Logan OH woman arrested for trespassing for refusing to wear mask outside.

a reply to: ketsuko

Not necessarily.

Yes necessarily. The ADA is a law. It’s specific in what it covers, what it doesn’t, and how. Blanket mask exemptions are not part of the law, and DoJ has specifically said they aren’t.

I've seen nowhere that you are supposed to produce papers to prove your exemption.

Because you aren’t required to. You are required to ask for reasonable accommodation, not just decide for yourself that it’s a reasonable accommodation to not wear a mask at all (which would be odd, since she was carrying a mask and evidently wore it in to the stadium) and declare victory. And should you do that anyway, the ADA still allows for denial of service due to threat to others.

But masks do make a marked difference even with mild asthma. I have exercise asthma. For most things, the mask doesn't bother me - light shopping trips, etc. I had to exercise in it for the first time a couple nights ago, and stuff that doesn't normally do more than make me breathe hard without the mask, flipped me into wheezing inside 10 minutes with the mask on. Because it's normally so mild, I didn't think it would be that big of a deal, but it was. Now I'm not going to go running to a doctor for a note just for that because most of the time, the mask isn't an issue. I'll see if I can control it with an inhaler first.

Neat.

But my point is that mask on v. mask off can be dramatic with asthma,

So is resisting arrest, to actual asthmatics.

In the speach given by the guy in the first video, he says she had told the cop she has asthma. I would think that tazing someone with Asthma would not be good myself. Whether that was a legitimate thing she told the cop, I have no clue, but they should probably never taze someone with asthma if the cops are informed that the person is asthmatic.

All that woman would have had to have done was ask the cops if she could social distance from somewhere else so she could watch, but it appears there was fault on both sides.

a reply to: Blaine91555

I was wearing one of the standard cloth ones. I've ordered us some made out of athletic material. They're supposed to be lighter weight, more breathable, and moisture wicking, but they haven't arrived yet. I was hoping we'd get them today. I might try a paper one and see how it does.

The problem I have is that I have a narrow face so they tend to fall off easily. I also sweat buckets, so they get soaked fast.

If you can't arrest a girl without tasing her you need a new job.
This pig has the typical chip on his shoulder.
Electocute anyone with an attitude.
Lawsuit time.
Mandates, rules, suggestions aren't laws.
That takes an actual process.
Hence pushing the bs onto private businesses by leveraging their licenses.
Tyrannical bs.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Why is that odd?

She wore her mask in because she was outside and when entering could not maintain proper social distance, but once in the bleachers, she could. That should have been obvious from the videos. According to Ohio mandates, you do not have to wear a mask outdoors if you can maintain proper social distancing which she was. The group she was with was her family group. Again, part of the Ohio mandate is that you do not have to wear a mask outdoors with your family group if proper social distance from other groups can be maintained, which it was.

Is it wrong of her to think that maybe she didn't have to wear her mask any more, especially if she had asthma?

Again, I wear a mask into my aerobics studio and out of it. I do not wear it to exercise as we can maintain proper distance on the floor while exercising. It used to be the same as tae kwon do, but as we have a harder time maintaining social distance there with less space and fuller classes, they switched to masks all the time, not just in and out and in the lobby area.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: UpIsNowDown
Blah blah blah
You simply do not understand the circumstances.
She was at a kids game on school grounds.
You follow the rules or you get removed.
Upon entry you surrender some of your rights.
She chose not to comply and got arrested.

While the mask rules ARE STUPID AND INEFFECTIVE the school gets to make the rules for its property.

This post makes me so angry, you cannot imagine. If a person is doing nothing wrong, they should not at all have to obey orders just because some stuck up litte Hitler has not been trained properly or enjoys his illusive powers.
She can be asked a million times to leave, she was on school ground she paid for by paying taxes, it's her ground as well as the government's. She does not have to explain her illness to any tom, dick or devonte because it is confidential, she does not have to wear a mask outside and safely distanced.

