The 12th Amendment Variable, Pence Can Make Trump Win.

All Trump has to do is present information to the state legislative's that make them feel the vote was corrupted, then the 12th Amendment which favors the governing party with the VP happens.

State legislatures have the constitutional authority to conclude that the popular vote has been corrupted and thus send a competing slate of electors on behalf of their state. The 12th Amendment to the Constitution specifies that the “President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.” That means that in the case of disputes about competing electoral slates, the President of the Senate—Vice President Pence—would have the ultimate authority to decide which to accept and which to reject. Pence would choose Trump. Democrats would appeal to the Supreme Court, and they would lose, we know this.

Alternatively, if at that point, no candidate has the required 270 electoral votes, the 12th Amendment stipulates, “the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote.” GOP has the majority there, and Trump wins again.

The 12th Amendment, and historical precedent offer a credible, stealthy, winding road that could lead to Trump’s victory and a second term for somebody who refuses to give up and fight until the bitter end. Biden should be worried, but he might be in a echo chamber of support.

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

In my opinion, that would be bad. If Trump can't prove fraud, and get courts to agree there was fraud and how much of it, he needs to step down.

I understand what was done to him and how wrong it was, but he needs closure the right way, or he needs to hand Biden the golden facemask and walk away.

a reply to: network dude

I hear you, but from Trumps perspective he was illegally sabotaged for his entire first term, using every available legal avenue to retain power is fully justified from his perspective.

Whatever happens is bad for America now, as the country will be even more divided than in 2016.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
All Trump has to do is present information to the state legislative's that make them feel the vote was corrupted, then the 12th Amendment which favors the governing party with the VP happens.

State legislatures have the constitutional authority to conclude that the popular vote has been corrupted and thus send a competing slate of electors on behalf of their state. The 12th Amendment to the Constitution specifies that the “President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.” That means that in the case of disputes about competing electoral slates, the President of the Senate—Vice President Pence—would have the ultimate authority to decide which to accept and which to reject. Pence would choose Trump. Democrats would appeal to the Supreme Court, and they would lose, we know this.

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The 12th Amendment, and historical precedent offer a credible, stealthy, winding road that could lead to Trump’s victory and a second term for somebody who refuses to give up and fight until the bitter end. Biden should be worried, but he might be in a echo chamber of support.

1. Trump would have to do more than present “information”; he would have to produce evidence. He doesn’t have any. If he did, his lawyers would already have presented it in the dozen or so frivolous law suits that have already been thrown out of court. Yesterday, the judge hearing one of the cases asked Trump’s lawyers point blank, “Are you alleging that fraud occurred?” They said no. That’s because they would probably get disbarred if they made a Knowingly false claim.

2. In cases where states send competing slates of electors to the Senate, the Vice President, serving as the President of the Senate presides over the opening and counting procedures; he doesn’t decide the outcome. If he did, there would actually be no reason to send the issue to the Senate at all. The seating of slates of electors is decided by a vote in the Senate and 4 Republican Senators have already said they believe Biden has won the election. They may actually have taken that position In order to cut off this option.

a reply to: 1947boomer

He doesn’t have any.

Why do people keep saying that.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The election was on the third. How long do you think it would take to gather all the information about the rigging?

. Yesterday, the judge hearing one of the cases asked Trump’s lawyers point blank, “Are you alleging that fraud occurred?” They said no. That’s because they would probably get disbarred if they made a Knowingly false claim.

Can you present evidence where the dozen or so cases where thrown out of court? Do you have unbiased sources for that claim?

a reply to: 1947boomer
Look, I would be very surprised if Trump were to win in his lawsuits and change the results of the election, mostly because I don't think they would let him win. However, I keep seeing this exchange between his lawyer and the judge as evidence that they are knowingly in the wrong. Couldn't it be that the lawyer said no because they have not yet been afforded the ability to examine the evidence? They are staying that republican watchers were not allowed to observe as was their right and duty. They didn't witness fraud because they didn't get to witness anything. They weren't allowed to. They can't allege fraud occurred, but it doesn't mean they don't suspect it occurred.