Adaptations are clear evidence of intelligent design

originally posted by: cooperton

Neanderthals have a higher cranial capacity than humans. It doesn't fit the evolutionary paradigm.

That doesn't necessarily mean smarter though. Also they might not have had complex speech...We humans use about 30%+ of our energy in our brain and that is a crazy level compared to other creatures.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Sure all great points

Now you have to ask yourself why Incest is frowned on and yet Royalty seems to be in the habit of inbreeding between cousins etc. Look at Europe prior to WW1 - they're all related , playing us through their nations to kill each other off with wars, borrowing money from the Rothschilds


Why is incest ok for royalty and yet not for us plebs ( not that I condone Incest )
So they keep the money/assets within the family
Kind of ironic

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Xtrozero

Sure all great points

Now you have to ask yourself why Incest is frowned on and yet Royalty seems to be in the habit of inbreeding between cousins etc. Look at Europe prior to WW1 - they're all related , playing us through their nations to kill each other off with wars, borrowing money from the Rothschilds


Why is incest ok for royalty and yet not for us plebs ( not that I condone Incest )
So they keep the money/assets within the family
Kind of ironic

From our current understanding incest amplifies latent genetic weakness in a familial line. It's also gross. But I guess if you're a narcissistic family then no one is worthy of you except your siblings haha

originally posted by: Xtrozero

That doesn't necessarily mean smarter though. Also they might not have had complex speech...We humans use about 30%+ of our energy in our brain and that is a crazy level compared to other creatures.

Usually intelligence can be estimated by the ratio of brain to body (encephalization). So these neanderthals apparently were on average about the same weight as us, with a larger cranial size. They were likely smarter on average.

a reply to: Xtrozero


But they weren't dumber either - they just had other imperatives.


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a reply to: cooperton

Neanderthals have a higher cranial capacity than humans. It doesn't fit the evolutionary paradigm.

Bigger isn't always better. Take the octopus for example. It's remarkably intelligent.

If we could turn all the animals into humans to take the IQ test, octopuses would outscore most humans on the math portion at a genius level of above 140. They would also do very very well at spatial visual.

There are numerous videos on YouTube about octopus research which are fascinating.

Neanderthals mated with homo sapiens at some point. We carry their genes to some extent. If left to themselves with no influence of homo sapien genes, I wonder what they would by like today?

originally posted by: Phantom423


There are numerous videos on YouTube about octopus research which are fascinating.

Neanderthals mated with homo sapiens at some point. We carry their genes to some extent. If left to themselves with no influence of homo sapien genes, I wonder what they would by like today?

I wonder though even the differences between caucasoid, mongoloid, and negroid skulls are relatively drastic, perhaps Neanderthals are just another human sub-division

originally posted by: cooperton

Where's the evidence for these trillion species? Not being difficult, just want to see the database of these identified extinct species.

Well you are being difficult wanting a data base of all living and extinct lifeforms while your data base for God is just faith... Trillion was just suggesting that there has been a lot that have come and gone. Today there is about 12 million forms of life on our planet and over 99% have been extinct. We do not really have a number, but it is billions, and if you get down to the micro level it most likely a whole lot more unless you suggest God put all the lifeforms on the planet in their current state, and we do know spices do disappear in extinction.

So what is your point I asked how would God do it when it seems there has been an endless supply of lifeforms for the last 2.5 billion years that have come and gone.

a reply to: cooperton

Probably yes. No doubt they fit somewhere in our lineage because we have their genes. It will be interesting to see what CRISPR experiments will produce - don't think they're allowed in the EU or the USA, but I'm sure some country will do it.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Well you are being difficult wanting a data base of all living and extinct lifeforms while your data base for God is just faith...

lol I know. That was kind of the point. Although I would like to know if there's a running tally somewhere. So much of this comes down to belief, and honestly the best route is to remove as much bias as possible. It really is nice debating with you all, and I hope there are no hard feelings. It is definitely sharpening all of us who participate.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight

Sure all great points

Now you have to ask yourself why Incest is frowned on and yet Royalty seems to be in the habit of inbreeding between cousins etc. Look at Europe prior to WW1 - they're all related , playing us through their nations to kill each other off with wars, borrowing money from the Rothschilds


Why is incest ok for royalty and yet not for us plebs ( not that I condone Incest )
So they keep the money/assets within the family
Kind of ironic

That one is easy.... We have recessive genes that are harmful, but they are not active unless both the dad and mom have them to allow them to match up and become active. So the more diverse we are the less chance of matching up recessive genes. This is why spices that get to a point of a small population end up going extinct in many cases.

a reply to: cooperton

Sure I get that - but dont forget the "divine right of Kings" A dogma that exists today if you scratch the surface. Even our representative democracies bow down to monarchies.


Hahaha even Trump did it when visiting The Queen - you have to look closely and understand that he was "escorted" by the Military. Sure they'll say its a respect thing. But maybe we are in effect under Martial Law as Sovereign Citizens say.

I havent got the money or the time to try a sovereign citizen stunt to not pay unfair fines because at the end of the day even the Judiciary is corrupt.
Forget about Sov Cits - look at todays current events we know that laws mean jack squat for us - just look at how the police treat maskless protesters,

a reply to: cooperton


There is an excellent book written by Dr. Jennifer Doudna, the 2020 winner of the Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

She helped develop CRISPR. The book describes her research but also warns about the consequences of this technology.
I've read of some horrific experiments the Chinese are conducting. I'd want no part of any of it.

