Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week

a reply to: opethPA

I wouldn't put much info on Pennsylvania in this thread. It will be terminated once 399 pages are consumed. Start a new one. Will make it easier to keep track of PA the same way this thread enabled easy tracking of the AZ audit.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Nunyabizisit
I didn't know you now live in Arizona. Your info area is blank. Congratulations! Wife wants to move to that area.

Thanks for keeping us informed on what's happening in your state.

Yes, I moved here 7 years ago.

(not exactly accurate to protect identity, but close)

I LOVE it here!

Most of extended family relocated here around the same time. Had enough of the nonsense up there. And the winters.

Happy to answer any question any questions you or wife have (after this mess is over)

There are definitely a few things a midwesterner should know before moving.

Some things will seem like bizzaro world here at first if not aware.

Quite different from up there.

But most of the things you hate up there either don't exist here at all, or are significantly reduced, especially in politics, but all other aspects of life as well.





ETA:

Did you think I was going to drive from your area to Tucson yesterday for DOJ tarmac plane?

That would be difficult to do.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

I hope they will analyze ALL of the actual ballots, as done for AZ Audit.

Which AZ audit analyzed all of the actual ballots?

Form what I can find the AZ audit seems to be limited to Maricopa County.

"The controversial process began in April after contractors hired by the Republican-led state Senate took control of Maricopa County's 2.1 million ballots."

www.cbsnews.com...

"A cybersecurity firm plucked from relative obscurity to conduct an unprecedented review of ballots in Arizona's largest country is readying to present its findings to Republican lawmakers."

www.usnews.com...

We are talking about Maricopa county.

The ONLY county where audit was approved by a court so far.

Where the vast majority of AZ voters are.

And hopefully not where audits stop here.


The process is so 'controversial' to democrats, because someone is actually looking at the ballots.

Democrat's cheating plan assumed that nobody would, or even could.

Is why the constant propaganda efforts to prevent and smear by democrats.


Or are you afraid of what the actual ballots will have to say on the matter?

When you said "I hope they will analyze ALL of the actual ballots, as done for AZ Audit." I read that as they will analyze all the actual ballots as done for AZ audit. I'll own that one for reading what you wrote and not actually interpreting that as "analyzing ALL of the actual ballots, as done for Maricopa County Audit"


I am not afraid of what any audits will say as I didn't think Trump was a good president and I think in in months so far Biden has shown to be even less competent. What I focus on is facts, verifiable data , proof and basing arguments in reality which is why I always quote and link sources vs just giving opinions.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: opethPA

I wouldn't put much info on Pennsylvania in this thread. It will be terminated once 399 pages are consumed. Start a new one. Will make it easier to keep track of PA the same way this thread enabled easy tracking of the AZ audit.

Good point.
I certainly don't want to derail the AZ thread on PA .
I'll create one and link it here then lets get some good meaningful discourse going on it.

originally posted by: opethPA
I don't need to make any vain attempts or create info or give my opinion as fact when verifiable data is there for anyone to research from.

Backtracking now I see...

Good on ya mate...

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: opethPA

I wouldn't put much info on Pennsylvania in this thread. It will be terminated once 399 pages are consumed. Start a new one. Will make it easier to keep track of PA the same way this thread enabled easy tracking of the AZ audit.

Good point.
I certainly don't want to derail the AZ thread on PA .
I'll create one and link it here then lets get some good meaningful discourse going on it.

Excellent idea!

Will participate as much as I can, but AZ audit is top priority for me.

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

I hope they will analyze ALL of the actual ballots, as done for AZ Audit.

Which AZ audit analyzed all of the actual ballots?

Form what I can find the AZ audit seems to be limited to Maricopa County.

"The controversial process began in April after contractors hired by the Republican-led state Senate took control of Maricopa County's 2.1 million ballots."

www.cbsnews.com...

"A cybersecurity firm plucked from relative obscurity to conduct an unprecedented review of ballots in Arizona's largest country is readying to present its findings to Republican lawmakers."

www.usnews.com...

We are talking about Maricopa county.

The ONLY county where audit was approved by a court so far.

Where the vast majority of AZ voters are.

And hopefully not where audits stop here.


The process is so 'controversial' to democrats, because someone is actually looking at the ballots.

Democrat's cheating plan assumed that nobody would, or even could.

Is why the constant propaganda efforts to prevent and smear by democrats.


Or are you afraid of what the actual ballots will have to say on the matter?

