A baffling defense counsel move results in BWC and dashcam video release of cop killing

Its time to arm the police properly.

Higher caliber weapons, incendiary ammunitions. Etc. Every police on every call need to be reminded of this case and watch the video before answering a call.

Weapons free, straps loose.

it does not work like that. First, weight only gives you dosing within clinical ranges. People who take drugs regularly beyond clinical ranges have a higher tolerance, as more receptors remain bound with prior doses already.

Beyond that, polypharmacy creates its own issue. In the case of someone on PCP, the chances of a minimal dose doing anything at all is near minimal.

I have worked mental health admissions. I have seen the broad ranges of drug dosages that can effect people. Someone with a psychotic manic state may need dosing that would range double the average (not minimal) dose for that body weight, just to begin seeing an effect. Some people are resistant to some classes of drug. Some are allergic.

Its a ridiculous suggestion when you understand pharmacology.

a reply to: CharlesT

What you are suggesting would legally required a medical professional on scene to write a prescription or give verbal consent to medicate the person. I worked in the medical field for 15 years. My wife is a nurse. You can not legally administer any medication without a doctor's approval.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

My wife worked in a psychiatric hospital for about a year. Oh the stories she could tell. The hoops they had to jump through to medicate someone were crazy. They did it but they had to justify everything to give a B52 to someone that was off the chain.

a reply to: Khaleesi

I got out of the medical field in 2000. My wife is still a nurse in psychiatric care. For the most part, it all boils down to documentation. But still, not even chapstick is allowed without a doctors order.

For some reason, most of her patients call chapstick "lipchop". LOL

originally posted by: CharlesT
This is something I have a hard time understanding about non-lethal restraint devices.
Humans have been tranquilizing animals at least my entire life but officers have never used that technique in circumstances such as this.
Pepper spray and tazers but no sedative tipped air darts.

That is a very calculated risk, based on the weight of animal..etc

Not going to happen, waaaay too many liabilities

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

My wife works in long term care now. They can't give a patient tylenol without doctor approval. Basic over the counter things that we take for granted have to have doctor approval unless there is a standing order that allows it at the nurse's discretion.

originally posted by: Khaleesi
My wife works in long term care now. They can't give a patient tylenol without doctor approval.

You need a cop to shoot it into the patient from about 10 yards. Problem solved. You're welcome.

originally posted by: incoserv
Maybe the defense lawyer has some ethics and simply wants to put the truth before the court and the jury. Not saying he's sabotaging the case by any means, but of it's what really happened...

The truth was gonna go before the court and the jury either way. This moron argued for the video to be released to the public, proving his client is a murderer.

The only possible incentive I can think of is he wants to taint the jury pool so they can get the conviction thrown out later, because otherwise this is a pretty slam dunk case.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
a reply to: Shamrock6

Seems like someone making an entire thread about a video would include the video. Apparently that would be too much work and would add to the quality of the OP, wouldn't want that.

If you think the OP is about the video, you need to read the OP more closely.

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: Shamrock6

Are you trying to tell me they can't administer a minimal dose to anyone without effect? It may not have put him out into lala land but it certainly would have made him drowsy and controllable.
I don't buy your argument.

You don’t even have an argument.

There’s an entire area of medicine dedicated to safely administering anesthesia. The anesthesiologist in your operating theater is probably making just as much, and very likely more, than the surgeon who’s cut you open. Anesthesia is given based off your body proportions and blood chemistry. M

But sure dude. Let’s have cops try to administer a general anesthetic that people spend years in school learning how to do in a clinical setting, but let’s have them do it in a dynamic situation with a violent person. That’s brilliant, and you’ve made such an amazing argument for it.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Yea, but he pulled out the venerable “I don’t believe your argument” rebuttal already so I guess that means the discussion is over?

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: Shamrock6

Are you trying to tell me they can't administer a minimal dose to anyone without effect? It may not have put him out into lala land but it certainly would have made him drowsy and controllable.
I don't buy your argument.

