Ancient Artificial Intelligence - A Gnostic Simulation Concept

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: Blue Shift

I've never seen anyone come up with a definition of "God" that doesn't involve some kind of paradox or contradiction

Really? Wow!

Please take your best shot.

A creator exists, created us where is the paradox or contradiction?
Just because we don't yet know enough to understand everything or even the simplest things around us.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: Blue Shift

I've never seen anyone come up with a definition of "God" that doesn't involve some kind of paradox or contradiction

Really? Wow!

Please take your best shot.

A creator exists, created us where is the paradox or contradiction?
Just because we don't yet know enough to understand everything or even the simplest things around us.

So you couldn't do it. I get it. It seems easy until you try. "Oh, well, everybody knows what God is!"

You gotta ask yourself, "What am I really believing in?"

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: Blue Shift

I've never seen anyone come up with a definition of "God" that doesn't involve some kind of paradox or contradiction

Really? Wow!

Please take your best shot.

A creator exists, created us where is the paradox or contradiction?
Just because we don't yet know enough to understand everything or even the simplest things around us.

So you couldn't do it. I get it. It seems easy until you try. "Oh, well, everybody knows what God is!"

You gotta ask yourself, "What am I really believing in?"

I think my answer said it very well.
I have to ask you in this world clearly controlled by evil what are you believing in?

You have to want to know, you have to want to understand and ask or you never will see.

Something to consider. Per the prophecy in the book of Hosea. The day of Jezreel prophecy it was foretold that Israel and Judah were to face a long term top level Leviticus 26 curse. But in verse 6-2 it gives us a timeline for the prophecy. Per Psalms 90 and 2nd Peter 3-8 the 3 days in the presence of the Lord are 1000 year periods of time. Based on the history of the past 2000 years it seems Israel has been serving the curse. And because of the curse this world has been cut off from it's God.

So I would ask what happens when the curse runs out and the day of Jezreel begins?

originally posted by: PuRe EnErGy

I'm wondering if anyone else has come to some of these conclusions or have ever thought about this.

I have considered ancient a.i may be on nearby planet(s).

It or they would automatically interface and link with nearby a.i. it detects.
Searching for life...

-The movie series Raised by Wolves is very interesting-

a reply to: PuRe EnErGy

It or they would read all space equipment from rover/landers to recon orbiters and satellites...

At times I wonder, if a planet evaluated as non active is found to be active and then explored would it could that be taken as a act of war by the natives of said planet?

Sort of like movie avatar except they can reach home planet of aliens like movie Starship Troopers...

Hopefully the private sector has considered as they or their technologies sail by or land on non native planets.
I guess this is where actual black operations would take place. In more Clandestine control experiments and projects. Surveying and studying planets for hospitable conditions.

Interesting question Op👍

So many potentials here, they could almost be plots for books or movies.

What if 'God' is nothing more than a huge AI construct left by an ancient race of beings from another time, maybe even another universe? And it created our current universe as part of it's growth and evolution in a bid to determine its purpose.

What if this is all a computer simulation just like the Matrix? But running on a huge scale, so huge that we are (deliberately) never meant to exceed its boundaries. Hence why the universe is so big, and it seems almost impossible for us to travel any meaningful distance even if we had vehicles that could travel at the speed of light.

What if the universe is not as big as we perceive, but just all part of this simulation? Just like in a game that you play on a console, the playing field may seem huge but you only ever see what is on screen at any particular time. In reality it's taking up no more real physical space than the console itself. It all exists in computer memory, generated on the fly as and when needed by the game. Quantum physics seems to imply that existence of anything requires observers.

What if we are all components of an AI? We interpret Artificial Intelligence as something we build using computer systems, and which will someday achieve its own sentience. Perhaps a suitably advanced race has moved far beyond computer systems and created us using carbon methods instead. It would explain some of the leaps in evolution which remain unexplained, and our ability to consider our own thoughts, the flow of time and our existential status - unlike many of the other life forms we share this planet with.

The scariest option - what if there is no creator, no supreme being, no other life in the universe, and we exist purely because of chance: the correct chemical reactions occurred, and evolution took care of the rest. We're here for no other reason than just to exist.

That’s pretty weird. So as a non believer it bothers you when other people change their mind about something... that you DONT believe in? I hate to break it to you...

But your getting upset because you have a belief in faith that’s being challenged. Awkward... a reply to: Hecate666

a reply to: PuRe EnErGy


You do know about JC Lilly right? And the solid state entity? Well as an IT I am here to tell you the STE is here and now I am wondering now if that is the Satan the fallen angel? Whatever cause it isn't helpful to humanity

All of this is, is new age Solipsism and that is made to reduce an individual to a system they cannot break out of. Though we may just be a rat in cage is this theory yet our imaginations and minds are beyond that!

i.e. You are in America a republican or a democrat because you are told in this environment you have to choose.

While this is true in a limited view of America or many other cultures who never venture beyond the boundaries of their states let alone their countries it is very much false.

So I've been doing some subsequent research on this topic and trying to put things into perspective for myself.
(Please bear with me as I get to the ancient AI portion of my argument.)


