Strange Super Spreaders?

Hey, can you summarize the super spreader phenom with a couple details? Examples? Or link?

To have a decent exchange of information we must define the terms, correct? Some of us aren't up to speed on the deeper aspects of the phenomena and might have something to contribute, like a real life example, if it was explained properly.

I don't want your whim to share wasted, sir.

a reply to: Baddogma

As I recall, what I'm calling the 'strange spreader phenomenon' was
discussed in "Messengers of Deception" and perhaps one other book.
JV did not use that term specifically, but that was the sense of it.

The reason that I'm using the term, is that at times in my life, it
felt like (could be simple delusion) that I was co-existing with
either a parasite, a symbiote, or yes, a 'worm'. The worm sensation
can be quite spectacular and mind-blowing.

I'm also using the term, because our 'friends' in spy-based UFOlogy,
and 'the ranch' had plenty of biologists, parasitologists, etc on their
staff, and not anything to do with 'UFOs'. Of course there is also
talk of things like Mad Cow Disease, toxic fungus, and
Toxoplasmosis between people associated with such projects.

So I put together JV's experiences, my own experiences, and
known links to shadowy organizations and coined the phrase.

Insofar as my 'whim'; I do not wish to delude anyone.. so I'm
loathe to speak in too definitive a manner. It's functionally
impossible to discuss the purported core nature of reality and not
to hurt vulnerable personalities, such as are found on ATS
and in so many places.

It took me years and years to rescue myself from my own
delusions, and now I just talk about possibilities... and
I'm not ashamed of that.. most of modern science would
have gotten us burned as a witch 300 year ago.. and 'reality'
is much stranger than we know.

I'm not an expert on any of this stuff either.. just a beginner
who has rescued their own sanity.

All that said, I AM fascinated t hat while the 100th monkey
syndrome seems BS, and a shared, human mythological core
that easily spreads such things also seems to be BS.. and
even simple empathy and 'telepathy' seems BS, there
does seem to be a symbiote/parasite/worm angle at play
here.. or simply the appearance of such a thing.. but in
rare cases there does seem to be real information transfer
and / or the apparent hacking of the known laws of physics.

I was really intending to keep this topic at a high level, for
purposes of stimulating conversation, not to spread any
infection myself.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I spent 30 years or so studying that topic.

It's a rough one, determining which parts are true and
which parts are self-delusion.

Though insofar as I know, the 'collective consciousness'
is transmitted via hormones and other neurochemicals
capable of crossing the blood brain barrier, not a virus.

That's an interesting thought however; it needs research.

I have an interest in the subject as well, and a leaning towards the 'symbiotic inclusion' for my own reasons.

"Determining which parts are true and which are self delusion" - I agree is difficult. Mystification muddies the waters and causes confusion.

But I think what you said earlier about the principal of how sitting with another person can change us is worth considering here too. It would work both ways. Getting to know each other would perhaps be full of misunderstandings.

As for a possible viral connection. Well if one looks at a virus from the perspective of the virus being a tool that inserts a package into target cells, there are possibilities. One just has to look past the initial infection and immune response to what can be accomplished by altering the cells.

Have you experienced 'kundalini snakes' in your own body?
Upper ones? Lower ones? Gold ones? Silver ones? Ones
that cause an excretion to run down the throat or over
the outside of the face?

No, not the things you mention.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

In one way or another, everything is information transfer
between complex, many times 'living systems'.

The body is full of complex systems, that our own minds
don't fully comprehend, and in many ways, 'mysticism'
at least forms like hatha yoga are simply learning to
communicate to non-standard intelligences in your
own body (not demons.. organs.. nerve cells in the
stomach and things of that nature).

The body has a great deal of organic intelligence in it,
and is like a canvas.. it seems that other types of intelligence
may use our bodies / canvases.. to communicate as well.

Our 'brains' are mostly ignored.. why this is.. is a long
topic of discussion.

Are you willing to share anything about your background?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The body is full of complex systems, that our own minds
don't fully comprehend, and in many ways, 'mysticism'
at least forms like hatha yoga are simply learning to
communicate to non-standard intelligences in your
own body (not demons.. organs.. nerve cells in the
stomach and things of that nature).

The body has a great deal of organic intelligence in it,
and is like a canvas.. it seems that other types of intelligence
may use our bodies / canvases.. to communicate as well.

I might be able to contribute something to the discussion here. I don't know much except what I know.

