The real reason why Americans are so obsessed with gun rights.

a reply to: Mandroid7

Haven’t looked up the jujutsu deal but I will, it sounds interesting at the least. To be honest if you have to go hands on with a wild animal, jujitsu won’t help, it’s all about neck/throat/back control like wrestling a 200 pound wild hog that don’t give a god damn about pain until it’s dead.

Agree with everything you said about encounters like that.

If however my wife or kids were with me, without hesitation, if a predator like that even remotely threatened us, or to be honest got to close. It’d be done. I carry a hunting knife and gun while in the wild, relying on a knife is last stand stuff man, Wild animals get stabbed with claws, antlers and sticks bigger than your 12” knife every day and are just fine man. Animals are vicious insane creatures until they get wounded, then they just get plain mean.

a reply to: Variable2027

I don't carry a gun out here..too much weight for hiking.
I'm fairly trained in mma and stick and edged weapons stuff friend.
There isn't an animal out there that will survive a 12" blade through the eye socket into the brain.
As wannabe tough guy as it sounds, I've also done a lot of guard training with rottweilers and 260lb English mastiffs, charging full throttle.
You start to kinda learn the right body placement when they hit.
I would most definitely be cut to hell, but I'm most definitely killing it.
It isn't optional.
All the surviving mountain lion attacks talk is kinda moot though, because typically you won't know it's attacking until it crushes your spine/neck from behind.
Equally, drawing and cocking a gun isn't even realistic. If you ever get into a head to head situation, it is going to be coming around a corner and will be surprising for both, so a pause to arm up probably won't be possible.
Otherwise these cats hear you a mile away.

jujitsu won’t help, it’s all about neck/throat/back control like wrestling a 200 pound wild hog that don’t give a god damn about pain until it’s dead.

That is literally what I just said he did.
Jits is probably the only style where you could actually go "hands on"
You ain't karate kicking that bad boy.
From behind, you are at least out of clawville.

a reply to: BlueJacket

Screw that I carry a knife and pistol with me if I go anywhere remote or likely to have predators. I used to live off the grid in NM up in the rockies up in the northern part. I've walked miles from my buddies home to mine in moonless nights. I was always creeped out by big cat reports in the area and every time I would walk with a big fixed blade knife in hand prepared to be tackled by one. Glad I never had any encounters and this video just reinforces it lol!

a reply to: RickyD

Yeah, you could feel the intensity that guy was experiencing.
I always have to scan the property up here before I let the dogs out a night.
Sneaky little sh!ts
Have had way more issues with snakes than anything. All over the placehere.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

If he would have turned and given her his back JUST ONCE she would have shredded him.....hes lucky she was weak and skinny from taking care of her scrubs..... she tried to bluff charge him several times to spook him and get to his back....he was backing up like a Buck or a Doe and she knows about Antlers and sharp Hooves already......always wear a hat with a face an big EYES on the back of your head when Hiking or Jogging in Cat country.

He is lucky her babies cried out for her.....she was getting to the edge of her audio range and was being forced to choose between attack and go back.....the squealing made her mind up for her.

That dude was surviving on instinct he knew she was watching his eyes....as soon as he looked away and began to turn he started her terminal run.... wow.... just wow.

a reply to: rickymouse

The second amendment doesn't give anyone the right to bear arms. The right to bear arms is a human/natural right, necessary for survival and self-defense. People inherently have that right. The second amendment is supposed to protect the individual from any attempt by authority figures who seek to pass laws to make it harder or impossible to keep and bear arms.

a reply to: Mandroid7

Its all about the intentions the animal has and the shape its in and its level of desperation just like a Human.

Just like in MMA NEVER EVER GIVE UP YOUR BACK WITHOUT A FIGHT.

I am a big fan of Spears.....nice light strong shafted 14 inch blade.....5 foot handle....way lighter than a gun and doubles as a walking stick.....nothing gets past that without leaving something important behind .

a reply to: Mandroid7

I applaud and hope you continue your self defense training, I do the same with my children and think it’s a very important aspect of life.

I want to be careful here, I want you to know I’m not denigrating or talking down to you, just asking questions and providing real word experiences.

I have had to shoot a charging hog point blank, thing was only about 80 pounds but would have f’d me up if it got to me. No way in hell a knife, regardless of training Or placement, would have stopped it.

If you have ever been hunting, a wounded animal is the most dangerous animal.