The only person who is in the wrong is the guy, who doesn't know the current regulations and laws. He assaulted a woman illegally. He restricted her illegally [he's not the police], he is a thug and a bully and should be sacked and sued.

You are basically saying that anyone, any store security monkey, anybody with a badge, maybe even civilians with no brains can come and demand something and you' have to walk away and deal with it later' instead of standing your ground.

Nu-uh. I have asthma and I get hot flushes and panic attacks in shops quite often...and that is without a mask. I will not. EVER. wear a mask or be treated like cattle by a security monkey unless they are correct and I am wrong.
That's why it is important to stay informed. So you know your rights.
Yes, I might get tasered [and probably die - I once lost feeling in the left half of my body and my heart started beating funnily from a joke ring], yes I might get wrestled down by a guy who is three times the size of me [I doubt it, my husband would knock him out first] and yes I would suffer, but you know what?

I would know that I did the right thing, my dignity, my self image, my integrity and my sense of justice would stay intact. I care for those things a lot more than you can imagine. If I get killed whilst doing so, stick the truth on my grave stone, with a middle finger stuck up in bas relief.

How does it feel [and I am serious] to be so frightened of perceived authority that you won't challenge them in case they attack you?
It must do something for you, or you would be far more angry at this story and try to change the world in a small way towards freedom and not the opposite. One thing is clear, people like you have never helped to resist or bring down any tyranny or oppression. Instead you lot are very busy little helpers and good comrades.
After all 'the man said...so you have to...' also known as 'I'm only following orders' seems to be your motto in life, as if that is something positive.

Well done. Have a pat on the shoulder for that. You are aware that people like you will still feel the wrath from tyranny...only a little later on, when you become useless. You won't escape just because you doing everything they ask you to. Just thought I'd tell you already.

a reply to: carewemust

why a twitter link, come on man stick to your principles and leave twitter, loads of other sources on this story.

I'm sorry , but here I go again....
The more I read bullsh__ like this going on , the more I love my state and governor .

a reply to: ketsuko

She wore her mask in because she was outside and when entering could not maintain proper social distance, but once in the bleachers, she could.

Did she? Can you point me to her statement saying that? Or are you maybe just deciding you know what she did and why and going from there? I feel like it’s probably the second one, but if you can answer the first one I’m all ears.

Again, part of the Ohio mandate is that you do not have to wear a mask outdoors with your family group if proper social distance from other groups can be maintained, which it was.

And, again, the state athletic commission and school both have policies requiring facial coverings be worn at all times.

Is it wrong of her to think that maybe she didn't have to wear her mask any more, especially if she had asthma?

Is that what she thought? Or are you again ascribing a thought process to her that you have no basis for? Can she read? Can she hear? If yes to both, or one, did she not read the signs, hear the announcements at the ticket booth, or hear the announcements over the PA? I’m asking because you seem to know what was going on in her head so I’m hopeful you can answer as to the follow-on thought processes as well.

Again, I wear a mask into my aerobics studio and out of it. I do not wear it to exercise as we can maintain proper distance on the floor while exercising. It used to be the same as tae kwon do, but as we have a harder time maintaining social distance there with less space and fuller classes, they switched to masks all the time, not just in and out and in the lobby area.

Again, neat. Please tell me more personal stories.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
I’m asking because you seem to know what was going on in her head so I’m hopeful you can answer as to the follow-on thought processes as well.

I know what was going on in her head.

She's been to several games without a mask, when hauled away she was complaining about it because those next to her did the same.

She said, how many times we all sat together without masks.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Did he issue a trespassing notice to her before she refused to leave? When trespassing the owner or representative if an ‘other’ needs to tell the officers they are no longer welcome. Then he issues a trespassing notice. Then if they refuse you arrest and it’s handled in court. She was following the law of the state and I predict she just got rich and he gets unemployed.

Taze me fat ass. I could use the cash.

