As birth rates fall, animals prowl in our abandoned 'ghost villages'

article postulates that depopulation is leading to more rural / 'empty' places, being filled by wildlife.

www.theguardian.com...

Rural abandonment on a large scale is one factor that has contributed to the recent resurgence of large carnivores in Europe: lynx, wolverines, brown bears and wolves have all seen increases in their populations over the last decade. In Spain, the Iberian wolf has rebounded from 400 individuals to more than 2,000, many of which are to be found haunting the ghost villages of Galicia, as they hunt wild boar and roe deer – whose numbers have also skyrocketed. A brown bear was spotted in Galicia last year for the first time in 150 years.

I'm sure a lot of this is from rural people, especially the young, going to the cities.

It's been my experience that in the USA urbanites with sufficient means often retire to rural areas.

anyone with experience / local news on wild animals expanding their habitats?

coyotes are notorious for expanding in the Northeast.

a reply to: ElGoobero

Wait- I thought there was TOO much population. The earth can’t sustain the number of people on this planet, they tell us.

Which is it?

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: ElGoobero

Wait- I thought there was TOO much population. The earth can’t sustain the number of people on this planet, they tell us.

Which is it?

Actually all first world countries are having a steep decline in birth rates. Very steep.

Even China who opened up to 2 child families can't convince people to have a second child and the government is worried.

Japan has entire ghost villages.

The prediction for world population is that it will begin to decline anywhere from 9 years from now to 20 years from now.

That is what the unfettered immigration is all about. We are stealing young people from 3rd world countries.

Socialist/communist nations are the hardest hit with a growing excess of elderly and a dearth of babies and young people to pay for the care promised to the elderly.

Any wonder a virus began in China with the worst problem of too many elderly and not enough young to support them popped up overnight killing mostly useless eaters (people who eat up socialist/communist resources and don't give back in taxes).

Anyway, open borders is all about stealing young people from 3rd world nations to pay the bills for social programs promised to the elderly. When depopulation hits the entire world, these poor countries will get even poorer because they will lack young healthy workers to pay for and take care of the elderly.

Probably COVID has accelerated depopulation, but mainly of the elderly and chronically ill that cost the socialist/communist countries too much to keep around.

www.irishtimes.com...

www.pop.org...

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: ElGoobero

Wait- I thought there was TOO much population. The earth can’t sustain the number of people on this planet, they tell us.

Which is it?

The problem has never been about there being "too many people", it's always been about too many people gathering together and stressing the environment in that region beyond nature's ability to sustain them.

Essentially, over urbanization, rather than over population.

Most of the world is either unpopulated or sparsely populated, but there are certain areas where too many people are living. They use more water than can be supplied through rain or snow melt. They deplete the soil through industrialized agriculture and trying to get too many harvests out of each season, and the pump toxins into the air at a faster rate than they can dissipate or be neutralized through natural means.

Take countries like India and China that have extreme problems with pollution. In China there is an average of 138 people per square KM. That means that the vast majority of the country is empty. But in cities like Shanghai there are almost 4000 people per square KM. Most of the population gathers together in a few places so their pollution is concentrated in a small area.

originally posted by: ElGoobero
anyone with experience / local news on wild animals expanding their habitats?

Our friend who has a villa in Tuscant that we visit occasionally warned us the first time we were there that when hiking or on a path in the woods to not wander off because they have a huge boar population. They also have a ton of vipers but those were intentionally dropped in.

Where I am, only 10 miles out of NYC, we have a good amount of coyotes now, they're on the golf course a few blocks from my house all the time. They should get a job caddying.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

See? We're even moving the goalposts on this one now.

I'm old enough and with a good memory. It very much was that there were too many people, not just too many in some places.

Now that it can't be hidden that people aren't breeding out of control like they projected we always would, they've shifted the goalposts.

It's like Global Warming, I mean Climate Change, I mean man-caused disasters.

Nature, btw, is just doing what she do.

We imposed hunting restrictions and it was only a matter of time before populations rebounded and animals started pushing back in to their old ranges. They lived their before and nothing keeps them from living there again.

It has less to do with an intolerance of us than most people think. Many animals are highly adaptable and able to tolerate a surprising level of human presence.

I read you can fit the entire world's population in the state of texas

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
we have a good amount of coyotes now

I think the drop will accelerate due to young people now being too covid afraid of hooking up with others, never mind not many venues to meet.

