We Want Neither Peace Nor Unity

a reply to: ketsuko

Even if that poster did, it wouldn't change what is obviously coming. They want to silence nearly all opposition. The ones that remain will be touted as evidence of their fairness.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese
... I thought you would be more relaxed and happy when you all had exactly what you wanted during Obama's terms, but instead you just got angrier and more hateful toward anyone you perceived as your opponents as though we were keeping you from being happy.

This is really a key point! I should have been more clear about this in some of my previous posts elsewhere here. Obama sent this country backwards lightyears in areas such as racism and hatred. He may have been a great orator, but behind the scenes his entire administration was built around hate and division. He never said it outright himself, quite the opposite, but the posture he created was one of pure venomous and seething hatred.

You don't get it. We want to live our lives the way we want to live.

We don't want big, intrusive, tax heavy government programs. We don't want regulation heavy bureaucracy.

We want to be left alone, and in return, we're more than happy to leave you all alone too, and that's pretty much what happened for the past four years. We got less of all of that and more of the ability to leave you all alone to go your own way even as you just got angrier and angrier because we weren't doing what you wanted us to.

Well, let's be clear about what it was "we" didn't do. And this just builds further on the point above. What "we" didn't do was what Obama set the stage for, and this was surrender and redistribute our "ill-gotten" (in their minds) wealth. "We", the middle class, didn't turn over our 401ks, pensions and savings accounts and assets to whomever felt they were entitled to it. What happened was, Obama created a "reparations" mindset in all the left, not just descendants of slaves. Obama expanded the entitlement mindset exponentially!

Let's face it, now the only way they will ever be happy and stop spewing hate is when the middle class surrenders all of its wealth. Nothing short of this will do.

Now you have all you wanted again, and much like with Obama, I don't expect you all to relax but to stay angry and look for ways to dick with ours lives and livelihoods -- more taxes, more regulations, more rules. All of that is less liberty, and we'll get angry because we won't be able to be left alone. We'll have less freedom to take care of our own.

And you'll continue to hate us for not being happy to lose out and you'll continue to be angry because you won't get as much as you want or think you should have.

As noted, they will only be emboldened. Whereas once is was just a request, now it will be a DEMAND. And, when they can't have it for themselves, they will dance in the streets with glee when the government taxes every last cent out of the middle class, which they will view as just punishment. Because, if they can't have it, then we shouldn't either. The fact we earned it, and they didn't, means absolutely nothing.

And the government will get richer, so will the corps, and you'll find ways to blame us for it like you always do.

Yes, unfortunately, they will. Not all of them, but certainly many of them. What's even sadder still is they will take down many of their own in their blinded zeal for retribution. Millions of working middle class democrats, ones who aren't among the entitlement mentality, will go down right alongside the rest of the middle class. Just further proof that they are really only interested in one thing...and this is wealth for free. When they get that, or even if they don't but everyone is reduced to living in a box like they do, then all the rest of their beefs will suddenly vanish like the noise that they are.

There are things in the world worse than war. We are are experiencing what happens when you are not willing to fight.

"We want neither peace nor unity."

I only see one side deplatforming. I never watch CNN, but never thought it should be taken off the air or anyone other conservative for that matter. 1st Amendment makes sense to me.

They have decided to swing for the fences on this, must be a miserable existence these triggered snowflakes live.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Time for an invasion.

Turn Washington DC into a parking lot.

Free the innocent civilians from those evil bastards and from USA sick agendas.

How are those autonomous govt free zones working out in Seattle?

Just saying!! not arguing for, or against.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

The notion that the world is about to turn very hostile.

I'm not entirely sure what tone you intend, but the hatred and contempt ooze through. You're not the only one. We also hear it in the voices of those about to take power. Heck, even Uncle Joe calls us nasty names.

It does nothing to disabuse us of the notion that revenge is coming.

You know.... curently im typing with busted knuckles,and bleeding on the keyboard a bit...i kinda just lost it for a minute y a know...he he... like whats the point right? so what if we have no voice to scream anymore... no eyes to see anymore...no ears to hear anything but meaningless drivel from so called leftist,independents and corpo losers....time to burn the city to the ground samurai.

Take a break brother, I mean that sincerely. This place can wind a person up.

a reply to: vonclod

yeah.. illl take a day off.... have a nice sunday night.

Which is why you're not in power.

You treasonous, traitorous, inhuman trash.

You lose. Democracy wins.

Suck it up you anti American cowards. Bye.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: vonclod

yeah.. illl take a day off.... have a nice sunday night.

You too, I'm going outdoors for awhile.

