Would you vote by App IF it could be proved safe (Straw Poll)

Just a quick straw poll, rather than an invitation to a wider discussion.

If you were given the option to vote by app, AND there were sufficient safe guards in place that you were personally confident that your vote wouldn't be tampered with (For example, if the app was being monitored by a group that you personally trusted), would you choose to do it?

My jurisdiction boundaries were changed last year, so my local polling station was moved from one 5 minutes walk away to a location right on the edge of town, and completely out of my way.

Voting in person went form being easy to being a chore.

IF there was an app that I could use to vote, AND I was confident that it was safe to use, I'd 100% vote by app.

Sure, just as safe and secure as the rest of this mess. There would even be a way to utilize the blockchain to secure a personal voter id to a ballot, and it is totally secure unless there needs to be an audit.

I'd feel more comfortable if it was an online option.

We took the census online.

I see no reason we can't vote in the same manner.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

clap-o-meter is the way forward...



Peace

Would you vote by App IF it could be proved safe

That and unicorns are mythical.
They don't exist .

Nothing hooked to the internet is safe.

originally posted by: Gothmog

Would you vote by App IF it could be proved safe

That and unicorns are mythical.
They don't exist .

This^^^

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Can I post a selfie at the same time?

a reply to: AaarghZombies

An app? Thats the least secure of anything!!

See above A.M.'s post. Nailed it

a reply to: AaarghZombies

No.

Much harder to add 1 million PAPER ballots than it is to flip digits on an IT system. Recounts on paper are more secure also, all else being equal.

Ars Technica recently ran articles on this:

Why experts are overwhelmingly skeptical of online voting.

Why online voting is harder than online banking.

When this crowd says something's a bad idea, it's a bad idea.

There's also the matter of who determines an app is suitable. Will it be open source, with a leap of faith that code is actually used in the app? Will "experts" from both parties smile & wink and assure us everything's fine? Who pays the bug bounties, so flaws don't remain the little secrets of state actors?

So sure, in a perfect world I'd use the app. But in this world I still want to see my physical ballot go into the locked box.

I didn't realize there was a problem with paper ballots. I mean, is there?

What's the incessant push to digitize voting?

Other than convenience, I don't see the need to change anything.

originally posted by: Kocag
Nothing hooked to the internet is safe.

It's a hypothetical, it only needs to be safe to your satisfaction. I'm interested to know if you'd vote by app if you had the option to do so.

originally posted by: EternalShadow
I didn't realize there was a problem with paper ballots. I mean, is there?

What's the incessant push to digitize voting?

Other than convenience, I don't see the need to change anything.

As I said in the OP, it's just gotten inconvenient for me.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

No, as someone who works in information security there is no way to make an app that is 100% safe from tampering. That's both internal and external tampering.

Edit: as you said to a poster above, it's hypothetical, would you use one to vote or not. The only way I would use one if it could be proven to be 100% safe, which is an impossibility. Hence again, no I would not use one, and would do everything I could with my security research experience to expose security loopholes in the process in order to get it delegitimized.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: EternalShadow
I didn't realize there was a problem with paper ballots. I mean, is there?

What's the incessant push to digitize voting?

Other than convenience, I don't see the need to change anything.

As I said in the OP, it's just gotten inconvenient for me.

Voting is TOO important to be compromised by something as silly as being "inconvenienced".

That mentality has screwed up so much in this country already as people will gladly dump privacy, freedom and anonymity so they don't have to metaphorically "tie their shoe laces".

In another thread a poster commented something along the lines of not needing "a solution to a non-existent problem that no one asked to be solved".

I couldn't agree more about certain highly sensitive processes in this country.

NO

Call me old-fashioned, but I just believe that if you do not care enough to vote in person (exceptions for the elderly/infirm), you don't deserve to have a say in who leads our country.