It just doesn't happen

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: Phantom423

There is no evidence either way. Personal belief: NO.

Has nothing to do with evidence but you did say NO!

So you think the building blocks of life can just magically
come together and spark life in an organism that was waiting
how ever long it takes. In a puddle some where, rather than
what is obvious to me. That the permutations of protein
to protein interactions being 10 to the seventy nine billionth
power and only one will work? A being only of superior mind
could be responsible for transient information succeeding.
The mind is without doubt more likely than no intelligence
involved. This mind would also explain the spark of life that
is truly the miracle never to be replicated by humans ever
any way.

I think therefore you and science are making the extraordinary claim
that requires extraordinary evidence.

You seem to be hiding behind a call for evidence when there really
is no need to prove the obvious?

When scientists can create life then they can sell their evolution.
But if you can't prove the magic you suggest you certainly can't have
evolution.

What is so obvious? You still haven't explained what the answer is or how you figured it out. Please elaborate.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Phantom423

All that has been posted so many times it's beyond comprehension that even an idiot like you can't understand it.

You and your pal are more evidence that there is no evidence for anything you propose. You belong to a wacko cult whose goal is to perpetrate fraud and financially capitalize on the guppies who pay to listen to you. Did you ever pay the GoFundMe contributors back when they took down your fraudulent crowdfunding effort? I doubt it.

You're a cheap shot, Cooperton. You've been flattened so many times it's a wonder you can stand up straight (maybe you don't).

Anyone who has been following these threads knows by now that there is no observable verifiable examples of a population of organisms evolving. All organisms remain essentially the same: fruit flies remain fruit flies, mice remain mice, microbes remain microbes, etc. Evolution doesn't happen, despite over a hundred years of scientists trying to do so through artificial selection..

As per usual, you have corrupted the definition of evolution. Evolution never said that a cat turns into a dog or a mouse turns into a horse. That's YOUR corrupted interpretation. You think you can get away with repeating a falsehood over and over again. Well you can't. There are over 500 journals on evolutionary biology and 200,000 research articles that prove you wrong. What do you have? Zero. Nothing. You never did and you never will. You're a liar and a fraud.

Evolution happens. Evolution is descent with modification from pre-existing species. It is cumulative change. That's the reality.

Evolution may be defined as any net directional change or any cumulative change in the characteristics of organisms or populations over many generations—in other words, descent with modification… It explicitly includes the origin as well as the spread of alleles, variants, trait values, or character states. (Endler 1986: 5)

a reply to: TzarChasm

There's only one planet with life on it. If intelligent design was responsible you can be sure that it wouldn't stop at just one.

Okay now this is interesting Chaz. Why do you think he wouldn't stop at just one?

Forget the point for a minute.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

What is so obvious? You still haven't explained what the answer is or how you figured it out. Please elaborate.

It is obvious that the intelligible complexities of biology require an Intelligent Creator. Evolution has never been shown to be possible in a lab, and it is a fantasy that is ruining people's understanding of who and what they are. It is a dead-end philosophy that has harmed the national philosophy for some time now... I'm not sure why you are so hell-bent on perpetuating it.

a reply to: carsforkids

When scientists can create life then they can sell their evolution.
But if you can't prove the magic you suggest you certainly can't have
evolution

And here's proof positive that you're an idiot. Evolution is not about origins or abiogenesis. It's about CHANGE.
You need to go back to school or get a few real biology books so that you know what you're talking about.

originally posted by: Phantom423

Evolution may be defined as any net directional change or any cumulative change in the characteristics of organisms or populations over many generations—in other words, descent with modification… It explicitly includes the origin as well as the spread of alleles, variants, trait values, or character states. (Endler 1986: 5)

Sure organisms can adapt via allele drift, epigenetics, and so on, but they can never become something other than what they are. Fruit flies always remain fruit flies, despite countless generations of artificial generation trying to evolve them in a lab.

And here's proof positive that you're an idiot. Evolution is not about origins or abiogenesis. It's about CHANGE.
You need to go back to school or get a few real biology books so that you know what you're talking about.

Phantom, stop being so childish. You are incapable of responding without resorting to insult. If the science were unanimous regarding evolution you wouldn't have to consistently resort to insult and semantics.

Evolution has never been demonstrated in a lab because it does not happen.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Phantom423

Evolution may be defined as any net directional change or any cumulative change in the characteristics of organisms or populations over many generations—in other words, descent with modification… It explicitly includes the origin as well as the spread of alleles, variants, trait values, or character states. (Endler 1986: 5)

Sure organisms can adapt via allele drift, epigenetics, and so on, but they can never become something other than what they are. Fruit flies always remain fruit flies, despite countless generations of artificial generation trying to evolve them in a lab.

And here's proof positive that you're an idiot. Evolution is not about origins or abiogenesis. It's about CHANGE.
You need to go back to school or get a few real biology books so that you know what you're talking about.

Phantom, stop being so childish. You are incapable of responding without resorting to insult. If the science were unanimous regarding evolution you wouldn't have to consistently resort to insult and semantics.

Evolution has never been demonstrated in a lab because it does not happen.

And neither have any divine activities been produced in a lab. No indication that any cosmic agency is or has ever been present and participating in our world. Surely that would be easier to demonstrate than a natural process that takes thousands of years to occur, what's taking so long for these creatures to descend from the heavens or transmit some form of greeting to introduce themselves in a meaningful sense. It just doesn't happen.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: carsforkids

Question fer ya!

Do you agree that a mind superior to our own is the most likely explanation
for the origins of life on this planet?

There is no evidence either way. Personal belief: NO.

There's only one planet with life on it. If intelligent design was responsible you can be sure that it wouldn't stop at just one.