A Crack in Creation: Gene Editing and the Unthinkable Power to Control Evolution Kindle Edition
by Jennifer A. Doudna (Author), Samuel H. Sternberg (Author) Format: Kindle Edition

www.amazon.com...=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

originally posted by: cooperton
lol I know. That was kind of the point. Although I would like to know if there's a running tally somewhere. So much of this comes down to belief, and honestly the best route is to remove as much bias as possible. It really is nice debating with you all, and I hope there are no hard feelings. It is definitely sharpening all of us who participate.

So I show you a wide range of fossils going back billions of years, what does that suggest?

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: cooperton


There is an excellent book written by Dr. Jennifer Doudna, the 2020 winner of the Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

She helped develop CRISPR. The book describes her research but also warns about the consequences of this technology.
I've read of some horrific experiments the Chinese are conducting. I'd want no part of any of it.

A Crack in Creation: Gene Editing and the Unthinkable Power to Control Evolution Kindle Edition
by Jennifer A. Doudna (Author), Samuel H. Sternberg (Author) Format: Kindle Edition

www.amazon.com...=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Luc Montagnier, nobel prize winner who discovered HIV, claimed that Covid had long fragments of HIV as well as the native coronavirus strains. I assume, if true, this would be the result of CRISPR tampering?

a reply to: Phantom423

Take the octopus for example. It's remarkably intelligent.

I dont care jack sheez if you are a creationist or evolutionist. The OCtopus is 1 mean fuzzer that was dropped off by our Flying Saucer gods. Beautiful to eat but it is so alien!!!!




HR Gigers Xenomorph!!!

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Phantom423

I dont care jack sheez if you are a creationist or evolutionist. The OCtopus is 1 mean fuzzer that was dropped off by our Flying Saucer gods. Beautiful to eat but it is so alien!!!!

HR Gigers Xenomorph!!!

It's like if you had to imagine something that could torture you underwater... the octopus would be it. Sure the Megalodon would be terrifying but you're dead in one bite. I heard octopuses that are held captive know exactly what's going on, and even troll their captives.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

So I show you a wide range of fossils going back billions of years, what does that suggest?

My response would probably be that hydrologic sorting after the flood dispersed various organisms based on densities. I guess we all have become biased automatons. Ironically I think we would all get along if we didn't focus on this one main difference in ideology.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Xtrozero

Sure but what fascinates me is that we have Neanderthal DNA - now I'm not sure if it is Darwinism or Evolution Theory that suggests that we shouldn't have that DNA

Neanderthals have a higher cranial capacity than humans. It doesn't fit the evolutionary paradigm.

Their brains were also organised differently than ours with a considerably larger occipital lobe to help them.cpunter.balance the dimmer light conditions of Southern Europe during the LGM. This ties in with their larger eyes as well.

Along with eyes, Neanderthals had significantly larger bodies than humans, with wider shoulders, thicker bones and a more robust build overall. So they actually had more.body mass than we do today.

So not only were they not significantly smarter than H. Sapiens they had to compensate in other areas.of the brain for the larger occipital lobe which meams that areas dealing with socialization were actually smaller. This may.be why they operated in smaller groups than AMH.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Today there is about 12 million forms of life on our planet and over 99% have been extinct. We do not really have a number, but it is billions, and if you get down to the micro level it most likely a whole lot more unless you suggest God put all the lifeforms on the planet in their current state

Whilst in most religious texts there are writings of world wide universal floods, this is where NOah and the 2 x 2 replenishing of the Earth with Flora & Fauna breaks Down. NOt enough time for him to grab the diversity of the whole world in the time frames mentioned in the Bible

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight

Whilst in most religious texts there are writings of world wide universal floods, this is where NOah and the 2 x 2 replenishing of the Earth with Flora & Fauna breaks Down. NOt enough time for him to grab the diversity of the whole world in the time frames mentioned in the Bible

Yeah there were so many accounts of the global flood, even in the Americas. There's even gnostic texts which claims it wasn't an ark, but instead some higher dimensional vessel of light... which is an unfortunate explanation for any literalist. But apparently the Turkish government is pretty insistent that they found Noah's Ark exactly where it is supposed to be around the mountains of Ararat.

originally posted by: peter vlar

Along with eyes, Neanderthals had significantly larger bodies than humans, with wider shoulders, thicker bones and a more robust build overall. So they actually had more.body mass than we do today.

I just did a quick google search on average neanderthal size and it came up with about the same as current human averages. What is the evidence that insists they were larger bodied on average?

So not only were they not significantly smarter than H. Sapiens they had to compensate in other areas.of the brain for the larger occipital lobe which meams that areas dealing with socialization were actually smaller. This may.be why they operated in smaller groups than AMH.

Larger occipital also insists on better sensory ability, possibly for hunting and foraging. Never looked into LGM, it never occurred to me that the white-tops of mountains would have been extended to lower altitudes during such a time. What's the leading theory regarding erratics that are outside the bound of these ice zones? i.e. how do they suppose so many boulders end up in baja california? To me this is where a global flood seems best fitting.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Well maybe by observing the creatures that already inhabit our planet, we'll have a greater understanding of real aliens when and if they ever arrive (or we get there first).