Death rates boosted within medicine using comorbidity variables.

Huge numbers of people are dying every year. They have serious health problems basically they are on deaths door and any virus will push them right through it.
Top 10 Causes Of Death

In medicine, comorbidity is the presence of one or more additional conditions often co-occurring (that is, concomitant or concurrent with) with a primary condition. Comorbidity describes the effect of all other conditions an individual patient might have other than the primary condition of interest .......comorbidity often refers to disorders that are often coexistent with each other

For example on average 1600 people die everyday just from cancer in America, but if they caught any type of serious virus including the flu their demise could be greatly accelerated. There are many other conditions that also mean the body simply can not handle any more stress, one more thing breaks and you die.

False positives are a huge issue, yes the person has something, a bad cold or flu on top of all their other issues and now they die.

The comorbidity variable is something people seem to be forgetting in all this, anybody with a robust healthy immunity and no other health issues should be able to beat this, like any other cold or flu.

But the statistics are being played with to create a narrative that they want.
As one virologist said, they used the annual A & B influenza to create a pandemic by co-opting other existing comorbidities into COVID death numbers. These people would have died either way in many cases.

Anybody else tired of wearing a mask for all this BS?

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Anybody else tired of wearing a mask for all this BS?

SCIENCE says masks work.

Sincerely,

The Bill and Melinda Gates Depopulation Foundation

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

I’m not wearing a mask anymore. Haven’t been since mid-summer. If a store or place requires it for entry, I just shop or go elsewhere.

I AM tired of the public staying completely brainwashed and stupid. Of that I am beyond tired.

Good thread! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33


Anybody else tired of wearing a mask for all this BS?

I'm actually quite comfortable with a mask. I got a few soft comfy ones - and use a string like glasses around my neck.

It's not being able to chill with my family and friends that I miss.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Comfy because it’s wintertime. That’s the ONLY damn use for these things.

We choke on that sheet in the summer months. June is just around the corner....

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

You are never going to de-tangle comorbidities.

By far, the majority of all deaths, from all causes, in the statistics have co-morbidities, that doesn't only apply just to COVID-19.

In the same way every single infectious agent affects the elderly and those with compromised health more far more than the otherwise healthy. COVID-19 is, again, not unique in that regard.

However, the number of people who keep on prattling about avoiding reasonable precautions in regard to COVID-19, stuff that is standard practice in dealing with a number of infectious agents, is the unique thing.

Perhaps epidemic disease is nature's way of evolving humans towards a higher intellectual level by wiping out the stupid, because otherwise, stupid is incurable.

a reply to: chr0naut

We all die.!

It’s a short ride in the great span of time.

Get over it.

Some people are just impatient, though.

a reply to: chr0naut

You are never going to de-tangle comorbidities.

This is exactly the point......

An 85 year old man has heart disease, stage 4 cancer, diabetes and pneumonia he goes to bed one night and doesn't wake up in the morning, he dies in his sleep, what really killed him with all these comorbidities ? What does the hospital claim it could have been, with so many problems he had, what do you put on the death certificate, what you think most contributed to his death. Is it the last thing he got, the pneumonia or the problem that most contributed to his death, the cancer.

Or this scenario; a positive Covid test 3 hours before he went to bed, and we get more money for that, let's put that on the death certificate.

We have had doctors and nurses say COVID treatments and deaths are monetized, that alone will sort out the comorbidities in favor of COVID, also speak out, and lose your job. A job they spent a huge amount of money getting an education for, turning a blind eye is survival for these people, unless they want to be fired and black balled in the entire health care sector.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Its much bigger than that because there is a material link that does in fact connect nearly all of those deaths...it is what certain People wish the masses to believe is Covid-cold....and the twist it this....COVID-COLD IS ONE OF 3 LIFE PHASES of the Pleomorphic Bacteria that is connected to all of these illnesses and most of these deaths.....as it has ALWAYS BEEN.

Yes...one thread connecting ALL DISEASES....yes you heard it crrectly...ALL DISEASES.

This bug is described in major Doctrinal writings all over the world.

We just connected the co-morbidities instead of trying to entangle them.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: chr0naut

You are never going to de-tangle comorbidities.

This is exactly the point......

An 85 year old man has heart disease, stage 4 cancer, diabetes and pneumonia he goes to bed one night and doesn't wake up in the morning, he dies in his sleep, what really killed him with all these comorbidities ? What does the hospital claim it could have been, with so many problems he had, what do you put on the death certificate, what you think most contributed to his death. Is it the last thing he got, the pneumonia or the problem that most contributed to his death, the cancer.

