Absolute Proof the Earth is Round NOT Flat!

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People

originally posted by: TerraLiga
It would be intriguing to understand the psychology behind Turbo's beliefs.

I’m about 95% convinced he’s a troll.

Really? I'm 100% convinced he's a troll.

I'm not so sure it's all down to trolling. I think Turbo really believes in what he/she is writing. There is a documented psychological disorder associated with beliefs like this and it is one of the most difficult to resolve for clinicians - akin to radicalisation, for example. It's quite disturbing.

You've probably read these already, but a couple decent but basic overviews.
www.psychologytoday.com...
antidotesforchimps.com...

a reply to: dragonridr

Oh. The good old international space station. Another thing turbo posts that is an illusion. An elaborate hoax to trick everyone. There is no ISS according to Turbo. No man made satellites period. Despite astronauts actually being on the ISS. Being able to see the ISS with the naked eye from earth. And the ISS is actively broadcasting from space.

a reply to: dragonridr

You could completely ruin his day by suggesting any sort of flying in a vaccuum

We couldn't put a bird in one, they'd just suffocate... but a drone could be placed in a vaccuum... and without any way to get lift... flight wouldn't be possible...

Theres goes his "gravity doesn't exist because birds fly" nonsense

a reply to: turbonium1

If there is no gravity. Then there is no weight to an object. No downward force. If there is no weight to an object. If things merely sort out by density with no gravity in your false world, then why do bridges have weight limits. In your false world of no gravity and no downward force, bridges shouldn’t have weight limits.

With no gravity. Why do objects only fall down towards the center of the earth? Why do objects fall at all? In your false works you should be able to use density to trick things to fall up like dead birds.

a reply to: neutronflux
still flat dude.
why kid yourself?

a reply to: neutronflux

There is no gravity.
The Earth sucks.

a reply to: Phageok phage
if space is expanding, it cant be a vacuum ,right?

but its a vacuum and its expanding.
explain that to me pls.

a reply to: Rikku

if space is expanding, it cant be a vacuum ,right?

Why not?

originally posted by: Rikku
a reply to: neutronflux
still flat dude.
why kid yourself?

The dimension of your imagination? What is flat?

I just tossed a pencil in the air and watched as it fell to the rug. Thus, in an instant, I have disproved Turbo's claims about gravity.

originally posted by: Phage

Depends upon how sensitive your measurement instrument is. A yardstick probably wouldn't work because the Earth's influence is so much greater, but it can be measured.

No, it cannot be measured.

Any object placed half an inch beside a 20 ton boulder will not be 'attracted' to it, at all. There is NO measurement that proves ANY movement to the boulder, because there IS no movement towards it.

What makes "Earth's influence...so much greater"? It cannot even hold down, or pull down, an insect or bird, unlike a tiny string easily can. You argue for a powerful force that can pull down 300 ton buildings, but is incapable of pulling down birds or insects, at the same time! It's absolute nonsense.

originally posted by: Phage
It can be detected at even smaller scales than that. With the right instruments.

But a new experiment that measured the miniscule gravitational attraction between two tiny gold spheres, each spanning just 2 millimeters across, could be the first of many to provide clues to how gravity operates at these scales.

www.livescience.com...

They are complete BS artists, using trickery like this to try and 'support' their magical, non-existent 'force'! Why do they always use small metal balls to 'prove' that their magical force really DOES exist? Why don't they ever use non-metallic objects in their 'experiments'? Put a pebble by a huge boulder, and see what happens! Nothing, of course! That's why they'll never do such a thing, because it would prove that they're BS con artists, in reality!


The reason they always use METALLIC objects is because metallic objects will attract to one another by MAGNETIC force, a REAL force - not a fake, made up, fantasy force, like 'gravity' is.

You must have all heard of David Weiss from DITRH.
Is anyone going to take him up on his bet that whoever can prove the Earth is a globe will receive a Bitcoin?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

Again..

Anyway. How can I use mass and density to move an object sideways since you insist there is no gravity. And mass and density is causing objects to move.

How does an object know to accelerate towards the center of the earth when underground in a cave, or mine shaft.

A cave offers pretty uniform air density(or an air lock can guarantee air density) and the dropped object is surrounded by earth. How does a dropped object “know” to drop down. Why can the object not be “tricked” into falling up? It’s surround by uniform density.