This is a screen grab of a comment from a poster on a blog. He's referencing Scott Adams of Dilbert fame here, but the points I think are also sound.

The problem is the Constitution. The founding fathers were not crystal ball operators. They wrote the law based on their current experience.

The Constitution gives too much power to Congress. Here's an example:

Section 8

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;


To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;


To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;


To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;


To establish Post Offices and post Roads;




To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;


To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;


To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;


To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;


To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;


To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And


To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Read that last sentence carefully: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Congress can interpret the Constitution virtually any way they want. There are no "checks and balances". It's the best job in the country.

a reply to: Phantom423

Free and fair elections were supposed to be the check and balance.

It's pretty clear we don't have those now.

originally posted by: fencesitter85
Which is why you're not in power.

You treasonous, traitorous, inhuman trash.

You lose. Democracy wins.

Suck it up you anti American cowards. Bye.

Time to visit a hardware store. Your hinges seem loose.

a reply to: loam

Checks and balances, principle of government under which separate branches are empowered to prevent actions by other branches and are induced to share power. Checks and balances are applied primarily in constitutional governments. They are of fundamental importance in tripartite governments, such as that of the United States, which separate powers among legislative, executive, and judicial branches.

And the above obviously is not working.

Why we don't have free and fair elections:

What is the Basis for Congressional Oversight?

Congressional oversight is one of the most important responsibilities of the United States Congress. Congressional oversight refers to the review, monitoring, and supervision of federal agencies, programs and policy implementation, and it provides the legislative branch with an opportunity to inspect, examine, review and check the executive branch and its agencies. The authority of Congress to do oversight is derived from its implied powers in the U.S. Constitution, various laws, and House rules. In affirming Congress' oversight powers, the Supreme Court in McGrain v. Daugherty stated that "the power of inquiry � with process to enforce it � is an essential and appropriate auxiliary to the legislative function." In Watkins v. United States the Court described Congress' oversight power by stating that the "power of the Congress to conduct investigations is inherent in the legislative process. That power is broad." The Supreme Court also observed that "a legislative body cannot legislate wisely or effectively in the absence of information respecting the conditions which the legislation is intended to affect or change." The Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946 mandated that House and Senate committees exercise "continuous watchfulness" of the administration of laws and programs under their jurisdiction. The Legislative Reorganization Act of 1970 permitted House standing committees to "review and study, on a continuing basis, the application, administration and execution of laws" under its jurisdiction.

The problem: No Congressional oversight. I would wager that very few people have even heard of The Office of Congressional Oversight!

The OCE has jurisdiction to investigate any alleged violation of a “law, rule, regulation, or other standard of conduct” committed by a “Member, officer, or employee of the House” on or after March 11, 2008. Information about alleged violations comes to the Board from a range of sources, including the public. After completing the time allowed for its investigation, the OCE Board decides what to recommend to the Committee on Ethics: further review or dismissal. The Committee on Ethics then decides whether to conduct further investigation, impose sanctions, or dismiss the matter. Except when the OCE Board recommends dismissal, the Committee must eventually release the OCE’s report and findings.

oce.house.gov...

It's a complete joke!. The number of cases brought before them is pitifully small and meaningless.

Every time we vote, we're voting for another lawless dictator whether we realize it or not. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on or they're on.

IMO, the conditions outlined in the Constitution to change or amend it are extremely restrictive. In other words, it won't happen. And that's the problem. We're stuck with it whether it works or not.

I don’t feel like this is my country anymore. The way it’s changed so rapidly in just the last 12 years, starting with the Obama administration, has me reeling. The forces corrupting our traditions and values, brainwashing our children, seem too powerful to resist short of armed conflict.

originally posted by: ketsuko

This is a screen grab of a comment from a poster on a blog. He's referencing Scott Adams of Dilbert fame here, but the points I think are also sound.

That seems spot on. Exactly how I feel. What I don’t understand is the level of hatred toward Trump, who really tried to help all Americans, in so many ways. His enemies accused him of crimes, but I don’t know of a single one he committed.

You have one side who is politically correct.
They want open borders
They want to defund the police
They want to help the world before their own citizens.
They kneel for the flag, alter the pledge of allegiance .

The other side you have a conservative approach
Tight borders
Increase police
America first
More flags in classrooms

The left are a dangerous and radical group

originally posted by: Scapegrace
I don’t feel like this is my country anymore. The way it’s changed so rapidly in just the last 12 years, starting with the Obama administration, has me reeling. The forces corrupting our traditions and values, brainwashing our children, seem too powerful to resist short of armed conflict.

You can tell they are pushing their agenda so hard it's beyond sketchy.

And who ever is behind it is a sicko. Real warped sense of the future.