Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

a reply to: IndieA

Great minds...

I saw that also, and I've been trying to research it and make sense of it and put it in some kind of perspective. Here is a direct link to his video:

Arizona Audit Hijacked by Biden Administration Under Guise of National Security.

From the above link:

This audit used belongs to the People of Arizona, but unfortunately now it belongs to the Courts. Now that AG Bronvich has begun the process of pursuing criminal charges and low level criminals will be going to jail, yet still Arizonans will never see the Routers or Splunk Logs associated with the 2020 Presidential Election and here is why. This Unilaterally Brokered deal has set up a third party to negotiate the fulfillment of Senate Subpoenas called a "Special Master" But the use of the term [Special] does not signify in any way the personal or anthropological quality of the John Shaddegg. The Legal Definition of the [Special] signifies Military Jurisdiction or better yet Five Eyes National Security Jurisdiction not unlike Special Prosecutor John Durham or Ken Star and in no way does it represent "Independent" status just as the Federal Reserve is not Independent, they are tools of higher than political status, the National Security State. To Simplify Karen Fann and Korey Langhofer along with the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors have given the Biden DOJ a seat at the table and to where and when AG Bronvich takes action, the Biden Administration can counterman any attempt to seize the Subpoenaed Material under the guise of Executive Privilege and National Security.

I have no idea who he is, and he doesn't expand beyond giving his name. I don't understand the statement about the audit now belonging to the court... The Senate (and House) still have the same legislative powers they always had. And any/all criminal wrongdoing was always going to be referred to the judicial powers. He's making some mighty big claims, but is not at all specific in exactly how the agreement involves or empowers the Feds to interfere.

The Agreement is posted at both Maricopa County websites and the AZ Legislature website:

Agreement

I have read the Agreement a couple times, and I cannot see anything that invokes the Feds. At all.

And he states that Mark Finchem has come out against the agreement, but does not provide any source, I have not seen any such statement from Finchem, and a couple searches don't show any such statement from Finchem. So I don't know what to make of that.

But he's totally right about the lack of information and discussion from the Senate, as well as the media, and how the people have been cut right out of the process and treated like mushrooms -- kept in the dark and fed #. And people are not happy. This is OUR audit of OUR votes in OUR election.

I don't like that he assumes the worst about Fann, rather than just focusing on why the agreement sucks. One other problem I have with this is that he refers folks to Gail Godec's website. She was an early volunteer in the audit, and has been tweeting concerns and faults with the audit since the beginning. I haven't really paid too much attention to her, in part because she strikes me as a possible concern troll, as in someone who pretends to be all for the audit, but is oh-so-concerned about this, that and the other thing... effectively discrediting and denigrating it the whole time. But I really haven't paid too much attention, and I really don't know.

At his website, he has rallies scheduled at the State Capitol --

We will Rally Every Weekend at the Phoenix Capitol Until the State Legislature Convenes a Special Session and a
House Joint Resolution is passed to Decertify the Results of the 2020 Election and Strip Joe Biden of his Stolen Electoral Votes!

Like you, I'm hoping for the best and not the worst, but I'm not happy about this lack of information and action by our elected officials.

a reply to: Boadicea

how does that in any way not read "yes we are guilty as hell and you were getting too damn close"?

I don't think this should float at all. If we can ever get the retarded derps to realize what's really going on here, we might get some traction, but with half of the population stuck in stupidville, it will be a hard road ahead. Yup, nothing to see here.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Boadicea

how does that in any way not read "yes we are guilty as hell and you were getting too damn close"?

I think that's a given... and everyone knows it.

But let me put on my tinfoil hat here -- my bestest one with the flashing red lights -- and suggest that Karen Fann and others are under gag order thanks to the DOJ already inserting themselves (and "national security") into the judicial side of it all, from the start. And this effort to pre-emptively blame Karen Fann is to deflect and distract from the Fed interference that will be revealed at some point. Perhaps soon. Discredit Fann, discredit the audit, and big up the Fed saving the world from this oh-so-dangerous-to-democracy audit.