Because, as I've already explained to you many times now, the Earth is a contained, controlled environment, with air above, and ground below, and is all contained within the Firmament, above Earth, surrounding Earth.

Objects on Earth have more mass than the air above Earth, so objects stay on the ground, or if they go ABOVE ground, will later fall back to ground again, where all objects originate from. It's that simple, that brilliant - it is God's creation. He created Earth from the void, where nothing exists, until He created Earth, and life on Earth, the Heavens above Earth, which contain the stars, Sun, and moon above Earth, as one, contained, controlled environment.


No need for a 'pulling/holding down' force, in Earth. Nothing 'floats' or 'drifts' above Earth, in air, because objects on Earth have mass and density, greater than air's mass and density ABOVE the Earth, and that's why no need to 'hold/pull down' objects above Earth, if ever in air, their mass and density makes them fall through air, to the ground below.

You assume Earth is a ball, speeding through space, and that's the main problem. You cannot think of Earth any other way, than a flying ball in 'space'. So of course, when you assume that, you believe we must be 'held down' to Earth by some powerful 'force', within Earth, because you think we'd 'float' and 'drift' around 'space', otherwise!

What if you tried to think of the Earth as a stationary planet, with a totally self-contained, self-sustainable environment, surrounding it - where nothing exists beyond that environment.....Objects, both living, and non-living objects, have mass and density, acting to stay on the ground of Earth, a flat surface, to roam around with ease. Everything stays on the surface, because of their mass and density, greater than that of air ABOVE the surface. Nothing else is needed here. No 'holding down/pulling down' force needed, nor existing - being that the Earth will be a contained, controlled environment, in itself....

Why wouldn't it make sense, if Earth WAS like this, to need no 'holding/pulling down' force, within Earth? It's only because you think of Earth as a flying ball in 'space', that you will need to account for every object on Earth, staying on it, coming down on it from above, and so forth....

A real force is easily proven, shown to exist beyond any doubt, without question - magnetic force is a perfect example of a REAL force, that's proven to exist, beyond any doubt, or question. It is a REPEATABLE, DEMONSTRABLE force, that anyone can prove exists, over and over again, with actual DEMONSTRATIONS of it, in countless ways, using REAL objects.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: dragonridr

You could completely ruin his day by suggesting any sort of flying in a vaccuum

We couldn't put a bird in one, they'd just suffocate... but a drone could be placed in a vaccuum... and without any way to get lift... flight wouldn't be possible...

Theres goes his "gravity doesn't exist because birds fly" nonsense

No. What we consider as a 'vacuum', today, like those at NASA, etc. - have much, much LESS air, than anywhere else, or mostly so, but it still has air within it - so your point doesn't hold up, by just that fact, alone.

Everywhere on Earth, above Earth, below Earth's surface, within it's waters, or caves, or atop mountains, or highest points above Earth, air is always present, in some level.

Nice try.

a reply to: turbonium1

SO the normal pulling garbage out your ass eh...

good times...

a reply to: turbonium1

Um there is no air in a vacuume in fact we remove almost everything in Nasas vacuum chamber for example you have 1000 protons per cubic meter. (notice i didnt say atoms like oxygen 1 oxygen atom is about the equivalent of 16 protons. ) This means density cant possibly work in a vacuum. Oh and this isnt even the best one we can create by the way. In fact it so sensitive they have to avoid leaving finger prints because the vacuum will lift the oil from fingerprints. The LHC creates an ultra high vacuum through a 3 pump process that rivals the vacuum of space about 6 protons per cubic meter. Needless to say they cant have extra material in the tubes of the accelerator it would mess up the experiment by having collisions in the wrong places.

That time of the week already? How time flies.

Let me just see if Turbonium has posted anything relevant, different, or provided any actual evidence to support his BS, or has just regurgitated the same old word salad furball. Let's see if he has the slightest grasp on what other people have posted or whether he just handwaves things away and moves his arbitrary goalposts.





Uh-huh, furball it is.

As you were.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: turbonium1

If there is no gravity. Then there is no weight to an object. No downward force. If there is no weight to an object. If things merely sort out by density with no gravity in your false world, then why do bridges have weight limits. In your false world of no gravity and no downward force, bridges shouldn’t have weight limits.

With no gravity. Why do objects only fall down towards the center of the earth? Why do objects fall at all? In your false works you should be able to use density to trick things to fall up like dead birds.

Objects have mass and density as every object, of Earth, was/is/will be, given the very same, exact properties, while differing places, or levels of those properties, etc.