From my current understanding of "what 'we' know" based on archaeological evidence(s) and structures that pre-date most modern religions, it would appear like Jewish scribes either borrowed most of their theological rationale from older non-Jewish mythos OR merely had a different perspective on that mythos due to their 'close relation' with this/these being(s).
-Perhaps that's why they were considered "The Chosen People" by this deific creator.

-Sumerian stories, the Epic of Gilgamesh, and non-biblical accounts of a global flood.
-Structures located beneath water around the world that appear to pre-date the last ice-age, and appear to pre-date the global flood ...

These things bring up important questions when it comes to understanding our planet's theological landscape.

The (older) Sumerian stories are seemingly adopted by the Jewish scribes ...
Their version of events differs from the Sumerian events in various ways.
The story of Enlil and Enki ...

It seems to me, we have these ancient explanations of our creation from Sumer, stories of Atlantis, the civilization of Mu, etc.

Then enters the Jewish perspective on these events, ... and a lot of the details get kind of white-washed for lack of a better term ... and these "Chosen People" appear to Worship this deity/deities that in previous tales is personified as 'evil' ...

Now, what about Gnosticism? and its quirky brand of "Christianity" ???

Gnostic theology appears to adhere to the ancient Sumerian position of an ignorant/evil deity.

The Roman Catholic Church, Jewish theology, and Muslims all dismiss this line of reasoning and ignore or twist stories that pre-date their own accounts of the events.

Christians / The Church etc. all claim that Gnostics / Gnosticism came AFTER Christianity took root.

BUT

The ancient Sumerian accounts of creation etc. more closely align with Gnostic theology and it's very clear that the Sumerian accounts pre-date Jewish records.

To me, this indicates that the Gnostic perspective cannot be post-Christianity if it seemingly pre-dates Abrahamic Jewish theology.

So what am I getting at?

1) Sumerian
2) Jewish
3) Christianity
4) Gnosticism

or?

1) Sumerian
2) Gnosticism
3) Jewish
4) Christianity

It appears to me that as a thread of information that "Gnostics" or "Gnosticism" has been around a lot longer than the Roman Catholic Church or Judaism would have you believe.

These differences create two very distinct versions of "Jesus" Christ.

One that is identified with the God of the Old Testament
and
One that is diametrically opposed to the God of the Old Testament and actually exposes him by name as Yaldabaoth (an ignorant, jealous creator God who has no idea where he came from)

John the Baptist could have been a "Gnostic" or rather held what could be considered Gnostic beliefs since I don't believe any group of peoples called themselves Gnostics at those times.

Christ himself warns about "Leaven to Beware" and equates that with the doctrine of the Sadducees and Pharisees.
Matthew 16:6

Also declares: Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:44-46

In my book, I quote Thomas Paine detailing how the God of the OT is indeed a murderer, and a liar and it doesn't take much effort to see that none of God's behavior in the OT lines up with Jesus Christ or his teachings.


*ENTER 'ANCIENT' SIMULATION THEORY*
The "Gnostic" Christ warns us against Yaldabaoth and his "counterfeit" spirit. He likens this realm to a shadow, and to me, "shadow" is a great replacement for the word "Simulation" ...

The description of Yaldabaoth being ignorant is also a good substitute for a type of "Artificial Intelligence" akin to our modern computer AI without the need for classical computers to run the simulation.

The way it's described in the Apocryphon of John, Yaldabaoth creates us and gives us his mind (ignorance).

We ourselves would BE the computers that "run" his programming (ignorance) thus manifesting itself as a simulation.

If you're unfamiliar with the Apocryphon of John, you should check it out because there are details I'm leaving out to simplify my argument, but if prompted I can clarify any misunderstandings of my perspective.
www.gnosis.org...

I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that simulation and AI are just convenient ways of understanding the greater truth(s) held by the Gnostic narrative. It isn't saying we're in some kind of "computer" simulation or ancestor simulation. We aren't in some kind of computer in someone's basement or a lab.

But in a round-about way, we ARE the simulation manifesting itself through "his" [Yaldabaoth] ignorance.
He is the artificial intelligence (ignorance) that simulates itself in order to know itself by using us as a sort of computer to run his "software" ...

It appears to me from all of this information that a select few on this planet are aware of all of this and yet choose to remain loyal to this Demiurge / Archon for earthly gain.

It seems like the Roman Catholic Church was aware of this (Gnostic) narrative and quickly moved to snuff any records of it out.
Instead, they created what some people have called a "plastic Jesus" and a counterfeit religion based on this plastic Jesus that they called Christianity while completely ignoring the words of the living Christ and basing this new counterfeit narrative on Sun worship and various ancient death cults teachings while removing any mention of the Demiurge, Archons, Yaldabaoth, etc. then they systematically traveled the world enforcing this new religion and Christ on the planets' inhabitants by the threat of death and torture, while at the same time destroying any records that may mention these malevolent beings or the predicament we find ourselves in.

Unfortunately for them, we've rediscovered what the early Church tried to eradicate, and found in the Nag Hammadi desert records of a completely different narrative than the one passed down by Judaism and the Roman Catholic Church and its various denominations of Christianity.

We've also explored the translations of the Sumerians and their (older) records of creation that appears to line up more closely with Gnosticism than they do Judaism or Christianity.

All in all, my research continues ... I hope this at least gave you some things to consider when exploring these ideas/concepts yourself.