When you said "I hope they will analyze ALL of the actual ballots, as done for AZ Audit." I read that as they will analyze all the actual ballots as done for AZ audit. I'll own that one for reading what you wrote and not actually interpreting that as "analyzing ALL of the actual ballots, as done for Maricopa County Audit"


I am not afraid of what any audits will say as I didn't think Trump was a good president and I think in in months so far Biden has shown to be even less competent. What I focus on is facts, verifiable data , proof and basing arguments in reality which is why I always quote and link sources vs just giving opinions.

I, and most of us here, have been using 'arizona/marricopa audit' interchangeably.

Is the only audit in the state, and any future audits will start in the same place, Arizona Senate.

Not an effort to deceive in any way.


I am also not interested in either of the 2020 candidate options.

Only honest election election results.

You will have a difficult time with sources, as we do in this thread.

MSM is actively working to deceive 24/7.

Have never seen ANY propaganda effort in the U.S. worse than this, not even their long effort against Trump himself, or for covid.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: opethPA
I don't need to make any vain attempts or create info or give my opinion as fact when verifiable data is there for anyone to research from.

Backtracking now I see...

Good on ya mate...

Backtracking on what?

unless you have some actual facts and data go act Internet tough some place else as its not really contributing to the thread any.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

You will have a difficult time with sources, as we do in this thread.

That is why I stay away from sites like CNN or TheGatewayPundit as a sole source as much as possible or at a minimum if using them I try and list multiple sources with the same .

Listing the US Congress , DOJ and actual laws of the US as sources would seem pretty clear cut though .

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

You will have a difficult time with sources, as we do in this thread.

That is why I stay away from sites like CNN or TheGatewayPundit as a sole source as much as possible or at a minimum if using them I try and list multiple sources with the same .

Listing the US Congress , DOJ and actual laws of the US as sources would seem pretty clear cut though .

I started out that way, then quickly realized that there are zero good sources right now.

Have to analyze every article from every source in order to confirm or debunk.

Is a big part of the reason that we are in this mess to begin with.

I will use any source, when they do it right, and bash any source when they don't.

Occasionally cnn and tgp do get something right (stopped clock).

No source gets free pass.

originally posted by: opethPA
Backtracking on what?

Your false claim that PA or anyone else(other than AZ) has done any real forensic audits (equating the silly 'risk limiting' audits to forensic audits).

But by all means, continue to obfuscate and pontificate...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: opethPA
Backtracking on what?

Your false claim that PA or anyone else(other than AZ) has done any real forensic audits (equating the silly 'risk limiting' audits to forensic audits).

But by all means, continue to obfuscate and pontificate...

What false claim have I made?

This is literally the only opinion statement I have made on this thread and it's not a claim, "My demarcation on if its a forensic audit or not would be did they follow the laws around such matters and according to what I can read on PA they did. It doesn't sound like the relevant laws require 100% or 80% or some high number of ballots but I'm going to research what that % is and when those laws were put into place."


Believe me, there are plenty of forensic audit claims on this site form multiple posters but I focus on facts that can be researched.
For example these are in this thread from other users:

1. "Forensic Audit Report delayed until "Next" Friday."
2. Literally the title of this thread is ,"Finally! Forensic Election Audit in Maricopa County (AZ) Begins Next Week"



Seems your fight is with the US Congress and laws of this country as that is where a silly risk limiting audit comes from.

a reply to: opethPA


"Seems your fight is with the US Congress and laws of this country as that is where a silly risk limiting audit comes from"


Yes, and state governments.

And folks on the left using the above and msm to prevent anyone from looking at the actual ballots.

This is 100% of the problem.

100%

Would not be in this mess at all if above wasn't true.

And resolving this by forcing actual audits is the only solution to get us out of this mess.

Has NOTHING to do with any party or candidate.

And is not unique to 2020.

2020 just provided an extreme example that gave folks pushing for audits since motor voter more traction to get them.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
And folks on the left using the above and msm to prevent anyone from looking at the actual ballots.

If the laws are the laws and supported by both parties then how is it the left and MSM using those laws to prevent anything?

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit
And folks on the left using the above and msm to prevent anyone from looking at the actual ballots.

If the laws are the laws and supported by both parties then how is it the left and MSM using those laws to prevent anything?

A better question is why.

But not to get into another 'if' claim.

Way beyond obvious at this point.

One side is pushing for audits in EVERY state for EVERY election until shenanigans are ended and confidence in elections is restored.

