Anyone here with people that work in the hospitals.

a reply to: and14263

Numbers I guess, to make sure there are lots and lots of people in the overrun hospitals? Ask the OP.

That's all available. Without taking pictures, pictures can be faked which would be the next go to by anyone who doesn't even believe the virus is real.

In the UK during the 'first wave' there were tens of videos coming out everyday of medical 'professionals' doing dances and skits. So in our country we must be allowed recording equipment in the hospital. But that's off the point anyway, I thikn the clear aim is for the OP to see some evidence.

I don't do tiktok so I guess the emphasis lies on you to show me videos of nurses and doctors fooling around on covid wards. Yes, I'm aware I moved the goalposts. I'm not the only one though phones are allowed in hospitals.

They shouldn't be on.
Staff do not use them as to my awareness.
I guess if you really wanted to know you can look or request for policies in regards to phones and staff. I imagine it's different in each hospital though so have fun.

There is no morbid intention, only that applied by people who disagree but have no reasonable ground to form a sensible argument, other than "you are sick".

Yeah and it could be any ward so what point is pictures? I've already answered that anyways...

Yet the statistics are readily available for infection rates. Nations that actually have a clue are actively participating and sharing such data that's reported and shared by multiple national and international agencies.

So what's your intention within this thread? Fear mongering?

a reply to: paraphi

I've been turned away.

I've got family who have rescheduled operations.

You're actually spot on about most hospitals being quiet. There's also a huge backlog. Actual mental health victims (suicide) are being told to not go to hospital, it's the usual go to when people present such symptoms. I could go on and on about how this virus has had a huge effect on the general health of patients with long term treatment, then there's the people with presenting symptoms. The system is overrun.

Pictures are pointless especially when the people asking can't even be bothered to investigate actual reports never mind investigate the actual potential of effect this virus has had and is having.

It's all there.

Suicide
Avoidable death
Highly treatable injury and disease not being treated
Poorly prescribed medications
Overuse of sectors of the NHS

The list goes on and on too. But hey I see suggestions that the NHS are in on it, including each and every individual member of staff.

Now they want staff to take pictures... Lol? On their behalf I'll proudly say # off. They know they're providing a substandard service, they are doing their best. Most of all they KNOW that operating normally WILL increase infections and prolong the situation. Many staff are at risk and cannot work within normal circumstances, patients are at risk too.

a reply to: eletheia

They're for serious covid cases right?

Maybe statistically hospitals in the UK are managing when it comes to imminent respiratory failure.

I also have to ask how many people are highly trained and work exclusively at end of life care because essentially that's what it would be.

Preparing for the worst isn't exactly wasteful considering when these hospitals were being built statistics indicated they'd be needed. We do have winter around the corner and the infection rate has climbed significantly recently.

All in all though I feel many are barking up the wrong tree. The NHS isn't ran by the government. Let's be real here and admit that this government can't even run the lockdowns it is forcing on local councils.

Now they want to fine people too. I'm glad they realised wages up north are averagely lower than the south but a £6900 fine is still around 1/2 to 1/5 of the average fully employed persons wage.

I mean, I'm kinda pissed off too with all the shenanigans. I recently had family forced to live with me (water damage) and the poor landlord had to literally rush repairs because he would have been liable for the fines. Or maybe he wouldn't? Messy would be a polite description...

a reply to: RAY1990
Wow man, you need to take a chill pill, relax.

My intention in the thread was to try and show that I didn't think the OP was being morbid in asking for evidence over and above 'official' numbers, which historically are inaccurate on many subjects.

You're super uptight man. If you look I even agreed with you and said the videos/pics could be faked/without context.

You need to calm down. In the words of Arnie "Relax, you'll live longer".

a reply to: and14263

I'm good thanks.

I was aiming to be on point, to be understood and not to be misconstrued.

Apologies if that came over as me being a dick, I was aiming for par and maybe shot down an eagle.

I know someone who sells medical equipment to hospitals across the country.

And he said the condition of hospitals is the worst hes seen

The nurses and many doctors are not qualified.

They dont know what they are doing and thousands are dying by poor mistakes.