It also seems to me that IF the Feds have brought lawsuits, and IF the courts have granted gag orders, that there must be connections outside Arizona or the courts would not grant any motions from the Feds regarding a strictly state issue. Perhaps a connection to the Democratic National Committee? And/or perhaps the implication of Federal officials/contractors?

It also seems to me that these connections would be criminal in nature because that's what the DOJ does: Enforce and prosecute the law.

And it also seems to me that national security would be affected if Biden's presidency is illegitimate and illegal.

Okay... removing tinfoil hat now!

In any event, what the guy in the video is doing is too accusatory and inflammatory without any substance for me to give it much credibility. I think there are elements of truth, but just enough for a smear job to be effective. And if Fann and the audit are discredited, cui bono???

I don't think this should float at all. If we can ever get the retarded derps to realize what's really going on here, we might get some traction, but with half of the population stuck in stupidville, it will be a hard road ahead. Yup, nothing to see here.

I don't like it either. But at this point I don't see anything we can do except watch and listen as it plays out.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: carewemust

WHEN is the big promised Q&A session between the Auditors/Senate/AG and the public?

I have no idea. No one is saying zip about it. I check Fann and the AZSenateGOP Twitter pages every day, figuring that's where it will be posted first, and there's been nada.

Just like any update on the routers.

Just like the report on the paper ballots.

Crickets.

That's too bad. Thank goodness Arizona is only one of the states where the organized election fraud was perpetrated. If the Az leaders turn to mush, we still have WI, PA, GA in the hunt.

a reply to: carewemust

That's too bad. Thank goodness Arizona is only one of the states where the organized election fraud was perpetrated. If the Az leaders turn to mush, we still have WI, PA, GA in the hunt.

Well... maybe. I don't think it's that simple.

I definitely don't think AZ leaders are turning to mush. I think something is working against them... something that we don't know, and that they're doing their best under the circumstances they find themselves. I have no doubt that Wendy Rogers, for example, is just itching to say far more than she is, and that she's pushing the boundaries as far as she can.

And whatever force that is, it's not just AZ. Other states are having the same problem. Other states are not talking about known issues either. Who/what is shutting them up?

Yesterday the ballot box dumps were mentioned. Catherine Englelbrecht (from True the Vote) claims to have video of these drops gathered from private video surveillance in proximity to the drop boxes. Not a word since the story broke though. Georgia law requires 24/7 video surveillance of those drop boxes. Those videos would either confirm or debunk the claims of midnight dumps. That would seem to be the very purpose of those videos -- to catch illegal ballot dumping. But if anyone's checked those videos, no one's told us.

If it can't be done in AZ, it can't be done anywhere, for the same reason.

That's what we need to to know and understand: Who/what is stopping this? Who has the power to stop this?

I keep coming back to the courts and the DOJ. Who else would have that power??? The guy in the video seems to agree with me. The only difference is that I think it's already happened/happening, he thinks it might happen in the future.

originally posted by: vkey08
a reply to: carewemust

Seriously, you think that these fraudits are supposed to show some Holy Grail that Trump really won and there was systemic and widespread fraud, in the middle of a pandemic, all to humiliate and keep The Donald away from the White House.

If by that you mean that at least 80 million people voted for Biden (could be a little more/less) and about 75 million for Trump (again a bit more/less) and that a country with a population of 350 million (give or take) could only get less than 1/3 of its total to vote, and this is the part you harp on? Changing how we elect people because of 99 duplicate ballots? For TRUMP?

I would wonder more why MORE people didn't vote in an election that made it easier to stay isolated and vote than ever before...

The fact you call them "fraudits" is kind of annoying, and reveals something about your perspective.

The issue isn't whether Trump "really" won or not.

The issue is that the losers in ANY election deserve to be allowed to feel certain it was a legitimate defeat. They deserve to be allowed a forensic audit.