The other side says 'nothing to see here' and uses every legal and.extra legal tactic to prevent anyone from looking at the ballots.

Denying this only makes one look foolish.



The ballots are the ballots.

Why are democrats so insistent that nobody can ever look at them?

originally posted by: opethPA
So to be clear, you are claiming the NCLS are biased and the Arizona Central links are biased?

Biased? Definitely - but also corrupt to their core.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: opethPA
So to be clear, you are claiming the NCLS are biased and the Arizona Central links are biased?

Biased? Definitely - but also corrupt to their core.

Am saying that NCLS rules are being used to prevent anyone from looking at the ballots by CLAIMING that they result in 'audits'.

That aren't actually auditing anything except that 2% of the ballots that dominion recorded, actually exist.

Not useful at all.

Is exactly why democrats don't want to change NCLS or go farther than what they prescribe.


And that AZCentral has been been leading the media deception on audits since day 1, and continues to this day.

Is my local paper, and I read it daily.

(Might have noticed that I will almost never use them as source on anything)

AZCentral's intentionally deceptive reporting is repeated nationwide by other outlets.

Much of the audit propaganda that we have debunked here, initially started at AZCentral.



I don't say 'corrupt' for reasons of effectiveness.

That word doesn't appear to bother democrats at all.

Call out the propaganda, election cheating, or call them liars though (the methods used by the corrupt), and they damn near lose their minds.

It is only when this happens that their nonsense becomes obvious to everyone, and only when this happens, that some of them are able to open their eyes for the first time.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: opethPA
So to be clear, you are claiming the NCLS are biased and the Arizona Central links are biased?

Biased? Definitely - but also corrupt to their core.

Sure just about every news org is biased ..CNN, TheGatewayPundit , take your pick.

Why do you think the NCLS are biased and corrupt to their core?

originally posted by: opethPA

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: opethPA
So to be clear, you are claiming the NCLS are biased and the Arizona Central links are biased?

Biased? Definitely - but also corrupt to their core.

Sure just about every news org is biased ..CNN, TheGatewayPundit , take your pick.

Why do you think the NCLS are biased and corrupt to their core?

Because what started as a good first step a long time ago, is now being used as a weapon by democrats to help them prevent anyone from actually looking at the ballots.



Do you allow people to give you just any piece of paper when paying you the $1000.00 they owe?

Count 50 pieces of paper and call it $1000.00.

Or do you at least want the papers to look like 20 dollar bills?

So you have to at least look at them once to determine, right?

All of them, right?

Or do you only look at one of the papers?

2%

And the rest could be green crayon on walmart receipts.




Can I borrow a grand?

I have green crayons.

originally posted by: Nunyabizisit

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Charliebrowndog
a reply to: Nunyabizisit

A lot of this depends on whether or not the EOs that were signed by Trump towards the end of his Administration are in fact serious and were acted upon.

The E.O.'s won't contain the critical parts of what may be going on, as they cannot be kept secret. However, P.E.A.D.'s can be kept secret, so, if Trump signed any of those, they would contain the more important and interesting stuff.

EOs do not supersede state election laws.

So the online rumors can not be true.

Some Interesting reading on PEADs.

I'm going to say that this is still on topic, due to the fact that efforts to block election sunshine have not been fully explained or justified, and we are speculating that secret government orders to protect "national security" may be in effect.

www.brennancenter.org...

As one recent government document describes them, they are designed “to implement extraordinary presidential authority in response to extraordinary situations.”

For starters, PEADs are always kept secret.

PEADs are classified “secret,” and no PEAD has ever been declassified or leaked. Indeed, it appears that they are not even subject to congressional oversight. Although the law requires the executive branch to report even the most sensitive covert military and intelligence operations to at least some members of Congress, there is no such disclosure requirement for PEADs, and no evidence that the documents have ever been shared with relevant congressional committees.

Although PEADs themselves remain a well-kept secret, over the years a number of unclassified or de-classified documents have become available that discuss PEADs. Through these documents, we know that there were 56 PEADs in effect as of 2018, up from 48 a couple of decades earlier. PEADs undergo periodic revision; although we do not know what PEADs contain today, we know that PEADs in past years— authorized detention of “alien enemies” and other “dangerous persons” within the United States; suspended the writ of habeas corpus by presidential order; provided for various forms of martial law; issued a general warrant permitting search and seizure of persons and property; established military areas such as those created during World War II; suspended production of the Federal Register; declared a State of War; and authorized censorship of news reports.