There has been no communication that can be verified as an intelligent transmission from extraterrestrial agencies. This suggests either we are alone or we are too stupid to detect their transmissions and therefore ill prepared for this kind of debate.

No one has tried to invade our planet even once, and if humans are any indication of what intelligence looks like, that's a little weird.

Just some notes that draw a pretty compelling picture in my mind.

Spectroscopic methods for detecting life in the universe are in their infancy. The microscope wasn't invented until the late 1500's. We just landed three probes on Mars which will explore for evidence of life. I'm optimistic that eventually we'll find something (or they'll find us). Our solar system sits on the outskirts of our galaxy, far from the billions of clusters towards the center.

There's no logic to intelligent design. Nor is there any evidence. It's a scapegoat logic which simply feeds back into the old idea of a god, goddess or super being. The theory of intelligent design is meant to inhibit all analytical thought and exploration. "Stop the clocks! We have the answer!" People buy into it and what do they do? They stop thinking.

a reply to: cooperton


It's been posted ad infinitum on this board. You're a liar and a fraud.

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: cooperton


It's been posted ad infinitum on this board. You're a liar and a fraud.

Still waiting on you to prove that Nucleotide monomers can polymerize into their primary structure. Also still waiting on you to tell how you can solve for age of a specimen in radiometric dating if you don't have the initial concentration. These are two examples of how you refuse to admit you are wrong. You would take your bias to the grave, and are incapable of intelligible conversation without resorting to insult.

Go ahead and continue to believe in the faith of evolution, but you could try being a decent cordial person on the side.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: cooperton


It's been posted ad infinitum on this board. You're a liar and a fraud.

Still waiting on you to prove that Nucleotide monomers can polymerize into their primary structure. Also still waiting on you to tell how you can solve for age of a specimen in radiometric dating if you don't have the initial concentration. These are two examples of how you refuse to admit you are wrong. You would take your bias to the grave, and are incapable of intelligible conversation without resorting to insult.

Go ahead and continue to believe in the faith of evolution, but you could try being a decent cordial person on the side.

I don't like frauds. I don't like dishonesty. I don't like theft.

You have ZERO evidence for any of your crap.

Evolution is real. Natural selection is real. Both have been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. When you have peer-reviewed evidence, published in a recognized journal which endorses your crap, let us know. In the meantime, there's nothing to discuss.

a reply to: Phantom423

And here's proof positive that you're an idiot.

I'm pretty sure you just proved that about yourself.

Evolution is not about origins or abiogenesis. It's about CHANGE.

Because I never said that it was or that it wasn't about change Einstein!

You need to go back to school or get a few real biology books so that you know what you're talking about.

I seem to have your attention what's that say for you?

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: cooperton


It's been posted ad infinitum on this board. You're a liar and a fraud.

You need to go back to school and learn some manners or anger
management or see a counselor or face facts when you're wrong.

You make the most extraordinary claim (that a single cell can just
magically hocus pocus itself together) and offer not one shred of
evidence to back it up. And yes when you negate God from the
equation you are saying something even more outlandish than you
propose intelligent design to be. So by that if you can't back your
own impossible claim? You certainly can't have it your way. Because
as far as I'm concerned science doesn't lie. But scientists well that's
another story all together. Just as I've always known. And James Tour
lays it out perfect. So quit have'n you're lil sissy tantrum and prove
him wrong. lol

That's all I am saying.

a reply to: Peeple

You are a miracle healer but miracles don't need healing.

a reply to: TzarChasm

urely that would be easier to demonstrate than a natural process that takes thousands of years to occur,

Here we go Chaz hello Earth to Chaz? See You can't use
time as a friend in this. That is an illusion because it's been
shown that time works against what scientists only wish were
true.

You should at least know that! If you're gonna parade yourself
on an open forum like some Mr. Big Brain for years. Like it's your
job or something. At least know what it means when you claim
God doesn't exist.

Dont see any god saving any one be it a virus a war of just bad luck crossing a street .
Funny thing is you got all this froma Guy who would have been charged with destruction of privet property in this day and age .
You got this from a guy who when he did not find any fruit on a fig tree he cursed it .(Matt. 21:18-22; Mark 11:12-14, 20-25)
You got this from a guy who when Confronted with His own mortality final words were ( why have thou forsaken me Psalm 22.
And finly you got this from the Guy who when asked to bless a women said The woman came and knelt before him. Lord, help me! she said. He replied, It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs. Yes, Lord, she said, but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table Matthew 15.27

All from a guy who was said to be the son of a god and knew no sin .I wont even go into the old testament .
Your god is insane he kills indiscriminate He does not follow his own laws .

A guy who was said to be perfect and yet made such a imperfect animal such as man . A guy who MADE is own worst enemy The morning star .
Yes sure youy worship the one who killed more humans then any thing else go with that because according to your book YOUR next when The tribulation happens . Its either die for him ( what happened to the guy who was to die so we dont have to anyway ? or goto the lake of fire .

I see NOTING perfect about any of mans gods they all have the same anger issues . Even Jesus through a fit or two .

a reply to: olaru12

Some of us can achieve PhDs, beleive in higher powers AND also understand evolution is real.

a reply to: Noinden

Some of us can achieve PhDs, beleive in higher powers AND also understand evolution is real.

Of course evolution is real or the word itself wouldn't exist. But a
magical comet strike turned the dinosaurs into chickens? GTFO

a reply to: carsforkids

See the problem here seems to be the monotheists who think that their way is the only way

a reply to: midnightstar

I see NOTING perfect about any of mans gods they all have the same anger issues .

Only an atheist could ignore such hypocrisy in their own right.