I don’t know what country your in that carrying a weapon would be burdensome, I think mines about 1 pound, maybe more, probably more. I’m not a “gun nut” but I know my guns

Where are you located? Country wise? If you don’t want to put that out there i understand.

I can almost guarantee if you got attacked by a wild animal, all that knife # is gone. It’s vicious, it’s wild, it’s random violence. Not saying it won’t work, that’s why I also carry a hunting knife. But to assume that will be sufficient is to assume you are the best “killer” in the woods. The sad thing is a deer is more dangerous than a human, let alone bear, cougars or anything else.

Edit: I don’t know what “drawing and cocking” a weapon means unless it’s a old school six shooter. I can draw and shoot on target very quickly, without tuggin on a hammer.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Variable2027
a reply to: Lumenari

If you didn’t see my edit - that cat you got a picture of is a freakin beast! Was that a trail cam around you or where you spend time at?

It's a trail cam pic from north of where I live, but they have a 100 mile range soOo...

Notice the scar on his shoulder?

And probably around 180-200 pounds.

Not something I'd like to walk up on!

Hes a stately Grandpa.

a reply to: one4all

Agree. Agree.
The entire situation is pure nightmare juice though.
I'm surprised he didn't run. I'm wondering if he did that on purpose, or we have witnessed the first ever case of some dude living because he wanted to film it and be a fakebook star and show his buddies.
God, that would be insane.
I gotta crash guys. Need my rest.
Might have to wrestle a lion tomorrow, never know up here.
Have a good one

a reply to: Variable2027

Nice, yes wild boar hunting is fun, we had 2000 pound Russian boars down in Florida that were pretty mean.
A lot of guys knife and spear hunt them.
I'm in the us, up in the smokey mountains now.
I don't do the guns thing much, but I started shooting at 5 years old. My fam runs a hunting preserve.

Every ounce counts when doing minimalist hiking.
It's the entire purpose. You can really expand your range without a 70lb pack.
5 lbs for a handgun or other is too much.
1/2 oz bear spray will stop any animal, so it's kinda extra unneeded weight.
I don't even carry bear spray, just a blade.
Although I do usually have a nice composite fiskers axe.
I spend most of my free time on trails, so I'm always watching for mountain lions.
Here's a vid of the park by me..you can see what I mean about cat territory

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

It all makes perfect sense now.

I'd personally want too have access to an entire arsenal of weapons as well, if a simple stroll in the woods involved the possibility of being hunted down by a giant "kitty cat".

The Second Amendment as written was put there in case our Government became tyrannical, in which case it was the duty of the citizens to overthrow it and install new representatives.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Thomas Jefferson.

It has nothing to do about hunting or protecting yourself from wildlife.

Although here is one from my neck of the woods...

You understand absolutely nothing about our rights as American citizens.

What a monster cat can't imagine walking through the woods and coming up on that. But I guess that doesn't happen cause a specimen like this either A. beats a quiet retreat and you don't even know how close it was or B It waits for an opportunty to attack and clamp down on your throat and you are bleating like a fawn before you know what hit you.

People forget how wild America can be. Ive heard cougars and mountain lions are making a comeback.

No need for a gun with this Cougar.

This guy was so terrified he couldn't have hit the broad side of a barn anyway..

She is just escorting him out of her "danger" range...

Once she figures he's far enough from her cubs..she'll leave..

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: BlueJacket

Screw that I carry a knife and pistol with me if I go anywhere remote or likely to have predators. I used to live off the grid in NM up in the rockies up in the northern part. I've walked miles from my buddies home to mine in moonless nights. I was always creeped out by big cat reports in the area and every time I would walk with a big fixed blade knife in hand prepared to be tackled by one. Glad I never had any encounters and this video just reinforces it lol!

Yeah...I had my OH GOD ...I dont want to die, bout 10 years ago, when a small pack of wolves and myself surprised one another along side a huge blackberry row. The Alpha was huge...I literally stood there, Alpha stood right there...3, 4 of the pack crossed into the brush, then alpha paused, looked at me, and followed into the brush ...

I and my brother-in-law walked up within 15 feet on one in a dry creek bed one day. It was sharpening its claws on a dead tree that had fallen when I rounded the bend in the creek and there it was. It turned and jumped up out of the creek bed 8 feet deep and ran off up the hill, stopped and started growling at us. It was a monster cat. The jump had to be almost 15 feet to get up out of the creek bed.
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

If we're sharing experiences now, I'll share one. I'm not proud of it by any means, but I did what I felt was necessary at the time.