Hatha Yoga probably goes a little deeper than the cells and organs. I presume the kundalini yoga is entwined with the Hatha; it seems so.

If one 'meditates' on the hatha yoga 'pranic channels' and in particular the so-called spinal channel, one may see an interesting thing. The 'channels' are simply pipes in practice, and similar to the arteries with one major difference.

Where the interior of the artery has one way valves, in place of valves the interior of the 'channel' has (in the language of household water plumbing) "flow reduction washers". These "washers" reduce the flow through the "pipes" to about five percent of what it could be.

One should add at this point that the 'channels' of hatha yoga are solid on their "level" and organic looking. Organic enough to refer to the "washers" as "hymens" (as in a maiden's . . . ).

That is to say the "washers" are expendable, and not necessary to functioning of the system, where are the valves of the arteries are necessary.

The point of this explanation is; in the spinal channel of a lot of people there are torn "washers" in the lower part of their spinal channel.

The mystics might say the fires have burned their way up the spine. I don't think so. The damage is consistent with what was called in the old days; deflowering. The walls of the pipe are not damaged, only the restriction washers.

That is to say something moved through the channel breaking the membranes.

This system also seems to obey fluid dynamics, at least as I understand household plumbing.

The rest is deductive reasoning. Those channels, particularly where the restrictions are not found, might be where one may find some of those non-standard intelligences. What would happen where someone had all the channels opened to full flow along with a suitable non-standard intelligence, well I don't really know. Probably something scarily spectacular.

I don't know the history or purpose, or much more for that matter. My guess is an old science from days bygone is needed to really understand it.

I hope everyone could follow.

Are you willing to share anything about your background?

Only that I don't actually have a background to share, not in the conventional sense. No degrees, no mystical societies or anything like that. Nobody special really.

I am a super spreader. Every group or place i am in makes peope lower their workforce and various mishaps happen.

But thats just honesty and being myself. Even tho all say i am a troll online when i behave the same way irl. But irl people hide their own views while online they eage om forever so when you stirr the pot irl things get to spread.

I personally think people like me can get under the skin of others and force what we see on them unconciously or fully counciously so. At the end they end up being paranoid and delusional with things we consider normal.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

if these things have always been in us, they define us, they are us we are them!
i once had a telling dream where i was being chased around a house that was dark
and dirty, and clean and bright, one half to the other around this house by something
i couldnt see but i knew something was chasing me, then i looked in the mirror and
instead of my face there was a gargoyle like demon blob, is best i can describe it,
like the green man sculpture in Roslyn chapel would be close to its description.

i felt deep anger at this sight in the mirror, and attacked, as soon as i jumped
at the mirror i woke up.
with the thought what if you kill the thing in you that makes you who you are.

we have been conditioned by our environment our peers and experiences...
and these are all all married with our unconscious, what we seek and how we act.
all situations arise from thought and all thought has the unconscious underlying it.

so maybe making the unconscious conscious is part of our evolution, but what does that mean?

anyway ATS just got a lot more interesting now you're back.

cheers

a reply to: OutTheBox

Neat.I once had sleep demon. Ya know, when you are half asleep an you see a monster next to you or on top of you?


So, i saw it and tried to hug it. Was dissapointed it disapeared and was a dream.

I have probably said enough; I hope it is some food for thought.

It was an odd coincidence; I haven't read ATS for quite some time and the day I do on a whim I see this thread.

I think the parasitologists, geneticists and the like in UFO related places are simply in plain view, people perhaps got confused expecting something else.

For those guys to be there suggests they have something - the nature of the team gives clues to what they found.

Politely bowing out. All the best Kev.

a reply to: ZeroFurrbone

if you didnt want it to disappear you should have fed it fear... not love.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

you gave the classical new age rendition of the ancient
knowledge.

Your 'little limiters' explanation is generally called either
the 'disks covering the chakras' by Leadbetter, or a passing
reference to the 'granthas'. The 'granthas' actually have
a bit of reality to them, but not in the way so portrayed.

Surely you know, that hardly 1 person in 1 million knows
any of that kundalini legend you shared there...

and there may be just a couple in the world who may
actually know the reality of it.

Kundalini lore is actually a dangerous trap, as 'She'
is the mother of poison and deception. Even 'her'
own lore is full of it.