As a rule when a guy or gal with a gun and tazer and the law is backing them at that moment gives orders I listen to what they say and follow orders, because I have been tazed before and it wasnt fun dont really want to do it again, Ive also been shot at (not by the cops) and that was not fun either.

That said I had a LT come running up to me to yell at me for not wearing a mask inside an Open air plane hanger with nobody within a hundred feet till he ran up.

I laughed at him (I was in civillian status so he had less power than usual) then smiled big and said nobody was around me till you ran up, coughed and walked away.

I am sure someone will talk to me about that tomorrow, luckily most of the Senior NCO's think he is a gibbering moron.

ETA: That was not the time or place to argue it comply step outside and then ask for clarification etc.

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: schadenfreude
Ugh...
She should have left when they asked her to leave.

Absolutely not.

Oh
The property owner no longer has the right to control who is on their property?

She pays taxes,that are used to pay for the school,which her son attends if i am not mistaken. No the school is a public building. She told them she had asthma and that should had been the end of it,but no i guess the mans ears were full of fat and doughnuts to hear her.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Did she? Can you point me to her statement saying that? Or are you maybe just deciding you know what she did and why and going from there? I feel like it’s probably the second one, but if you can answer the first one I’m all ears.

I don't know and neither do you.

So at that point, it's your word against mine. You can have your feelz on the matter all you want, but if she didn't, then, as you say, would she bother to have a mask at all?

And, again, the state athletic commission and school both have policies requiring facial coverings be worn at all times.

And the state government does not.

I've already pointed out that this whole mess is a mass of contradictory rules. And I freakin' will use personal examples because they are what I darn well know. I live in a welter of city, county, and suburban jurisdictions that lap and overlap with different requirements. And they all change from week to week, block to block and even business to business.

So if I fail to get one right, I deserve to be tasered and arrested for it? Does she? Resisting arrest aside, the cop in this case went from 0 to 60. If half the cops in the US did that right about now, we'd have at on of dead rioters every night.

Is that what she thought? Or are you again ascribing a thought process to her that you have no basis for? Can she read? Can she hear? If yes to both, or one, did she not read the signs, hear the announcements at the ticket booth, or hear the announcements over the PA? I’m asking because you seem to know what was going on in her head so I’m hopeful you can answer as to the follow-on thought processes as well.

Dude, I'm not the only assuming they know what's going on in her head. You seem to be in the "Muh rights, 'Murica!" camp as the only possible reason she'd do this. So don't lecture me on assumptions. There are plenty of reasons I can think of for why, including that one, and none of them come out of the video.

a reply to: yuppa

The law states that even if a property is public a person can still trespass.

a reply to: iwanttobelieve70

I dunno, did he? Did he not?

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: yuppa

The law states that even if a property is public a person can still trespass.

After you are served with a notice OR the OWNER warns you UNLESS OTHERWISE POSTED. there were no "no trespassing" signs there tj hooker.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Blaine91555

I was wearing one of the standard cloth ones. I've ordered us some made out of athletic material. They're supposed to be lighter weight, more breathable, and moisture wicking, but they haven't arrived yet. I was hoping we'd get them today. I might try a paper one and see how it does.

The problem I have is that I have a narrow face so they tend to fall off easily. I also sweat buckets, so they get soaked fast.

I've not tried the fabric masks myself and I've only used the disposables. My wife made them at first for her to use while shopping and working.

Me, I've got a large head, so the disposables seem good for me.

I've been more or less sheltered since the start as I'm at extremely high risk, and I had already been working from home for years in our business. My wife is our public face, so she has to use the masks and the sanitizer when she's out.

I get whey people are upset over mandates, any mandates, but I'm not big on the idea of not wearing masks just to get attention or be a thorn in peoples sides. I do know there are alternatives and the disposables do not block breathing, unless of course it is psychosomatic. I get that too. Some people panic, but it's up to them to find workarounds.