In this election, especially, where the means and opportunity for fraud was greater than it has ever been in over a hundred years of US history,( because anonymous voting always opens you up to that no matter how you conduct it.)

The fact that Maricopa has been fighting it presents us with a picture of a government that arrogantly feels it should never have to answer to its constituents (IE the people who pay their salary) on any issue.

We need to see the audits out just to throw it back in their face and remind them that they are our employees. (Not our masters).

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
The issue is that the losers in ANY election deserve to be allowed to feel certain it was a legitimate defeat.

Right.

And after being reassured time and time and time again by your own elected officials at the highest levels that there was no evidence of substantial fraud, some elements continue to move the goalpost.

Either:
A) A LOT of people have no clue about how to elect those who protect their interest (unlikely)
B) A LOT of people are making crap up (likely)

originally posted by: Boadicea


Our words will stand on their own merit.

Nah they wont.

a reply to: JinMI

LOL excellent point.

a reply to: Boadicea

I'm seeing articles where judges in Georgia and Wisconsin are taking the bull by the horns.

Why is there no judge in Arizona forcing things to get done?

Where is the q&a? Where are the router details? On and on and on. There needs to be a judge to set deadlines for these things to be delivered.

Arizona's attorney general is a flip flopper..changing direction depending on what direction the political winds are blowing.

Karen Fann, the Senate President who proudly announced two weeks ago that Joe Biden beat Donald Trump, turned everything over to this attorney general.

Common sense is starting to point towards Arizona leaders as not being everything we thought they were, 6 months ago.

If I'm wrong, great!

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: alphabetaone

sorry sport, I take orders from my wife, you aren't nearly as nice or pretty. so piss off.

Sounds like network dude is more like keyboard karen.

I'll take this as your admission that you have zero, nada, nyet, and leave you be with knowing what you are.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Who are you?

a reply to: bloodymarvelous

The fact that Maricopa has been fighting it presents us with a picture of a government that arrogantly feels it should never have to answer to its constituents (IE the people who pay their salary) on any issue.

^^^This is bad enough. But they didn't even stop there.

By defying courts and the law -- before, during and after the election -- they have pretty much declared themselves above any law and any higher authority.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Boadicea

I'm seeing articles were judges in Georgia and Wisconsin are taking the bull by the horns.

That's good to hear, but I'm not sure what you're referring to. I know that the Georgia judge hearing the Favarito case has set a new hearing for November 15, but so far he has not given Favarito access to the ballots again... And I know a former judge has been appointed to lead an investigation/audit into the election, but I thought that was all via the legislature not the courts. I am more optimistic for Wisconsin than Georgia at this point though. I know you're keeping up with them more than I am though so I'm not surprised if I missed something!

Why is there no judge in Arizona forcing things to get done?

It's a good question, but to the best of my knowledge no one is asking a judge to get anything done. The only ones filing lawsuits seem to be the ones opposed to the audit, and although the judge granted them pretty much all documents, correspondence, and other paperwork, the media hasn't shared it with the public either.

So why? I can only assume it is as Jovan Pulitzer says that it's because it was turned over to the AG for investigation and no one is asking a judge to force its public disclosure.

Where is the q&a? Where are the router details? On and on and on. There needs to be a judge to set deadlines for these things to be delivered.

As noted above, to my understanding, no one is asking a judge to intervene.

And I'm not sure a judge can. When the court affirmed the power and authority of the Senate to issue subpoenas, the court stated they had no jurisdiction because this was a legislative power and matter -- so Separation of Powers, Equal branches, and so on -- and the Senate was the authority in the matter.

The AG has everything, but they are not releasing anything to the public either. They won't be asking any courts to make it public.

So I would think it would have to be up to a citizen's group to file a lawsuit and ask a judge to order release of everything.