Masks have become the new underwear and people are now yucky.

Population is dropping because you can afford to raise kids now or just don't want to give up excess luxuries to do so.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Population is dropping because you can afford to raise kids now or just don't want to give up excess luxuries to do so.

Not to mention the culture craziness ... Who wants to send off a perfectly normal kid and get back one in a panic because he or she doesn't know what sex they are or who feels guilty over their skin color?

originally posted by: Mark08
I read you can fit the entire world's population in the state of texas

It's still true.

a reply to: ElGoobero

Well, I've had a moose in my yard a few times already this winter and I'm in the middle of a city of 300,000. We had a lynx a few years back that decimated the local cat population. Had a brown bear go through behind our house about ten years ago. Sometimes we get moose downtown walking around.

Alaska is different. We welcome our animal overlords. We coexist with them willingly. Sometimes we eat them or make coats, hats or gloves out of them.

Animals do just fine around people. It's a matter of respect. Although we did have a guy about 15 years ago who vociferously wanted all the moose and bears killed. He was afraid of them and liked to pen letters to the editor.

Just don't pet the moose and respect their space.

Yeah, the trend in the US is to get the heck out of cities unless you're forced to be there for work. Although you have those who think nature is dirty and prefer living in sardine cans fighting off the rats that feed on the mountains of refuse in the alleys.

Rats, both human and animal seem to congregate in the big cities. It's no way to live. I think the animals are smart to stay away from most cities. I think the trend here is opposite of the UK. People are trying to escape to the country and get away from crime and gangs.

I just watched the documentary that David Attenborough came out with last year. Called A life on Our planet. It was quite interesting, and he did bring up this notion that we need to make the world more "wild", which included reducing population slowly over time. Afterwards it started to make me think. And I sort of tied together what I do for a living, and the current housing market in this area.
Toronto, is increasing it's high rise dwellings significantly over the next few years, and so are a lot of American cities. We have some big contracts coming up to build some rather large condos and and entire complex's of work / live / retail.

a reply to: ketsuko
Totally nailed it on the head.
Overpopulation was going to destroy everything, pretty sure it was even taught in school.

The decreasing birth rate is not solely related to people choosing to postpone parenthood.

The research is not consistent to why, but it is fairly consistent that 10 to 12 percent of those that desire to have a child are not physically able to do so. It is blamed on environmental causes, age related causes, and lifestyle, or maybe a combination of causes.

I think the landscape is changing though, because I live in what was once a very rural area, but we are getting squeezed into suburbia, and will soon be completely swallowed up.

I will soon be looking for on those abandoned areas, but it looks like I am going to have to do some serious traveling to find one.

originally posted by: KansasGirl
a reply to: ElGoobero

Wait- I thought there was TOO much population. The earth can’t sustain the number of people on this planet, they tell us.

Which is it?

Short as I can make it and keep it making sense.

After the French revolution were were calls to cull the excess population in many nations for fear of further French Revolution style uprising's, the ELITE of the day felt the guillotine at there neck's, in the UK this Excess population was dealt with by exporting them to other parts of the world and France also did this despite being the very nation were Liberty, Fraternity and Equality had been the founding principles of there republic thus showing the new elite that then ruled to be utter hypocrites.

This was the period most close that laid the ground for what we face today.

By the 1900's population was growing, despite the industrial revolution having caused vast swathes of the populations of rural areas to move into urban areas in order to take advantage of the jobs in mining, textiles and other factory's of the industrial period the family unit was large enough that despite incredible levels of infant mortality across the entire populace that villages and rural areas survived and this despite the often short life span of the working class.

With the outset of WW1 some saw it as an excellent opportunity to send vast numbers of excess workers to fight and die so as to reduce there numbers and this vile and utterly evil attitude of a small but very elite group was only exacerbated by Bolshevik revolution which returned to this later generation the spectre of the Guillotine and once again struck fear of the people into there hearts so they prolonged the war as long as they could and it only ended when the Germans almost collapsed unable to sustain there armies any longer.

Though a huge number of men had died the calls for social reform grew especially during the 1920's recession when Communists even grew to huge numbers within the United States resulting in several massacres of poor and unemployed men calling for right's, jobs and government help in episodes washed over and ignored by most modern Americans especially following the concerted and extremely successful effort to brainwash the US public into believing that anything socialist is evil, even to the point were some of them find it uncomfortable to face certain Christian passages from the new testament which are of course the probably TRUE origins of social ideology and justice for the poor.

