A Whirlpool in the Swamp: Major political indictments while the election is in contest?

My opinion is the swamp plays hardball. And the threat is that if you take them down they will take you with them. The Hillary missing emails being example one. If a regular seaman in the navy can get years in jail for a handful of photographs of a sub those emails should have been a slam dunk for a 20 year prison sentence.

Biden's China and Ukraine shenanigans again should have warranted 20 to 40 years for him and his son. So if they can't get this low hanging fruit then obviously nothing can be done. Laws just don't apply to the political class. Especially Democrats.

a reply to: incoserv

First,from how I see Biden, he is an over the hill politician who has garnered the vast majority of Democrat voters to vote for him to run against Trump. He is a democrat from the second half of the 20ths Century School of liberal beliefs on how to win elections and govern a ever increasingly complex society which has little in common with the places and times in which he is familiar.

There were only a few worse choices to be made from that stage of candidates. He is old and his mind, whatever there was of it in the first place is slipping off into doddering senility.

Recall how long it took him to announce? I do. I kept hoping he wouldn't. But I suppose that the internal polling of democrats realized that more than anything else, their road forward was as simple as name recognition. If we hold to the notion that most voters have over a long period of time pay little attention to the issues and the whos and whatnots that swing around every four years, it's as simple as that. Name recognition. Ole Joe was convinced by other ardent Dems that he was needed and so that side of him that is dedicated to liberal principles swayed him to run.
So as far as Biden goes he has almost nothing to offer my senses of political needs. Other than what the hell do the Democrats now have to offer to hope in beating Trump. To me, Biden is the last of the old faces from the Democrat Party. Should he win I do not see him governing, rather just maintaining that face of continuity with the past while other younger faces take charge beneath his image. He won't run for a second term if he even makes it that far.

Like many hear I see him hanging around for months or a year or so and then resigning for health issues or some other reason that he can leave. Hasn't he himself called himself a transitional candidate?

As for Trump, well, I"m not going to offer ''proof'' or arguments here any more. It's clear that most here are dead set in favor of him and will not or cannot see what is right in front of their faces. I know this from responses to posts that I have made. All too often it is claimed to me that I am brainwashed by the mass media. Quit watching CNN kind of stuff. Yet, you know what? Until less than a year ago I had never in my life paid any attention to that outlet.

But Trump. What I listen to is not the pundits, rather, I listen to the blather that comes from his own mouth. I listen to the manner in which he speaks, the drooling speech, the lack of understanding of the written words that he is asked to read. The way his mind wanders from topic to topic with little if any segue between much of it other than what he has swirling in his own head. But back to that name recognition.

Trump always was a believer in name recognition. This is why he always branded his products and businesses. Get that name out. Publicize. Make it a house hold name. Never mind that his casinos failed. Never mind that to a large degree that third football league crumbled. Never mind that his airline vanished. Or that he sold mail order steaks or that his University was a scam. Through all of it it was little more than his name being made a household word.

Borrow money to start another buisness. When it fails game the system and try again and again. And then along came NBC I think it was an offered him the job of celebrity host on a game show where, in the midst of high unemployment and national crisis he could sit in judgment of other celebrities and fire them. What a hoot that was. What a farce, but the American people bought it hook line and stinker. Name recognition.

Advancing that name recognition was what brought him into those debates. Get up there and say anything. Tear into the other candidates and make a splurge. Make himself out to be a hero of the under trodden. Advance that name so that when he lost he could use that increased recognition for his next project, likely I think some form of media outlet that he could control. But he tied into a couple of dedicated political theorists and observers who pointed him to a looming demographic that could be conned into believing that he was going to do all of this for them.

I gave him a minute when he was elected. Get the best people. Have the best economic know how. All the rest he offered. But nope, not enough for me to fall under his spell. Truthfully, I did not give him as much time as I did Obama before I gave up hope for him. Not much time though, I gave Obama a couple more months before I gave up on him.

Interesting perspective, who knows, anything is possible, hmmm?

However, with the election season in such high regards, I think this one will be monitored much more closely then ever before. In other words, with Trumps insistence on Voter fraud, it has spooked Democrats as well because what hyper partisan politics, all the big players are on screen in full view, ACCOUNTABLE. On the flip side, their cohorts, allies and operatives are working and fighting an underground war, away from the lens of Social media, some are dumping ballots, others are ensuring they get processed and registered, others are defending while many remain vigilant.

This is happening in all the major voting areas and while I don’t have a link to a source to “verify” this, this is something you glean off hand with other people in your network, that and the fact that you know it’s been happening for years. The difference here is existential and now many probably feel all those years were squandered during prior election seasons. What seemed so easy years before is now easily seen and discovered, as evident of the multiple instances of trucks stuffed with ballots, within minutes of being witnessed and called out on Social media.

So while I’ll agree that there will be a bunch of mysterious Blue ballots, a surge most likely, it’ll probably be taken with a grain of salt and thoroughly verified.

Our nation has never been tested in this regard and it makes you that much more salty at the fact that Democrats have balked at legislation aimed at election security and simple voter systems.

All I know is that Trump has spent his initial four years battling the establishment and beaten everything they’ve thrown at him, in doing so, he has dismantled them bit by by, the trade off was a burgeoning Progressive political party, using the Democrat platform as a stepping stone, however the old powers of the establishment have either been voted out of office, died and or simply too old, i.e, Pelosis, Schumer and McCain.

