Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

Just expect us to believe that Trump dreamed it up

No. I expect that someone who would presume to talk intelligently about trump, would do their homework and recognize him for the piece of garbage he has been his entire life, and draw the logical conclusion that he had no reason to change that,

You mean apart from the fact he's 75 years old now? Being close to death's door causes many people to reexamine their life.

But I don't think Trump became president out of the goodness of his heart. He just wanted to promote his brand, because he knew it was all he was going to be able to leave to his children.

(I doubt when his financial assets are added up, and debts subtracted, that he would have a positive balance. )

Your problem is that you can't tell the difference between a flawed roguish person, and Satan himself. You only see black and white. No gray (or hispanic).

...because some disenfranchised proletariat had this ridiculous notion that he was "just like them".

Again more "black" and "white" divisive talk.

Obviously he's not "just like" them. But everyone has something in common with everyone else.

Some won't admit it, and try place themselves on an ivory pedestal. But we all eat food, and create poop. And our poop all smells about the same.

Those clinging onto the idea that the Maricopa County election wasn't rigged are just too entrenched to come to terms with it.
Because if it happened there, the likelihood is it happened all over the country in key counties.

At this stage it's like getting home to find your house burning down and a guy outside with a lighter, cloth and can of gas trying to run from the scene and telling yourself you must have left the cooker on.

I like that! Let's try and come up with good examples of mental gymnastics you need in order to ignore the audit results!


We could make some pretty good election fraud denialist jokes.


It's like climate change denial, except with stronger evidence for the "political climate change"

originally posted by: Human2Spirit
He's something else, all right. He's one of the most informed and best all-around contributors here. I've been lurking for years, so I can say this with confidence. He sure beats all the leftist propagandists that have sprouted up recently. Go, Carewemust! We need more like you on ATS!

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: carewemust

I think the guys a whack job so you assume I hate all forum owners? How do you figure?

Wow.

You’re something else

Is that you carewemust?

He compared the idiot to Jesus for god’s sakes, but whatever floats your boat buddy.

a reply to: alphabetaone

Exactly.

I guarantee trump can’t stand the people he panders to at those rallies - can’t stand them!

If you’re not making millions he thinks you’re a loser, there’s absolutely no doubt in my mind that’s how he feels - no doubt!

How he got all these “losers” to love him with such disgusting adoration is truly mind boggling.

And, it’s so obvious. There’s nothing relatable there.

Same with his kids. Six years ago they wouldn’t have been caught dead associating with people not as wealthy as them.

And, these people throw their hard earned money at them… mind boggling.

a reply to: knoxie

you have it backwards, its not adoration for the man hes kind of a reprehensible human being but while president he put more money in the pocket of the voter, for the first time in many peoples lives he actively addressed the border, tried to address our allies taking advantage of us in trade agreements, tried to put the US first in negotiations, things like this.

I didnt vote for him, because I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils, but the man did MUCH better in office than I expected, and unfortunately for us, Biden has been worse than I feared.

On topic Fraud has occurred in every single election ever, the electronic voting machines are not secure the standards are to all over the board HR 1 is not the answer but some sort of regulatory standard needs to be in place with states still responsible for implementation and over sight.

originally posted by: Irishhaf

its not adoration for the man hes kind of a reprehensible human being

Admirable

originally posted by: Irishhaf
but while president he put more money in the pocket of the voter

Not mine, my taxes incresed by almost 30%

originally posted by: Irishhaf
for the first time in many peoples lives he actively addressed the border

With the wrong message though. If he were somewhat more intelligent, he could have addressed the people (voters) in such a way that they would see the need for border protection reform. Calling what is tantamount to ALL immigrants to rapists, murders etc., you're burning bridges unneccessarily. Problem is, as much as he touts "having the best words", he is linguistically a child.... effective communication has always been a great Presidents' most valuable tool.

originally posted by: Irishhaf

On topic Fraud has occurred in every single election ever, the electronic voting machines are not secure

Agreed because there is no real

originally posted by: Irishhaf
standard

ANSI, ASE,ISO, they exist for a reason and leave little doubt as to their efficacy. Voting needs something similar to avoid any further issues like these where voters are left "taking peoples word for it".

But with that said, there has BEEN no more fraud, as you've pointed out, than what is commonly seen in other elections. Not that it is a great scenario, but it has been kept as minimal as possible, and the current climate is suggesting MASSIVE fraud which just aint so.

originally posted by: alphabetaone


With the wrong message though. If he were somewhat more intelligent, he could have addressed the people (voters) in such a way that they would see the need for border protection reform. Calling what is tantamount to ALL immigrants to rapists, murders etc., you're burning bridges unneccessarily. Problem is, as much as he touts "having the best words", he is linguistically a child.... effective communication has always been a great Presidents' most valuable tool.

He's not a poet, or any kind of "English Major".

And yeah. He screwed up when he made the "rapists" accusation. So far I've only looked into murder rates, but I found Hispanic people in America actually murder at very nearly the same rate as white people in America. (Surprising, given the difference in economic status.)

Lowering crime isn't a good reason for the wall.

There are good reasons to build it, but nobody will ever hear them now. In trying to build the wall, and screwing it up, Trump ruined the chances of a wall happening.

originally posted by: Irishhaf

On topic Fraud has occurred in every single election ever, the electronic voting machines are not secure

Agreed because there is no real

originally posted by: Irishhaf
standard

ANSI, ASE,ISO, they exist for a reason and leave little doubt as to their efficacy. Voting needs something similar to avoid any further issues like these where voters are left "taking peoples word for it".

But with that said, there has BEEN no more fraud, as you've pointed out, than what is commonly seen in other elections. Not that it is a great scenario, but it has been kept as minimal as possible, and the current climate is suggesting MASSIVE fraud which just aint so.