Dude, I’m not even a medical professional but understand why they can’t do that. Some drugs have different effects at different doses. IE- a low dose of opiates often times gives a speedy or energetic effect, instead of the sleepy, numbing effect that higher doses give. My ex used to snort a lot of pills, when she’d want to be productive and get sh*t done, she’d snort half an oxy instead of a whole one and then haul ass around the house.

Same thing with ketamine, which I was surprised to find out is being used by LEO to subdue out of control people. That seems incredibly dangerous to me as the drug has different effects at different doses. A little bit will numb you out, a lot will throw you into a hallucinogenic tunnel (known as a k-hole).

You can’t just inject people with random doses of chemicals. You run the risk of creating the Incredible Hulk and going in a reverse direction of the original intention.

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: Shamrock6

Are you trying to tell me they can't administer a minimal dose to anyone without effect? It may not have put him out into lala land but it certainly would have made him drowsy and controllable.
I don't buy your argument.

Yes minimal doses will not put someone out. there is 3 main sedatives used on people alprazolam (Xanax) lorazepam (Ativan)diazepam (Valium). Now heres the dangerous part to put you under requires a dosage high enough that it can cause you to stop breathing. You are effectively overdosing on the sedative.

Anytime you are being knocked out that is a neurotransmitter called gamma-aminobutyric acid to work overtime. GABA is responsible for slowing down your brain. By upping its level of activity in the CNS, sedatives allow GABA to produce a much stronger effect on your brain activity.

So what this is saying is we are directly effecting nerve transmitters in the brain. Needless to say, you can see the possible problems with this from heart attack to respiratory failure. Or can even be placed in a coma for a long period of time. To be honest though less lethal then a gun is still lethal. This is why anesthesiologists monitor your vitals and are ready to instantly jump in if they see a problem. They may have to give you a stimulant to counter its effects.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I don't see why we can't just attach a battering ram to the top of every police car, complete with a 360° rotating platform and chair. The operator can sit behind bulletproof glass and if the suspect gets out of control, BOOM! POW! THWACK!, he can get smacked in the dome by 500 pounds of high compression spring loaded solid steel at 1,570 FPS. When the steel cable drags the battering ram back into place, they can make their arrest. We can even strap a My Pillow to the front to take the edge off the hit.

Easy peasy and this solves the argument of shooting medical butt darts at the suspects.

Hope this cop killer enjoys the electric chair

This toxic overly PC culture, you have a subject totally ignoring commands, furtive movements and again 40 stinkin commands to exit the vehicle, no compliance

You especially don't let these dirtbags use their phones and call for their own backup, no way. Take their phone and sit it aside

Absolutely disgusting, the dirtbags should be in the ground not our great law enforcement officers

a reply to: Drucifer

Darn right

Anybody that has ever tried to put down a 150 lb man after he smoked marijuana laced with PCP drug knows all about this

These chemcials give them super human strength, pain tolerance, etc

Why in the heck should an officer have to risk their safety & life to protect an out of control violent criminal anyhow? I don't support that at all

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: CharlesT
a reply to: Shamrock6

Are you trying to tell me they can't administer a minimal dose to anyone without effect? It may not have put him out into lala land but it certainly would have made him drowsy and controllable.
I don't buy your argument.

You don’t even have an argument.

There’s an entire area of medicine dedicated to safely administering anesthesia. The anesthesiologist in your operating theater is probably making just as much, and very likely more, than the surgeon who’s cut you open. Anesthesia is given based off your body proportions and blood chemistry. M

But sure dude. Let’s have cops try to administer a general anesthetic that people spend years in school learning how to do in a clinical setting, but let’s have them do it in a dynamic situation with a violent person. That’s brilliant, and you’ve made such an amazing argument for it.

Amazing isn't it.

These are the people who like to analyze bodycam footage as if their Law and Order binging gives them a nuanced understanding of police encounters.

No wonder there's so many riots and # over justified shootings.

Any link to the video yet?

originally posted by: Bloodworth
Any link to the video yet?