Labour suspends Jeremy Corbyn over reaction to anti-Semitism report

a reply to: LABTECH767

My politics aren't left or right.
I refuse to allow ideologies dictate how I see things.

I try my best to view everything free from the restrictions of party allegiance and ideological bias.

Sure, on some issues I'm pretty 'leftist' leaning and I guess some would be considered right-wing.
On some issues my opinions reflect neither.....they are simply how I see it.

In my heart I will always be an Anarchist.....but life experiences have taught me that unfortunately that's just an idyllic pipe dream; there will always be people seeking to manipulate and exploit other people for their own benefits.

Over the years I have been involved in several local and national issues and have been approached to join a number of party's and organisations.
I could never join anything like that.

I passionately believe the party political system has far out lived its fit for purpose and that we need urgent and radical reform of our electoral and parliamentary processes and procedures.

But I realise that I'm very much in the minority.
People seem to be unwilling and/or incapable of thinking that there are any alternatives to the current system.

Proof of how unfit our current system is can be seen by the quality of people who are rising to the tope of the system; David Cameron, Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn, Boris Johnson, Keir Starmer.....hardly an intellectual giant or political genius amongst them.
Au contraire, each and every one of them can only be best described as mediocre and the party's they represent lack any sort of vision or even desire to move this country forward in any significant manner.....they are wrapped up in preserving the status quo and by extension their place at the trough.

But I digress.

a reply to: Freeborn

I get were you are coming from, I am not an anarchist but want to change the system from within, however on occasion throughout history a revolt has been the only way to disenfranchise elite's that have monopolised power for themselves.

That said I am also on some matter pretty right wing, not hardcore but over that side and on other's I am very left but not absolutely left.

I am at heart a Christian, for me Communism was just a thing that stole Christian ideas and then FORCED itself onto them while hypocritically filling the pockets of it's leaders.

As an example in the early Church - which was not an organization but a gathering of people not priests, nun's, monk's, bishop's etc the early Christians they were called servants and shepherds and were NOT the Church just part of it and the flock was the church - wealth was shared in common, members whom worked put there earnings into a central kitty and as was needed people were given so that all were clothed, all were fed and all contributed to the common good.

The Church was never meant to be FORCED onto people however it was an optional and a choice to live for the coming world instead of this one, Capitalism is about THIS one, Communism ended up being a state of Limbo, Slavery and forced stripping of wealth to uphold a new elite called the party whom were atheist, inhumane and cruel,. Gulags mass murders and war were a part of that hideous invention.

As for Capitalism it is about selfishness first and foremost, winning the rat race and no matter how much a person may want off the treadmill there is no way off of it other than rejecting this world in it's entirety as the early Church did.

Ananias and Sapphira are two people whom lied about there wealth, they could have said we will keep one back openly but they lied and that is why they literally dropped dead, the early church while in this world straddled the place between this world and a higher realm were the rules are very different and much stricter, they lied to the holy spirit and fell dead for keeping money aside for themselves.

But the Church we know today, the vast palaces of bishop's, the well off middle class priests, the comfortable never having to worry about the bill's monk's etc is not the real Church, indeed it has fallen a very far way's from the commands of the Lord and his apostles.

In south America after the Spaniards got there it was financially beneficial for them to steal, rape and enslave but one priest a missionary whom had gone into the jungle had managed to convert an entire tribe to the word of Jesus, they were living exactly as the early church did and sharing all wealth, all burdens and helping those around them but when a Spanish soldier whom had become one of the founders of one of the new ruling houses over there found out he wanted those people as Slaves for his plantations so he went to the bishop whom had control of the missionary and the Bishop in a characteristically anti Christian fashion gave him permission to enslave the entire Christian tribe, they died worked to death on his plantation's and there utopia was lost.

This world Rejects Christ, it Rejects caring about other's and rewards the greedy, the selfish, the cruel and the power mongers, the Capitalists and the Communists.

So I guess that in that respect I am not happy with ANY political party or current ideology and there is no one in my world to represent what I believe is correct, not Communism but a free system at the cultural level were people actually cared about those around them.

The last time that was the case in the UK was after the second world war, bombed out city's with people often formerly middle class or even wealthy now on the breadlines made them see thing's differently and so we got the best government this nation has ever had in peace time, it gave us the NHS, Public housing (most of it was good but there was the mistake of destroying the surviving community's in land grabs that ruined our society and these public housing were later used by the Tory's (it was Mountbatten that invited the Asians to the UK during Partition so the Tory's) to house migrants into the country, this played into there hands as well since Divide and Conquer suited them to a T, by causing this influx into the Labour heartlands they created cultural and social divisions that never healed and then to add the top hat they blamed Labour for it or at least convinced the public at grass root's level that it was all Labour's doing, think of the shock of an established multiple generation community when foreigners whom have nothing on common are put among them, the anger when a stranger is given a house that should in your mind as a long standing member of such a community have been for your son or daughter and his in turn was reflected in growing racism and intolerance towards these new arrival's, a master stroke of Machiavellian work.

So I have no party, I vote Labour only because there core traditional values are closest to mine but they are not the same, close is not the same as, and I never vote Tory because on too many issues they are diametrically opposed to my ethical and moral beliefs.

The members of the Church who could work, Worked, Go sell all you own and give to the poor then come follow me, Work, Sell capitalism but not out and out greed rather fair trade a fair day's work for a fair days pay, a fair day's price for goods and services not cheap labour as that concept is actually anti Christian, not exploitation as that is anti Christian.
Caring about the poor, the sick and the needy, helping them, a caring about the entire body of Christ a welfare state aimed at healing, helping and fixing society's ill's so socialism, Christianity is neither but with the early church as a model it is far closer to the Kibbutz model of socialism than it will ever be to the greedy tyrant's of the city of London.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Chistianity.
Another great idea spoilt by Man.

I like the communal approach but wonder if its practical in the world we live in today?

I was raised Catholic and its left its imprint on me but I consider myself Agnostic.

I think some of my own personal moral code has been shaped by Christian values.
But religion relies on blind faith and its my opinion that blind faith in anything leads to one being dictated to by others and obedience to dogmatic creed.

Its impossible to prove 'Gods' existence or none-existence until the day we die or some sort of Judgement Day.
As a result I personally think the question of 'God's' existence is a pretty much a moot point.
If there is this omniscient and omnipotent being called God I doubt very much he'll be that concerned about my adherence to man made dogma.
I'd assume such a being would judge me on how I'd lived my life and not on whether I went to church on Sunday and said a little prayer extolling 'his' virtues etc. If not then I've got to say he's quite a spiteful and egotistical being and not really worthy of my worship.
If there is no God being then at least I've lived my life trying my best not to cause undue harm to others who have sought to cause me no harm and tried in some little way to actually help others.
Of course I fail all too frequently, I am only human.....but I try, that's all we can do.

Herein endeth the sermon.

a reply to: Freeborn

Actually I think Christianity is about the search, seek and ye shall find and all of that, it is about asking questions, digging deeper and without getting into all that malarkey about Gnosticism vs blind faith I believe it is despite claim's by some very high ranking hypocrites (whom obviously have there own personal relationship but want others to bow down to what they say) a personal experience between the believer and God.