Time to talk about this Cannabis is it Biblical as both a medicine and in the Holy Annointing oil

a reply to: KansasGirl

Alcohol and cannabis are two very different substances though. However I fully agree with the "buffer" thing.

There's no such thing as a recovered alcoholic yet I know a few people who used to be pot heads and can happily say no even in the most tempting situations.

Addiction and coping measures are a strange thing, people can forget what it is to be "normal" and to be frank this can apply to anything that is addictive. Sex, weed, coffee, chocolate, music, alcohol, fitness or any other mood alter or stimulator.

It's easy to judge without understanding, even easier to be selective on what vices are good or bad. Non of that line of thinking ever addresses addiction whether it's mental or physical. I guess I'm saying judgement never helps. Nor does stereotyping... That said potheads are usually not all there, alcoholics tend to be aggressive, fitness freaks tend to be body shamers.

The kicker?

It's never usually strangers we judge so harshly and personal experience says that telling people they have a problem seldom ever helps... Show them why it's a problem, allow them the chance to experience betterment freely and ultimately support them.

Nobody in their right mind wants to be a detriment to their existence.

originally posted by: TheLieWeLive
a reply to: KansasGirl

Do you mean I offended you? Why else would you be defensive about me trying to get people back on topic?

Get off your soapbox and get back on subject.

Come back when you're a mod please.

I've discussed this with mods in the past, conversations are organic. Often a related subject, in this case cannabis and it's relationship with addiction.

If everyone had to stay absolutely on topic most of the posts on this site would have to be removed.

a reply to: GBP/JPY

There's mushrooms.

When it comes to moderation they're somewhat of a wonder drug... The one's with a little nipple on top. Because you need to double your dose to have a similar effect as the first dose if you try to take them within a few weeks of the initial ingestion.

Which is fascinating to me considering they're extremely seasonal. Under natural circumstances they're very difficult to abuse. There's also tonnes of information in regards to it's spiritual applications.

a reply to: RAY1990

Yes, alcohol and weed are two very different things. I wasn’t trying to say that they aren’t.

Addiction runs the gamut, yes. I certainly still have other addictions, such as coffee, as an emotional crutch, because it brings up feelings of family and security for me. I’m ok with that addiction.

Not sure if you think I was saying I’m a recovered drunk, because I’m not. If I started drinking again it would quickly devolve into chaos. I’m not currently an active drunk. I’ve been sober 7 years and this is my SECOND time getting 7 years under my belt. I’m intimately familiar with the fact that alcoholics don’t “recover.”

Re: judgement- notice I straight up told the guy who said I was being self righteous that I was, thanked him for calling me out, and apologized several times.

I agree with your entire post. Probably just me but I felt it was kind of aimed at me, or lecture-y, but maybe that’s me just getting a taste of my own medicine.

Thanks for the comments.

Just curious: are you a recovering addict? Or work in the addiction recovery field?

originally posted by: and14263
Cannabis has now evolved (cross breeds) into ridiculous strains of high THC content. They serve no purpose other than to "get you smashed off your skull". The high THC content promotes paranoia, anxiety and increases risk of mental health problems in the most vulneable.

Time travel back 40 years and cannabis was mellow, reasonable levels of THC and CBD. It was effective at helping many ailments.

Now? It's just another drug to make money from kids and ruin lives.

Most people who smoke pot, the addicts, are basically 40 year old losers still playing computer games all day, thinking the world owes them, they think they are right about everything and have angst towards the world in general.

It's a really crap drug.

No. You could get high potency THC cannabis in the late 60’s in NorCal; the progenitors were genetically pure afghan cannabis species and were cultivated using the Oaxaca state of Mexico’s sinsemilla technique to guarantee purity, lack of pollination, and several other green thumb tricks. I could go on about the genesis of high potency THC marijuana, but you’re a know-at-all taking potshots and generally lacking in any substantive dialogue. Your opinion is a really crap demonstration of ignorance.

