Ships in the Sky - Glitch in the Matrix

a reply to: Buvvy


Some guys in here are even calling UFO sightings by multiple people mass hallucinations lmao. Even though in many cases the witnesses witnessed the UFOs from different vantage points independent of one another. Oh and there are ground RADAR recordings and air RADAR recordings along with the visual sightings....so the RADAR systems must be having hallucinations along with the witnesses lmao

It must be a strange feeling living in a box thinking nothing strange or super natural ever happens in our world.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

You have been presented with the historical data.

So ""Some guys"" here and throughout history.

What's strange is that you cant seem to get your head around the psychological aspects pertaining to the matter and choose to actually believe in physical sailing ships in the sky with anchors despite well physics for instance. LoL

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: dragonridr


Look up the definition of a hallucination.

Your painting example doesn't even come close to explaining the OP.

It does you just cant figure it out. Seeing is believing, and a human’s ability to observe with our eyes often dictates what we accept as truth. There are times, however, when observations can deceive the mind, playing on the eye’s limited abilities. Optical illusions, such as mirages, have been woven into historical accounts of visions on the ocean or in the deserts, sometimes leading sailors to their unfortunate demise.

Just because you think you see something doesnt mean its there and just because your looking at something doesnt mean your brain is not misinterpreting what its seeing.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: dragonridr


Look up the definition of a hallucination.

Your painting example doesn't even come close to explaining the OP.

It does you just cant figure it out. Seeing is believing, and a human’s ability to observe with our eyes often dictates what we accept as truth. There are times, however, when observations can deceive the mind, playing on the eye’s limited abilities. Optical illusions, such as mirages, have been woven into historical accounts of visions on the ocean or in the deserts, sometimes leading sailors to their unfortunate demise.

Just because you think you see something doesnt mean its there and just because your looking at something doesnt mean your brain is not misinterpreting what its seeing.

I agree with this and I will concede that the details of the story such as the man swimming in the air down to the anchor could have added to the story over the years. But mass hallucination no. Also the fact that there have been other very similar accounts could help bolster the stories credibility. Then again some details could have been borrowed from other accounts.

a reply to: dragonridr

Like I said earlier...
The number of details and the up-close person swimming in the air in the case in the OP could only be explained as either a lie, a mass hallucination or something that really happened.

I'm going with a lie or it really happened. Mass hallucination, no.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Thats deep. Will have to get back later.

Thanks for sharing

I love interesting stories like this from the past, thanks for posting. I personally believe most are just plain old stories and some optical illusions. But for the truly unexplained events, my personal belief is that earth has many dimensions stacked right on top of each other. Ironically enough I was just trying to explain this to my wife the other night and what I said was imagine when we are laying in bed there is another dimension/reality right on top of us. We operate on different wavelengths right down to the atomic level so we will never see or here each other. So while we are laying in bed watching TV in that exact same location there could be a busy restaurant with people all around us even walking right through us and we would never know, and there could be thousands of these dimensions/realities.

In my opinion this theory explains ufos, ghosts, and strange occurrences like pointed out in the OP. But for some reason every now and again under the right circumstances we are able to briefly get a glimpse of the other side. So that has got me to thinking that in another dimension/reality they are on a wavelength that makes it easier to see other wavelengths possibly even having the technology to glimpse into others. I believe this theory best explains ufos because the biggest problem with ufos is the distance required to get to earth. It would make more sense that they are seen time to time because they are using super advanced technology to do things like cancel out gravity and move at unimaginable speeds. Well maybe out of the byproducts of using this technology is accidentally punching a whole through realities thus giving us a glimpse into theirs.

Now about these ships in air stories, it is possible they are events that actually occurred. In a different reality the water level was higher and for some reason we were able to see fisherman going about there daily lives. What is really interesting is that if one of these realities has mastered seeing into others then we could be watched as if our lives were the truman show. It is a really interesting theory of you spend some time thinking about it. It could also explain all the weirdness in our lives. Even the mandela effect. Maybe for unknown reason every once and a while 2 nearly identical realities touch and things change to the point of us being unable to prove it. The only residue left is our memories.

Just a cool subject to me, thanks again for posting.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

At least you seem to now be able to accept that mass hallucinations are considered to be an actual phenomenon.

As to what actually transpired, stories change over time, parts are added, dropped, embellished, overlooked.