A friend and I were on a weekend hiking trip. We set up camp early Friday evening and just relaxed. Went over plans, made changes, caught up on life a little bit, and fished for dinner.

The next morning after eating breakfast, we packed up and resumed our hike. About an hour into the trek, my buddy realized he left something back at the previous campsite, so we began to head back.

About fifteen-twenty minutes of tracing our path back I spotted some very recent paw prints on the damp ground. I told my buddy to check it out, and that there was a big cat in the area. We made it back to camp, and he grabbed the thing he had left, and we finally started heading towards our next destination.

We had both agreed to keep going and figured the cat would leave us alone, so we decided to be cautious and keep our eyes and ears tuned in. Besides, it put more thrill in the hike. It's real life, and it's a good experience to go through.

We stopped every now and then to snack and take photos, skipped lunch to make up for lost time, and eventually made it to the next point on the map. We hadn't seen anymore cougar tracks, so we figured we were somewhat in the clear. We didn't feel like it was following us at least, but we stayed wary. We got a bird, a lizard, some shrooms and vegetation and set to making a dinner meal.

The next morning we packed up camp again, made sure we didn't leave anything behind, and this time it was my buddy who saw it first. He said man the damn thing is following us. So, I said show me, and he pointed out right at the edge of the little clearing we had found that there were cat tracks smartly just around the edge of the clearing. So, I said in a smartass way well what? we just go back? We're already halfway through the trek.

He said he was trying to suggest that, just that he didn't like being followed by a big cat. So, I told him that there isn't really anything we can do except hope that it's just watching us, and that we should just keep going, and to keep his rifle handy.

So, about three hours later we joking around, shooting the #, and we hear some heavy ass quick movement. My spidey senses feel like foot long needles shooting out of my skin. At first the movement was from our right, and then circled around the front of us, to our left, and I grabbed my buddy spun him around behind me, and readied my rifle. My buddy readied up behind me, us covering each other's rear.

My buddy is cussing under his breath of regret and anger. I tell him to shut up and listen. The movement had stopped, but we were in it. There wouldn't be no shrugs and going along our merry way.

This cat had followed us, sized us up, and decided to act. The last I had heard movement it was to my left, and I had spun my buddy around in anticipation of it coming from the rear. I say focus under my breath and it seemed like forever. But what happened next all happened in mere seconds. A branch snapped, my buddy turned and shot. From the other direction I see a huge tan blur and the biggest cat paw I've ever seen go right past the back of my head, and I'm knocked forward onto a knee. I spin around to see what the hell my buddy is doing and a strap on his bag had been ripped and had moved up over his head and he was on all fours.

Just beyond him about fifteen feet away, this big ass cat, maybe just over three feet tall and about seven feet long is back staring us down as it's looking like it's about to lunge at us again. I shout stay down, and I start shooting. My buddy gets his senses about him and he starts shooting too. The cat ultimately meeting its end.

After patching up some scratches on the back of my buddy's head. We walked over to the cat, and I was sad more than anything. This creature was magnificent. I don't know why it attacked us, but it was dead. We spent a good bit of time burying it, and for the next hour or so we just trekked in silence.

I love hiking and camping and all things outdoors, but that sucked. We could have died very easily, we survived, but at the cost of a beautiful creature. The only thing that made me feel better was that it was a male, and that another cougar would be able to claim that territory as his own.

So, yeah. The guy in this video got lucky, and you're foolish if you think it's safe to go hiking and camping without a gun.

I've had close calls with bears, elk, deer, snakes, and other stuff. I've seen bear spray not do a damn thing except piss a bear off even more. Buy a gun, practice with it, and carry it. Or else it could be your flesh that's being stripped and left to decompose in the woods somewhere.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Close, you got the Predator analogy correct. The issue is the biggest Predators are other humans.


The "Predators" we worry about are those who would kill, enslave, rob, or make us cower in fear by use of "said arms". That could be a Government, Organization, Gang, Criminal, etc.


One bad guy with a gun can control and enslave a hundred unarmed people. One bad buy with a gun CANNOT enslave a hundred armed people.
The Right To Keep And Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed.

Agreed. That's why our 2nd Amendment rights are so critical to maintain our freedoms. Some may say that it's the only thing that lies between a Liberal and a Totalitarian Democracy (or worse).

My view on guns is very similar to my view on nuclear weapons. Without them, it's only a matter of time before the "bad guys" come and try to take what's yours.