By the 1950's after the second world war (When they had been forced in most of the victorious allies nations to build housing for war veterans and help them get there lives back on track culminating in the UK in the establishment of a very British welfare system many experts started to prattle on about the dangers of increasing global population.

By the 1970's they were even making propaganda film's showing a projected spill over from the third world and mass migration they accurately predicted would inundate the first world though they were off by there claims since they at the time claimed it would occur in the late 1970's and the 1980's.

In the hands of certain EXPERT's and under the rule of certain less than ethical governments additives were surreptitiously added to the reservoirs of much of Europe while under the guise of inoculation jabs birth control compound's were administered, this was backed up with cultural engineering.

The result falling birth rate in the first world, diminishing classroom sizes in places such as the UK that even resulted huge numbers of our pre-school's, primary school's and secondary school's closing down due to lack of pupils, further to this falling birth rate also affected the entire economy.

In nations such as Spain and France rural areas were affected by young people no longer wanting to work the land so they moved to the town's and with such low birth rates no children existed to fill the gap they left behind.

All across the former first world there are empty community's, rural areas given over to factory farming practices and small holding's vanished, villages in many nations completely abandoned.

Meanwhile some city's have seen population growth of unprecedented levels BUT that is not down to the native population in places such as the UK but rather down to migration, London for example now has an ethnic majority of NON British origin inhabitants and it is far from alone in Europe.

On the one hand most people don't want the migrants, more people push wages down, rent's up and also alter the culture, religion and traditions of a society.

But on the other hand Company's want these people and Company's OWN the governments more or less so the governments allow them in, even with open arms in some cases in order to provide the expertise there own tradition of national mismanagement has conspired to rob the nation's of while not doing much of anything, if anything at all to fix our own falling birth rates and lack of education for our children though they make big speeches in order to get themselves re-elected and stay on there gravy train's.

Make no mistake our falling population was partially deliberate, clandestine sterilization often without the patients consent, additives in water and food and even the environment we live in that is no longer conducive but instead hostile to children unless you are upper middle class were if anything you have a 2.5 child family at most have all conspired to rob us of our people.

The motives, fear of social revolt, greed and a pure pseudo scientific stupidity.

And in China they had there own motives but it will in the end conspire to destroy there communist system as there failing birth rate will lead to less control by there government not more, meanwhile India is not having this particular problem so expect china in about a hundred years to have an Indian accent and plenty of curry shop's, be funny watching those borders collapse and the new mega state of the east probably being ruled over by India but sadly we most likely won't live long enough to watch the made people of this world make another crazy age.

(And Gates and a few others have TRIED to sterilize the Indian and African Population's, China may even be now trying to sterilize the Africans as they currently have grand ambition's to be the next colonial power to rule over Africa, but with that falling birth rate and population of there's and the fact there current numbers have a severe shelf life problem they will not succeed).


And as always no one asks what is God's plan for all of this?.

Well it's not in favour of that Elite, the MEEK shall inherit the world.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

The decreasing birth rate is not solely related to people choosing to postpone parenthood.

The research is not consistent to why, but it is fairly consistent that 10 to 12 percent of those that desire to have a child are not physically able to do so. It is blamed on environmental causes, age related causes, and lifestyle, or maybe a combination of causes.

this sort of thing rarely results from single / simple causes. the desire to reproduce is very very strong in humans; it takes some doing to slow or stop it.
somebody suggested wealthy societies; lots of young adults, especially males, have other things to do, and birth control is available. a fair amount of young women aren't interested in being mommies these days.

I think the landscape is changing though, because I live in what was once a very rural area, but we are getting squeezed into suburbia, and will soon be completely swallowed up.

I will soon be looking for on those abandoned areas, but it looks like I am going to have to do some serious traveling to find one.

parts of my home state of Merryland are in full growth mode, but other parts are seeing population decline. I wonder if we're not headed for a megacity society.

a reply to: ElGoobero

Sometimes unintentional birth control is a thing?.
nationalvanguard.org...
www.theguardian.com...
The fact is that the Pharmaceutical manufacturers new of this decades before it became a known issue.
So was it all accidental, simply greed or was there a plan at work?.

Probably just greed.
www.dailymail.co.uk...

That said as long ago as the 1940's the allies hatched a plan to try to turn Hitler into a woman or rather a Transsexual by spiking his food with oestrogen.