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, among them life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Are those just random words? The prevailing system of government AT THE TIME was composed of Kings and Queens who had the "divine right" to rule, the "Divine Right of Kings." That was taken as a given. Jefferson (and his ilk) said this was not so and that a King, i.e: A ruling party, had no right to be an intermediary, that we, us people here, had the right to these things without the authority of a monarchy. Kings have no right to take them away.

Subsequent to that Declaration we developed a Constitution that gave us additional rights. Just read the Bill of Rights. These rights were written from the point of view that no one, including government, could take them away. Once again, these rights were saying that no system of governance could take these rights away. (Of course, they have been eroded. I'm not arguing that.)

Now today every Tom, Dick, and Harry proclaims additional rights. The "Right to Healthcare," for example, but this expansion fails to take into consideration that your "right" does not compel someone else to furnish it to you. If all doctors decide they are being taken advantage of and quit, so much for your "right" to health care. If the government forces all the doctors to provide for your care, they just created a slave class to do your biding.

Now you, OP, have decided that it's all about left and right, thus totally missing the point altogether.

(Last post because I really have spent too much time on this, and I'd rather go read a book. It's my right.)

originally posted by: LordAhriman
I am atheist, but I feel like I have every right that I think I should have. Except drugs. I gave them all up in 1996, but I feel I should have the right to indulge if I wished to do so. Also prostitutes. Never indulged, but why not?

Other than that, I live my life and do what I want.

1. I am atheist, but I feel like I have every right that I think I should have.

Atheist I am my own god or atheist no god. I get that you have whatever right you want, but if you are your own god and decide your own rights you fit my hypothesis.

a reply to: schuyler

Always said better by you.

*tips hat*

Inalienable rights; unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Hence why I feel and have found most collectivist or left leaning people see it as everyone is yoked or slaved to everyone aka rights come from society/gov.

Where most who see their rights coming from their god/creator are more individualist or right leaning. Hence why I put anarchy on the far right as most anarchists are advocating for individual sovereignty aka no one but god can judge them or give them rights.

originally posted by: Stevenmonet
a reply to: DBCowboy

Hence why I feel and have found most collectivist or left leaning people see it as everyone is yoked or slander ed to everyone aka rights come from society/gov.

Where most who see their rights coming from their god/creator are more individualist or right leaning. Hence why I put anarchy on the far right as most anarchists are advocating for individual sovereignty aka no one but god can judge them or give them rights.

Never mentioned God or a creator.

Just repeated that rights, in my opinion, are inalienable.

a reply to: Stevenmonet

Where do your rights come from?

Define "rights". You failed to do that.

a reply to: Stevenmonet

God would be my knee-jerk reaction. But in reality, we only have whatever rights we can defend or that others are willing to defend for us.

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." (Mark 12:17)

Since we have free will, do we really have God-given Rights? Or is that in the realm of what is "Caesar's"? I think it's the latter.

In the case of those of us in the USA, it's actually a Constitutional Right given to us by the countries founders.

Too literal? I'm an Independent, not beholding to any political party, and vote based on my conscience.

Our Constitution separates church and state, but I happen to agree with it and its intent. Those who fought to free us and who fight now to keep us that way gave me my Right's. Those who penned the Constitution gave me my Rights. God is who I answer to for my choices, be they good or bad.

To begin with, lumping us into two groups, Left or Right, is fallacious in my opinion.

a reply to: schuyler
Sounds good but it starts off "We hold these truths to be self-evident..." which basically means "this is what we believe", doesn't make it true, though.

The idea of inalienable rights, while noble and desirable, could not be made real if the society does not recognize them and works towards preserving them. Why would this be needed if they were truly inalienable?

a reply to: schuyler

Did I miss the point?

Our founders clearly felt our rights come from god, and established a very libertarian government. I would say that fits my hypothesis to a T.

We dont have to go over the history of monarchy post or pre magna.

Either your rights come from your god/creator or they come from a paper signed Into law by government or some other form of social contract.

My thesis is that the god/creator crowd is strong Individualist or right leaning. The government/society crowd are strong collectivist or left leaning.

Can you beleive your rights come from your god/creator while also advocating for government or societies needs over the Individuals.

Can you beleive your rights come from society/government while also advocating for a very limited in scope and authority or right leaning form of government?

a reply to: Stevenmonet
Surely you can not bring any God Creator into a mindset of political belief is that not blasphemy unless you are a god/creator

a reply to: Stevenmonet

There are no such thing as 'rights'. They are just a societal construct so the few have a way to control the many. Who is anyone on this planet to tell someone else what they are and are not entitled to?

a reply to: Stevenmonet

I consider myself center/right. My rights come from my god/creator.

Again, you haven't defined rights. You feel *your* rights come from god, but what about the rights of others? Do you believe they also have god given rights even if those rights aren't the same as what you believe are given rights or what you believe to be true? Can government dictate what those "rights" are if they conflict with your own belief as to what is a right?