Travel back 40 years and get caught with cannabis attempting to relive those ailments, and the effectiveness would be next to nil because it was (and still is at the Federal level but that’s toothless) a Schedule I drug — good luck squaring that jail time with your feigned indignation over today’s cannabis's THC level.

And bravo shining so brightly your ignorance in painting those who, forty years later in terms of the social paradigm, are smoking pot as: “Most people who smoke pot, the addicts, are basically 40 year old losers still playing computer games all day, thinking the world owes them, they think they are right about everything and have angst towards the world in general.” Don’t know you from Adam’s housecoat, but it sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

originally posted by: and14263
Cannabis oil is not sweet smelling BUT if they are calling it sweet cane, then perhaps they are referring to the sap which comes from the actual stems, this could be sweet smelling, certainly 'planty'. But it doesn't have any advantages.

Well I have cat's I'm allergic to. And sometimes I get asthma from it. So I grew a special strain that is only 4% THC and 20% CBD's. I smoke it with a vaporizer when having an attack and it completely reverses the attack. Works better than any dangerous drug. And I don't have to get high as a result of the high CBD and low THC.

Cannabis is 10 times more effective than aspirin for pain killing. Also relaxes tight sore muscles. Makes you a better more creative musician. But that's with the higher THC. If it's super strong you just use less. I usually take it as a tincture.

originally posted by: caterpillage
Still trying to figure out if you're a genius, or crazy as a s%!t house rat.

Both can manifest In symbiosis.

originally posted by: caterpillage
Still trying to figure out if you're a genius, or crazy as a s%!t house rat.

Username (try clicking on it for profile etc) suggest... mad genius guy or maybe lucky typo!?

Absolutely not s**t house rat though. I mean that is just impolite to say such a thing and only suggests you may have been in said house or similar whilst smoking the holy oil

What do you think was being smoked while the Bible was written?

Q: Is marijuana mentioned in the Bible? A: Though cannabis by its proper name is never mentioned in the Bible, many Bible scholars believe that numerous references to a plant called calamus are actually mistranslations of cannabis. One of these references is to calamus/cannabis as a primary ingredient in a Holy oil recipe given directly to Moses by God

Is marijuana mentioned in the Bible?

a reply to: Cravens
Hit a nerve have I? You display typical defensive angst much like those loser stoners who can;t kick the drug nor find motivation in life.

You are referring to one state in America and possibly by default a middle eastern country. The entire rest of the world was smoking weak pot, even in your super-state, the majority of pot was weak.

Sinsemilla does not alter potency, it produces weed with no seeds. It's the same thing as your second point 'lack of pollination'. As for your 'green thumbs' third point... yeah dude, woah, good specifics.

Out of the hundreds of full time pot heads I know, I can probably pick 3 who haven't wasted their lives, even those guys are pretty lacking in motivation, get up and go, personal responsibility.

Most things are ok in moderation, keep it to the weekend, whatever, your choice. But you're crying like a stoner who just rage quitted their latest Xbox game at 3am in the morning after stuffing their face with unhealthy food, convinced it's doing you no harm because you have a 'fast metabolism'.

Are you rubbish at maths like the other stoners?

a reply to: Doctor Smith

"Makes you a better more creative musician."

Maybe alone, in your bedroom.

But countless times I've seen people become paranoid or just downright rubbish on stage because they got stoned before a gig.

As for creativity, I disagree, it gets people stuck in a rut, same old stuff churning out.

a reply to: KansasGirl

I was more pointing towards how we look at addiction in general. There's a lot of things people do daily that is kinda crazy but is 100% accepted in society. Smoking is frowned upon in general but 60 years ago it was widely accepted. I think ultimately it should boil down to personal freedom and responsibility. But sometimes neglect of responsibility hurts society and the conundrum of who steps in and when has to come into play.

It's a tricky line, something anyone on ATS should have seen pushed at some time... I'm guessing I'm not just talking vices and their legalities in that regard either.