This is why I always go back to an interview by Steve Bannon that outlined a second term Trump Presidency, how he’ll have full control and can finally realize his ideals and ambitions without all the grip of the establishment, he go full scorched earth on those that did him wrong.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: chr0naut

"Normalcy" pertaining to politics, is a bad word in America. President Trump was elected to take us away from the status quo.

But based on Trump's accusations, which for the most part, have not proven out after four years.

You do realize that other political leaders have implied that their political opponents are all corrupt. Especially the most corrupt ones.

There have been political leaders who instead of running PR against their opposition, have prosecuted those guilty of crimes, without much fanfare, once they were in office.

Trump is having a hard time draining the swamp because those liberal gaters and pirahnas are attacking him when he tries.

originally posted by: rickymouse
Trump is having a hard time draining the swamp because those liberal gaters and pirahnas are attacking him when he tries.

He's the President. He is in charge of the DOJ.

originally posted by: ntech
My opinion is the swamp plays hardball. And the threat is that if you take them down they will take you with them. The Hillary missing emails being example one. If a regular seaman in the navy can get years in jail for a handful of photographs of a sub those emails should have been a slam dunk for a 20 year prison sentence.

Biden's China and Ukraine shenanigans again should have warranted 20 to 40 years for him and his son. So if they can't get this low hanging fruit then obviously nothing can be done. Laws just don't apply to the political class. Especially Democrats.

No doubt. Have a look at this. I iknow it's Rachel Madcow, but give Schumer's so thinly veiled threat a listen . Jump to 50 seconds if, like me, you can't stomach Mr./Ms./Mz. Madcow...


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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: rickymouse
Trump is having a hard time draining the swamp because those liberal gaters and pirahnas are attacking him when he tries.

He's the President. He is in charge of the DOJ.

The Attorney general is being nibbled on and told to resign by the pirhanas and gaters quite often.

a reply to: incoserv

Trump was hired to garner the only vestige of the Democratic party left alive that spoke to 'working class', the populist vote.

And the GOP were willing to use even the scummiest of tactics to do it. They did it with Nixon, Reagan, why not now considering you have Trump up on stage praising Reagan's Admin.

Trump isn't what is wrong with America, he's a symptom. The GOP and Dems (the establishment) have been ushering in corporatism for some years now. They had many trial runs around the world is the push of 'neo - liberalism' and NATO, the EU, UN, etc. are all in on it. Time and time again nations have been invaded and fallen, only to rise up again under the corporate powers of 'western' nations.
It's a global racket, and the US is next on the hit list.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: incoserv

I’d say, nope.

Everything you wrote rests on a delusion. This idea that Donald Trump is fighting a war against evil liberals that are trying to destroy the country. It’s fiction. It’s fictional conservative paranoia. And it’s been promoted as reality to all of you who have a need to believe it.

You’re being used. And I doubt most of you care as long as you think it makes the left look bad.

I agree with this, but someone should prove it to them at some point that this is not reality, otherwise they have to take our word for it.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: incoserv

Trump was hired to garner the only vestige of the Democratic party left alive that spoke to 'working class', the populist vote.

And the GOP were willing to use even the scummiest of tactics to do it. They did it with Nixon, Reagan, why not now considering you have Trump up on stage praising Reagan's Admin.

Trump isn't what is wrong with America, he's a symptom. The GOP and Dems (the establishment) have been ushering in corporatism for some years now. They had many trial runs around the world is the push of 'neo - liberalism' and NATO, the EU, UN, etc. are all in on it. Time and time again nations have been invaded and fallen, only to rise up again under the corporate powers of 'western' nations.
It's a global racket, and the US is next on the hit list.

Hey, I don't deny that the whole thing is one massive fecal feature. I never said that Donald Trump was some kind of messiah, that he was going to save western civilization, democracy and capitalism.

You guys sound like my son and a couple other people I know. They're incapable of even having a level headed discussion about politics; immediately jump into calling me a Trumpian or some such nonesense because I don't just jump on ORANGE-MAN-BAD bandwagon.

Read me post. See that I'm not trying to say that Trump is going to save us all. I don't know what's going to go down, or if he's even really working toward any positive end.

I do know that the problems we have are not of his making. Jackasses like Slow Joe who've been in office for four or five decades want to dump all the problems, all the bad stuff on him and refuse to take any responsibility for anything, then they try to gas-light people into believing that others are to blame for what they have blatantly done or not done; and there are simple-minded fools who will obediently nod their heads in sheep-lie fashion and just agree with not critical thinking, no analysis.

We've given Joe 50 years worth of chances, he's been a total ... what was that phrase I used? ... oh, yeah, feces feature. No way one man can fix Joe's fifty years of crapping on us in four years. I'm willing to give him another four to see if he can get us moving in a direction that benefits everyone.

Or, hey, if Americans want, let it all burn. I have legal residence in another country and I like it here.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: rickymouse
Trump is having a hard time draining the swamp because those liberal gaters and pirahnas are attacking him when he tries.

He's the President. He is in charge of the DOJ.

The Attorney general is being nibbled on and told to resign by the pirhanas and gaters quite often.

Has he resigned, or is he likely to?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: rickymouse
Trump is having a hard time draining the swamp because those liberal gaters and pirahnas are attacking him when he tries.

He's the President. He is in charge of the DOJ.

The Attorney general is being nibbled on and told to resign by the pirhanas and gaters quite often.

Has he resigned, or is he likely to?

He is stubborn, he is not going to let the Liberals force him to resign. Myself, I would charge those bullying him with obstruction of justice of a federal case.