I'm going with hyperbole of some kind of optical illusion.

a reply to: andy06shake

There is no such thing as a MASS HALLUCINATION it is a word trick, a naming of something by those that do not believe and not a true phenomena.

Mirage yes that is not a hallucination.

A Hallucination in a large group of people's minds since it would not be there except in there mind would have to have a causative affect external that would be making them all see the same thing at the same time despite the fact we are all different, even our neural net's are very distinct from one another so how, explain how to create a mass hallucination please.

It simply does not exist stop peddling an ideological excuse.

If you think something was a mirage seen by many people that is NOT a hallucination that is bending of light through atmospheric conditions NOT a hallucination.

Now if 10.000 people all ate some peyote they would NOT have the same hallucinations, not even remotely even if you cloned the piece of peyote to make sure they all had the same exact dosage and same exact chemical composition.

Sorry no mass hallucinations they do not exist, even Jasper Maskelyne's tricks were optical illusions not hallucinations.

Show me one PROVABLE, SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN account of mass hallucination, not the 'opinion' some quack that failed his psychology degree and only passed because he towed the line but actual evidence.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Trick word my arse.

Psychology somewhat disagrees with you.

"A mass hallucination is a phenomenon in which a large group of people, usually in physical proximity to each other, all experience the same hallucination simultaneously. Mass hallucination is a common explanation for mass UFO sightings, appearances of the Virgin Mary, and other paranormal phenomena.

In most cases, mass hallucination refers to a combination of suggestion and pareidolia, wherein one person will see, or pretend to see, something unusual (like the face of Jesus in the burn-marks on a tortilla, or the face of a kidnapped girl on a blank billboard) and point it out to other people. Having been told what to look for, those other people will consciously or unconsciously convince themselves to recognize the apparition, and will in turn point it out to others."

psychology.wikia.org...

Show me ""PROVABLE, SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN"" evidence of Jesus LABTECH767?

originally posted by: andy06shake
In most cases, mass hallucination refers to a combination of suggestion and pareidolia, wherein one person will see, or pretend to see, something unusual (like the face of Jesus in the burn-marks on a tortilla, or the face of a kidnapped girl on a blank billboard) and point it out to other people. Having been told what to look for, those other people will consciously or unconsciously convince themselves to recognize the apparition, and will in turn point it out to others."

That's what happened in the case of the transparent sphere UFO with the two aliens inside it, near the Canary Islands in 1976. A respected doctor was straining to figure out what the heck he was looking at for this strange UFO in the sky, he had never seen anything like it. There were some people around him, and he asked them if they could see the two humanoid aliens inside the sphere, and they strained to see what the doctor described, and those people in direct contact with the doctor reported that they could also see the aliens. It was a combination of suggestion and pareidolia, exactly as that article describes. (note some other witnesses were not in contact with the doctor, didn't get his suggestion, and didn't report the aliens).

Canary Islands Mass UFO Sighting, 1976

Although bizarre, the doctor’s testimony was corroborated by the taxi driver, as well as by witnesses at the patient’s house. But the investigative adjutant reportedly still debated whether he should accept the doctor’s deposition. It was his belief that the witnesses of the humanoid figures in the sphere, “facing the presence of an unusual phenomenon in the sky, narrated what their ‘minds’ made them see, mutually influencing each other.” He goes on to say in the records that he “doesn’t have the slightest doubt about their seriousness and sincerity. They told what they unquestionably ‘believed’ to have seen.”

So here we have multiple witnesses of good character where investigators had no doubt they described honestly what they saw, and this is not an isolated case by any means. It wasn't a mirage, but it was a combination of suggestion and probably pareidolia.

By the way, that site about the incident still doesn't say what the UFO actually was, even though it's been known for years as explained on last year's ATS thread, and now we can confirm that the investigators guess about a multiple eyewitness illusion by witnesses of good character seems very probably correct

These are some artist's conceptions of what the UFO looked like to the doctor and other witnesses the doctor talked to:



Here is the ATS thread from last year, where someone posted a youtube video still calling it a UFO even though we've known exactly what it was since 2001. It was eventually declassified, and then we could confirm what it was, but we didn't really know in 1976 because it was still classified then:
New YouTube Video On 1976 Canary Islands Mass UFO Sighting

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: andy06shake

There is no such thing as a MASS HALLUCINATION it is a word trick, a naming of something by those that do not believe and not a true phenomena.

Mirage yes that is not a hallucination.