I agree with your entire post. Probably just me but I felt it was kind of aimed at me, or lecture-y, but maybe that’s me just getting a taste of my own medicine.

Genuine apologies if my post sounded harsh, I was sincerely attempting to communicate my understanding. I have grew up around addiction, known people my own age die of liver failure, the misery and dispair inflicted due to addictions. I don't work in the field but I've come to an understanding with it, I have my own addictions too.

Much love for beating that ugly dog back twice! I mean that, life's a process of betterment I like to believe and I genuinely love hearing stories of people who don't stay down.

a reply to: RAY1990

Thanks for your kind reply. I asked about the “lecture-y” but because I am aware I can easily take things in a way they weren’t intended. I apologize, and thank you for your kindness.

The reason I asked if you worked in the field or are/were an addict is because you seem to have a very close perspective on it. I’m gonna just say that you have a better understanding of addiction than someone who goes to school for it but isn’t an addict or have a family member who is. Sometimes I think that family members/loved ones of addicts/alcoholics (I’m talking specifically of substance abuse, since substances change a person’s ability to function and their perception, like a drunk person in a blackout, for instance) may understand addiction better than anyone, since they are there for all of it. For example, I don’t remember calling my sister in a blackout, telling her I was driving around and was completely lost in downtown DC at 3 in the morning. I wasn’t “there” for that- but she was. My horror the next day was there, and the guilt, but she had to experience going through that on the phone with me, helpless, and then afterwards she then had the real worry that I would do it again and die.

Did you do any Alanon? Thanks again for engaging with me so kindly.

originally posted by: and14263
a reply to: Doctor Smith

"Makes you a better more creative musician."

Maybe alone, in your bedroom.

But countless times I've seen people become paranoid or just downright rubbish on stage because they got stoned before a gig.

As for creativity, I disagree, it gets people stuck in a rut, same old stuff churning out.

And you haven't tried it yourself so you don't know. Or if you did try it you smoked way too much and scared yourself to death trying to show off how much you could take. Just like the booze you probably guzzle down. Booze that I no longer use because I've wised up.

I agree it can be harmful if you're a fool and you try to get totally smashed. But If you know how to use it in the proper amounts it can be helpful in many ways. Has many medical uses and isn't toxic.

Almost harvest time for the Bubble gum and train-wreck. I wonder what the biblical strain names were.

Perhaps something like...Angel dreams, Kosher OG or Devil cookies.

You should taste my butter!!

I ve heard been called " The Devils Lettuce" before

originally posted by: Specimen88
I ve heard been called " The Devils Lettuce" before

And the same people said that Black people have the mark of Kane. Do you think they are right about Cannabis and blacks?

a reply to: Doctor Smith

How little do you know. Yet how much you assume.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Hey KansasGirl, thanks for the reply.

I've never actually worked in any of the field voluntary or otherwise but it is something I've considered for the future. There's a few times I've been on both sides of the call in your story.

It's a field I believe needs compassion and understanding, in your story you phoned your sister. It could easily have been a DUI and more negativity that'll just hinder you becoming a better person. A professional's job is to treat you, if they feel you're a danger to society or yourself they will lock you up. I've never been sectioned or locked up but I've seen the effects of that kind of treatment and all I can say is yes a little compassionate oversight would do wonders.

Because I've yet to come across a person engaged with professionals successfully control their addictions when they weren't 100% commited to the effort. When it's forced upon you I can't imagine it does anything good for trust, wellbeing or self belief.

From personal experience it's those things that make up a large part of fight. Maybe it's why some turn to religion, my compass always pointed more towards humanity but each to their own!

Did you do any Alanon? Thanks again for engaging with me so kindly.

Drugs were my serious addiction, from a young age too and substance abuse was always about getting out of my mind than into a certain state of mind.

Anyways thanks for the reply! I kinda miss down to earth conversations round here