There is NOTHING about your magical 'force' that proves it EXISTS, that's the first, huge problem. It has no validity.

All the other claims you make are about 'gravity' existing, as if it's already proven to be an actual 'force', like anyone else must try to prove it is NOT the truth!

This is an absolute farce.

Whatever force is required to pull down a 300 ton building, would hold a bird or insect to the ground, and if you suggest it would NOT hold birds or insects down to Earth, or pull them down to Earth, like 300 ton buildings, it's easily proven, by our OWN levels of force, required to pull down a 300 ton structure, which is more than it required to pull down a bird or insect, that's for sure!

You cannot have a force that can pull down 300 ton buildings, if it can't pull down a bird or insect, just because you have to make 'gravity' fit into your whole fairy tale story. No chance.


We once used huge machinery to pull huge buildings down to Earth, before we used explosives for it, or half of the time, etc. It takes force to pull down a 300 ton building, an immense force, WHATEVER the actual force(s) used, is equal, or more powerful, as the massive machines would be.

You say there's little force used by 'gravity' when it 'pulls down' a 300 ton building, because it uses force indirectly, with Earth, or all the force is spread out over Earth, or something like that. It's irrelevant where a force originates from, it is used to pull 300 ton buildings down, it can also pull down birds and insects, and hold them down to Earth, and if there claims to exist a force that can pull down 300 ton buildings, yet cannot pull down a bird, or insect, something a string can do, or any force as weak as a string.

Actual forces prove this. We have ACTUAL forces, not made up ones, that do magical things, just by wishing for it!


Why wouldn't you even have sources for this claim? A claim about 'gravity', which many others believe is an actual force, and also believe it is within Earth, or in the very center of Earth, which they believe is a massive ball, or ball-like in shape, but everyone of them agree it's ball-shaped, and that Earth is zipping through 'space', which is even worse.

But nobody else who believes in 'gravity', as an actual force within the Earth, within each and every object on Earth, and everywhere else has 'gravity', too! Maybe more, maybe less, or the same, but they all have 'gravity'.

A force that is everywhere, holding all things of 'space', together, yet at a massive distance away from one another! How amazing!

If you really believe such a force exists, without any proof of it existing in the first place, nothing else you claim about it, makes it any better.


Birds fly, and prove no 'force' is 'pulling down', or 'holding down'. It's proven, every single day. What proves your claim? Nothing.

originally posted by: turbonium1
What proves your claim? Nothing.

We're still waiting. Hypocrite.

Not one single post with evidence in it from you. It's almost as if you have none.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: turbonium1

Um there is no air in a vacuume in fact we remove almost everything in Nasas vacuum chamber for example you have 1000 protons per cubic meter. (notice i didnt say atoms like oxygen 1 oxygen atom is about the equivalent of 16 protons. ) This means density cant possibly work in a vacuum. Oh and this isnt even the best one we can create by the way. In fact it so sensitive they have to avoid leaving finger prints because the vacuum will lift the oil from fingerprints. The LHC creates an ultra high vacuum through a 3 pump process that rivals the vacuum of space about 6 protons per cubic meter. Needless to say they cant have extra material in the tubes of the accelerator it would mess up the experiment by having collisions in the wrong places.

They have repeatedly told us, taught since we were small, impressionable children, and since then, over and over again, as a great mantra, that among all the many, many things we will all learn about, in schools, in books, etc. -

We must all learn, first of all, about the Earth being a ball, about Earth flying through space, an endless area beyond Earth, which has no end, but it is also 'expanding' more and more all the time, too!


These things are taught to us, as children, and afterwards, too. Nobody knows why it's taught to children, but who cares about it, anyway! No big deal.


It's called imprinting, suggestion, brainwashing, and so on - and that's why they teach it to us as children, and afterwards, to not even THINK about it, as any other issue would be, or most issues, anyway, React to any who doubt it, or question it, by attacking them, laughing at them , insulting and mocking them, as stupid, as uneducated on the issue, at once, and attack them again and again.


You MUST believe there is a force, within Earth, because you believe Earth is a ball flying through space, and if you accept that as absolute fact, you'll make up any excuses for it, because it must fit your belief that Earth is a ball flying through space, nothing else is even considered possible, to you.



I've explained why 'gravity' is nonsense, because actual forces work consistently, not contradictory, as 'gravity' is, so blatantly, that anyone can see it.