That's because you're looking for individual fraud instead of systemic fraud. Systemic fraud and individual fraud are different animals.

Individual fraud is just as likely to favor either side, and tends to cancel itself out.

Systemic fraud usually only favors one side, and can ruin nations.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

He's not a poet, or any kind of "English Major".

To say the least, sure.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

Lowering crime isn't a good reason for the wall.

Well, my assertion on border protection reform didn't necessarily mean "wall", but i agree. It's not a good enough reason for it.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
In trying to build the wall, and screwing it up, Trump ruined the chances of a wall happening.

Right. Like i said he burnt so many bridges because of his syntactical ineptitude. People tend to not give enough credit, in my opinion, to effective communication. It can literally be the difference between success and failure.

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
That's because you're looking for individual fraud instead of systemic fraud.

I have to be honest, im a bit uncertain about the distinction you're trying to make here. But i will assume what you mean is individual voter fraud (one person attempting to defraud by way of casting more than one vote), versus the entire voting apparatus system-wide being fraudulent. If what you mean is what should be at issue here is the latter, then doesn't it stand to reason auditing individual voters' records would yield very few results (much like it did)?

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous

Systemic fraud usually only favors one side...

Sure, the system it has in place.

But this is precisely what gives rise to my questions about outcry in years gone by. Why did the previous elections live with an acceptable level of fraud (meaning nominal) and only during the previous administration was it so bad that people had to get other people killed at the US Capitol bldg? Why were there nooses with people threatening to hang the VP of the United States? What's the common thread?

Those of you who (somewhat) know of Arizona A.G. Brnovich's personality, what is he attempting to convey here?

Nunchucks display: www.independent.co.uk...

Arizona Update Fri 10/15/2021

In a Friday evening statement, Trump claimed that there were "fictitious" votes in Pima County—Arizona's second-most populous after Maricopa.

"A new analysis of mail-in ballots in Pima County, Arizona means the election was Rigged and Stolen from the Republican Party in 2020, and in particular, its Presidential Candidate.

This analysis, derived from publicly available election data, shows staggering anomalies and fictitious votes in Pima County's mail-in returns, making it clear they stuffed the ballot box (in some precincts with more ballots than were ever sent!)," Trump claimed in a statement posted to Twitter by his spokesperson Liz Harrington.

More: www.newsweek.com...

This ball is now in Arizona Attorney General Mark Brnovich's court, along with Maricopa county anomalies. Will he launch a serious investigation?

originally posted by: alphabetaone
in reply to carewemust

"Maricopa County (Phoenix) election officials admitting to Congress last week that they violated Federal Law "

Hmmm....im not quite sure why this would bother you.

Well, I am quite sure why it doesn't bother you...

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: knoxie

you have it backwards, its not adoration for the man hes kind of a reprehensible human being

People keep saying that, but the evidence just isn't there.

I've seen videos of him, interviews, etc, and he has been very consistent his whole life. He has done many, many good things, most of which he tries to keep private. Yes, he has declared bankruptcy once or twice )more? shrug), but he has also 'built back better' every time and come out on top.

He is a smart business man, and has had to deal with the most unsavory of the government underbelly of crime (the NYC real estate developers environment).

So, I would welcome some real, actual examples of his being a 'reprehensible human being' - you know, other than the obligatory reference to the secret recording of him talking about how women throw themselves at rich guys, like we all don't know that is true.

originally posted by: alphabetaone
in reply to Irishhaf

Not mine, my taxes incresed by almost 30%

Nope. No way, no how... unless maybe you are indigent, and you stopped getting some tax credit welfare handout.

And in case it wasn't clear... yes, I'm saying you are lying.

Calling what is tantamount to ALL immigrants to rapists, murders etc.,

More lies. He enever, said anything approaching such a vile comment.

What is vile is people like you repeating the vile filthy lies from CNN etc.

he is linguistically a child.

Dan Bongino explained it perfectly - he's from Queens. All you need to know to understand his communication style. Not for everyone, no, and I too think many of those silly embellishments are... silly...

... effective communication has always been a great Presidents' most valuable tool.

the current climate is suggesting MASSIVE fraud which just aint so.

And yet, there was fraud on such a massive scale that the truth of the fraud that is our entire election system is coming out, and will either be addressed, or the USA will turn into another Venezuela #hole and our great experiment with freedom is done.

I'm not sure what is more troubling - the possibility of this being so, or that people like you are cheering it on.

a reply to: tanstaafl

What evidence do you have of massive fraud?

All I have seen is rhetoric, conjecture, opinion pieces that make that claim but NO supporting evidence.

The reality and absolute TRUTH is Trump lost. The election was NOT stolen from Trump, Biden won.

Get over it!

a reply to: jrod

Bellwether counties.

Biden only won 1 . Not possible without massive fraud so stop saying stupid S###

a reply to: sciencelol

Funny how you are the one saying stupid stuff...

You know the 1st rule of the Dunning-Kruger club?

They never found enough evidence of a fair and honest election especially the procedures.

Too much questionable evidence.

The massive cover-ups apparently were well thought out and executed ☠️

originally posted by: tanstaafl

Nope. No way, no how... unless maybe you are indigent, and you stopped getting some tax credit welfare handout.

Well, im not about to prove it to you, as you are insignificant, so stalemate.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
More lies. He enever, said anything approaching such a vile comment.

His words can speak for themselves, i dont need to lie...

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Dan Bongino explained it perfectly - he's from Queens. All you need to know to understand his communication style.

Tell Dan, im from Manhattan and i still think's he's a bumbling idiot.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
And yet, there was fraud on such a massive scale

Prove it.