I'm not saying 'the goddess kundalini' like the adherents
say is actually real or not real.. nothing is either real or
not real.. but of mixture of both.. including atoms and
galaxies.

Yah, I'm nobody either.. I don't even really exist.

a reply to: OutTheBox

We are the unconscious mind for something else... our
bodies.. our nervous systems.. our culture..

chew on that one, and see if it brings you any
creative results.

a reply to: NobodySpecial268

as you wish.. take care... i'll be bowing out soon too.

Kev

a reply to: OutTheBox

Fear generates cortisol which acts as a conduit between
the lower body where *something* co-evolved with us..
and sends information across the blood brain barrier
to our brains, where that information flow is generally
denied access.

It's why "UFOs' 'angels/demons/fairies' always cause
fear and awe...to trigger that biochemical flow..
and the resulting brain access.

It's also why, to 'raise the kundalini' you redirect
your sexual urges and 'retain'.

This causes some of those same hormones to cross
the blood brain barrier.

Even pornography has it's role.

While people may have abandoned the old ways,
the old ways never abandoned us.. they simply
learned to trigger us new ways.. with 'UFOs'

'UFOs' are designed to baffle the intellect.. which
shuts off part of the rational mind, the same parts
of the rational mind that various mystical
practices do..

But please.. do not focus upon whether beings exist
or do not exist. That is a dead end.

There's some sort of information flow that wishes to
flow, using these principles.. that's part us.. and part
an emergent property.

If you believe in aliens or 'beings' you will go insane..
it's one of the real secrets of living in the bunny hole
full time.. not to believe in 'beings'.. as that is what
drives one insane. (the wise call it 'eating the
Kundalini.. do not 'eat the Kundalini').

Rather believe in physics.. in rationality.. in creative
thought.. in quantum indeterminacy.. or do not
formulate it even that far..

but i'm mostly retired from the bunny hole even..
eventually you see that there is no difference
between being or not being 'in the bunny hole'.

Anyway..

May your reality be as pleasant.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

We are the unconscious mind for something else.

Ha I like the way you put that
Are we the unconscious mind of the subconscious
Does the subconscious mediate the unconscious only allowing the conscious to manifest what it seeks. If the subconscious can make order from chaos, then we are consciously creating order from chaos by acting on instincts, intuitions and feelings etc to build our futures. But it would seem much of the world is in a state of fear and confusion... Being forced by a rationale to be irrational.
Washing hands for example with alcohol destroys naturally occurring oils that strengthen your immune system.
I don't watch news but I see headlines, specifics.
So if we are emanations of a whole acting out different parts, what does that mean for the big picture according to the globe at the minute??

Do you think the big guys goat a cold haha

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear
Cheers
No as much believe in these energies but when I have experiences they are fleeting always because I get scared or serious.
Do you think it would be better to remain conscious when you "Fall" into trance or to leave the body as such yet consciously aware.
The fear is because it would become real. Instead of their possibly being a great unconscious unsolvable unknown that can be traversed. Its real and its unknown. Although making known what you will doesn't stop thoughts like, what have I unconsciously released here, that may be attached to me.

a reply to: OutTheBox

for the conscious mind and the unconscious mind to become
more available to each other, the 'rational mind' must become
either shut off or become insane.

I don't actually recommend anyone muck about with 'magic'.

If the 'universe' forces you into madness and recovery, for it's
own purposes, then you have you choice. But even then, that
doesn't make anyone special.. it just makes them insane.

I know how it sounds like I consider the 'universe' sentient;
but that is also a trap..

now, we know that pieces of it are sentient (sort of), and that is
us.

Just consider anything I say as a metaphor, that's safer.

If you want to break the boundaries, you have to become insane..
either in a somewhat skilled manner, or you go coo coo for cocoa
puffs. The old genius and insanity motif you know.

fun to talk about; best avoided.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yeah traps are everywhere for sure, swing from the rationale to the irrational, controlled madness with a narrator.
I don't believe anything ultimately

But entertain ideas to the extent that they leave impressions, what ever one's stick the hardest come back in some shape of form by association, attraction.. Synchronicity.
But at the end of the day I can turn any concept entertaining space in my head off like a light.
Mostly! Still a work in progress.
Cheers for giving me different angles.

a reply to: ColeYounger
I believe this to be true. I feel this “presence” all the time. I believe it’s some kind of evil force, entity
, energy, or a force that gets energy, or “food” from our suffering, hatred, and pain.