Another possibility is that someone did ask a judge to intervene, and a judge did and slapped a gag order on certain information. It could be that people cannot speak of the matter. It could be that releasing this information is out of Karen Fann's hands and out of AG Brnovich's hands and out of the media's hands.

Perhaps Judicial Watch needs to start doing their thing. They're real good at getting information released...

a reply to: Boadicea

Thank you for such a thorough response.

Arizona has invested more sweat equity and money in investigating the integrity of the 2020 election than all the other questionable states combined.

It would be tragic if the investigation was put in a long lasting holding pattern, due to a lack of pressure and deadlines.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: bloodymarvelous
The issue is that the losers in ANY election deserve to be allowed to feel certain it was a legitimate defeat.

Right.

And after being reassured time and time and time again by your own elected officials at the highest levels that there was no evidence of substantial fraud, some elements continue to move the goalpost.

Either:
A) A LOT of people have no clue about how to elect those who protect their interest (unlikely)
B) A LOT of people are making crap up (likely)

"Take my word for it" does NOT meet the criteria.

Reliance on authority figures is exactly what the American system is designed against doing.

You're acting like people stupid, and lack the education to be able to evaluate the evidence for themself and see whether they assurances they are given really mean anything as evidence.

A recount doesn't, because you'd just be recounting the same fraud again. (In the computer world I think they call that "garbage in, garbage out")

High level officials in government are politicians. And politicians lie.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: alphabetaone

sorry sport, I take orders from my wife, you aren't nearly as nice or pretty. so piss off.

Sounds like network dude is more like keyboard karen.

I'll take this as your admission that you have zero, nada, nyet, and leave you be with knowing what you are.

It's OK, you haven't comprehended what I've written so far, it's unlikely you are going to get any smarter with another post.

a reply to: carewemust

Karen Fann, the Senate President who proudly announced two weeks ago that Joe Biden beat Donald Trump, turned everything over to this attorney general.

That's not actually what happened... I was wondering how I could remember it so differently, and just re-watched the video. She never said that Biden beat Trump. She stated that the reports that the recount was "close" to the same original count is a "true statement," and numbers are numbers, but that those reports did not include the broken statutes and other issues, which have all been turned over to the AG. She parsed her words very carefully, and specified the reported recount as opposed to the investigative audit.

She also made it very clear that her authority and responsibility was the legislative -- law and policy making -- not the criminal side of things -- charging and prosecuting.

I think people are expecting far more of Fann than she is capable of doing. It's easy to throw her under the bus when she doesn't fulfill expectations -- even reasonable expectations! -- but she's done a hell of a lot more than anyone else, and it's time for others to step up to the plate. She's been let down and betrayed by pretty much her entire party. One person cannot do it all.

It's also very convenient for those who want nothing more than to discredit Fann, the Senate, and the audit itself. Which will ripple to every other state conducting or trying to conduct an audit.

a reply to: Boadicea

It's unfortunate but necessary that there are a number of invisible steps between "something isn't right" to "we have evidence that something illegal happened" to "we know who did it and what to do about it". Those steps won't be publicly announced because the same people who committed these crimes are watching just like we are and they can't broadcast their moves to the enemy, who is unidentified and could be standing next to them the whole time. It's a very tricky game.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Boadicea

It's unfortunate but necessary that there are a number of invisible steps between "something isn't right" to "we have evidence that something illegal happened" to "we know who did it and what to do about it". Those steps won't be publicly announced because the same people who committed these crimes are watching just like we are and they can't broadcast their moves to the enemy, who is unidentified and could be standing next to them the whole time. It's a very tricky game.

You stated that very very well -- thank you!

So many thoughts like that have gone through my head. There is also the matter of civil liability for defaming someone without proof to back it up, or tainting the jury pool for future prosecutions. We don't know if the prosecutor is trying to make deals with anyone, and can't afford to spook them by releasing the wrong information at the wrong time, or giving the guilty the opportunity to make them a better offer... an offer they can't refuse...

So many things that must go exactly right... and so many things that could go disastrously wrong!