Or this scenario; a positive Covid test 3 hours before he went to bed, and we get more money for that, let's put that on the death certificate.

We have had doctors and nurses say COVID treatments and deaths are monetized, that alone will sort out the comorbidities in favor of COVID, also speak out, and lose your job. A job they spent a huge amount of money getting an education for, turning a blind eye is survival for these people, unless they want to be fired and black balled in the entire health care sector.

Hospitals get paid commensurate to the cost of care. It costs far more to put people in intensive care and on a ventilator, so they get get paid according to the claims for treatment the patient receives, not for the diagnosis.

In many cases, acute COVID-19 patients require more than just a basic hospital bed. They are likely to be physically incapacitated and cannot move around under their own supervision, there are additional medical requirements for quarantining of patients and staff from the rest of the hospital, they require a higher level of observation as they cannot raise the alarm themselves if things worsen, they require specialist equipment and treatments. It just costs more, in most cases.

Hospital Payments and the COVID-19 Death Count - FactCheck.org

a reply to: one4all

More than 200 different viruses are known to cause the symptoms of the common cold. An estimated 30-35% of all adult colds are caused by rhinoviruses. In people with asthma, particularly children, rhinovirus infections are also frequently associated with flare-ups. Scientists had previously identified 99 distinct rhinovirus types. Recently, however, a number of unknown types were detected in patients with severe flu-like illnesses.

Of the 200 different types some will be more deadly than others, with different comorbidity variables.
It's also why you might have 8 colds as a 4 year old a year, and only 1 a year as 50 year old, your body is gaining immunity to those specific strains, as you age, can time go by and you get it again, sure, just not the very next year, you probably have a different 1 of the 200 different types.

You’re wrong. “The flu is dead.”

“Long live the new Corona”

Y’all do the non-racist math

Maybe so. Maybe it does most definitely “cost more” to take care of patients. Got me there.

What’s your reasoning for hospitals getting paid to deem deaths as “because of Covid”......?

originally posted by: slatesteam
Maybe so. Maybe it does most definitely “cost more” to take care of patients. Got me there.

What’s your reasoning for hospitals getting paid to deem deaths as “because of Covid”......?

The hospitals are paid according to the cost of treatment, not for a diagnosis of any particular disease. It was in my previous post and in the linked article.

It would be stupid to pay for treatments that patients don't receive. Sometimes, a patient with COVID-19 or some other condition may be discharged without any treatment necessary, and so to pay by diagnosis, is really, really stupid - ill-reasoned Facebork post kind of stupid.

a reply to: chr0naut

The hospitals are paid according to the cost of treatment, not for a diagnosis of any particular disease.

Umm, wrong, as usual.

Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital, you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000

source

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: chr0naut

The hospitals are paid according to the cost of treatment, not for a diagnosis of any particular disease.

Umm, wrong, as usual.

Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital, you’ll get paid $13,000. If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000

source

You need to actually read the whole article you sourced.

Medicare and Medicaid were entirely written into law well before the COVID-19 epidemic. The legislation makes no specific reference to a condition that didn't exist at the time it was framed.

Medicare might possibly pay those amounts (it is all dependent on the cost of treatments, on a case-by-case actual-cost-of-treatment basis). Medicare could potentially pay those amounts for any condition that requires similar treatments to COVID-19 standard treatments.

There is some special funding under the CARES act that is specifically allocated against Coronavirus cases, but it is only for those who are uninsured. The Facebork quoted Medicare figures have nothing to do with the CARES payment amounts, which also happen to be significantly less than the Facebork quoted amounts.

a reply to: chr0naut

I did. They pay more for additional treatment.

If a hospital puts someone in a bed, whether it be for 5 minutes or 5 days, they get $13,000.

I mean are you seriously dense and unable to see the potential for abuse there?

And that abuse happened.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: chr0naut

I did. They pay more for additional treatment.

If a hospital puts someone in a bed, whether it be for 5 minutes or 5 days, they get $13,000.

Under Medicare, if you are over 65 and have a respiratory disease, any respiratory disease, they will pay the hospital $13,297 to put someone into a hospital bed. The legislation, including the amount, was written up in 2017. You figure it out.

I mean are you seriously dense and unable to see the potential for abuse there?

And that abuse happened.

As per the FactCheck article, it didn't.