A Hallucination in a large group of people's minds since it would not be there except in there mind would have to have a causative affect external that would be making them all see the same thing at the same time despite the fact we are all different, even our neural net's are very distinct from one another so how, explain how to create a mass hallucination please.

It simply does not exist stop peddling an ideological excuse.

If you think something was a mirage seen by many people that is NOT a hallucination that is bending of light through atmospheric conditions NOT a hallucination.

Now if 10.000 people all ate some peyote they would NOT have the same hallucinations, not even remotely even if you cloned the piece of peyote to make sure they all had the same exact dosage and same exact chemical composition.

Sorry no mass hallucinations they do not exist, even Jasper Maskelyne's tricks were optical illusions not hallucinations.

Show me one PROVABLE, SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN account of mass hallucination, not the 'opinion' some quack that failed his psychology degree and only passed because he towed the line but actual evidence.

Thank ypu

You explained it much better than me.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

Good luck with both your explanations of the recorded phenomenon throughout history to psychologist.

Trick words and its not real my arse.

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
Seems simple when you realize that our atmosphere is like a very loose liquid, like an ocean around the planet.
And the actual seas and oceans are a very dense liquid.
We exist and 'breath' in the loose ocean that we call the atmosphere.
But to aliens, this might be more dense than their normal 'ocean'. And so to them (and their craft), they might be floating up higher where the ocean is less dense.
And when they swim down to the ground to untie the anchor, they need to (like whales), move back up to the top for 'air'.

Just different levels

a reply to: andy06shake

That is I - have to most emphatically point out - NOT proof, it is a link to a text page that lists what can be frankly called CRACK POT THEORY.

NOT evidence, not proof simply hairbrained theory by men whom were psychologists (Pseudo science grown out of putting young rich girls into lunatic asylum's so that there relatives could steal there inheritance and paying some opinionated quack lots of money for his opinion and signed letter to the authority's) NOT neurologists.

Hi guys....

The usual disclaimer: don't know if this has been posted yet (the thread seems to have grown, since it last caught my attention; I'll need to go through it again)...

That said... somehow, it did (re: catch my attention). It was also quite difficult to find in search (keywords that finally succeeded: anchor, church).

www.bbc.com...

Photoshop maybe? But, for me, this is more interesting: I'm just wondering ... why something as outrageous as this, suddenly pops up, after I casually read this thread (and take some notice)?

ichef.bbci.co.uk...

If not photoshop... this is not a mirage I live in Africa... I've seen many mirages...

Thoughts?

-Cheese

originally posted by: StrangeCottageCheese
ichef.bbci.co.uk...

If not photoshop... this is not a mirage

I live in Africa... I've seen many mirages...

How did you determine it's not a mirage?

You remind me of the pilot who said "I've seen satellite re-entries before and what I saw wasn't anything like those, so it wasn't a satellite re-entry". It's a logical fallacy thinking he's seen every possible type of satellite, but he hadn't, and it was a satellite re-entry. It's like the old saying, the problem isn't what you don't know, the bigger problem is what you know, that ain't so. Having said that though it's a bit clear for a mirage, compared to the one I posted below, but I can't say for sure if it's a mirage or of it's photoshopped. What I can say for sure is the fact you've seen many mirages before doesn't mean you've seen every type of mirage that could ever possibly occur.

One issue is, if you've seen mirages in Africa, it tends to get hot so that makes the mirages shimmer due to all the air movement.
In colder regions, the air is not violently swirling like it is when it's real hot, so you can conceivably get much more clear mirages in colder regions where the air is more still.

I posted this mirage earlier in the thread, pretty cool but not quite as clear as that:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
UFO? Flying Ship? No—It's Nature's Coolest Optical Phenomenon

a reply to: Buvvy


Interesting, images of ships in the sky, horn sounds (trumpet) coming from the sky.

Could this have anything to do with CERN?

a reply to: StrangeCottageCheese

Photoshop maybe? But, for me, this is more interesting: I'm just wondering ... why something as outrageous as this, suddenly pops up, after I casually read this thread (and take some notice)?

If not photoshop... this is not a mirage
I live in Africa... I've seen many mirages...

Thoughts?

There is a clue in the link you provided.

....David Morris took a photo of the ship near Falmouth, Cornwall. BBC meteorologist David Braine said the "superior mirage" occurred because of "special atmospheric conditions that bend light". He said the illusion is common in the Arctic, but can appear "very rarely" in the UK during winter.

So it is a mirage and if you lived in Britain near the coast you might occasionally see them too.