Beirut hit by massive explosion wounding several and damaging buildings

There Ammonium Nitrate on that ship.Same stuff as the Oklahoma city bombing.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Vasa Croe

vasa..the sound of the stuff burning was what sounded like a jet engine or missile. I mean that stuff is used in propellant.

Pipeline ruptures can sound like a jet engine running.

But, by Vasa Croe's logic, this is evidence that these are NOT pipeline accidents. There are jets involved. We have proof.

So....now there was a pipeline there too? Yes....they do sound like that because they are under pressure and until they pop, the fuel burns as it spews out under pressure....

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Vasa Croe

vasa..the sound of the stuff burning was what sounded like a jet engine or missile. I mean that stuff is used in propellant.

Pipeline ruptures can sound like a jet engine running.

But, by Vasa Croe's logic, this is evidence that these are NOT pipeline accidents. There are jets involved. We have proof.

So....now there was a pipeline there too? Yes....they do sound like that because they are under pressure and until they pop, the fuel burns as it spews out under pressure....

That's not the same incident. Do your homework.

And the fact that they sound like a jet engine is proof there was a jet involved. These were obviously failed assassination attempts.

ETA: Seriously though, you need to take a step back and unplug. You're having a bad day. I mean, did you seriously think I posted those videos to claim there was a pipeline rupture at the Beirut explosion? I obviously posted them to demonstrate that just because something sounds a certain way doesn't mean that's what happened, ie. just because a witness says they heard a jet or a missile doesn't mean there was one. How did you not follow that? You're off your game today man.

a reply to: face23785

it was wonder woman and her invisible jet.

originally posted by: TDawg61
There Ammonium Nitrate on that ship.Same stuff as the Oklahoma city bombing.

Maybe the guys on the ship closed off their pipes from the ship to protect themselves but on the other side tossed in a Sparking device to send it to the plant and start the initial fire.

originally posted by: TDawg61
There Ammonium Nitrate on that ship.Same stuff as the Oklahoma city bombing.

Has to be mixed with Fuel oil to be that deadly per what the FBI claimed but all explosive experts that are not on the federal payroll now say that the Oklahoma bombing could not have been a fertilizer bomb and cause that much damage given the size of the truck and supposed 55 gallon drums, it had to be military grade bomb or bombs sinked together.

a reply to: RudeMarine

Doesn't need fuel oil to make it explosive. Heat will do the trick. Perhaps a fire nearby?

As ammonium nitrate is a salt, both the cation, NH4+, and the anion, NO3-, may take part in chemical reactions.

Solid ammonium nitrate decomposes on heating. At temperatures below around 300 C the decomposition is mainly to nitrous oxide and water

NH4NO3 → N2O + 2H2O
At higher temperatures, the following reaction predominates.[7]

2NH4NO3 → 2N2 + O2 + 4H2O
Both decomposition reactions are exothermic. Consequently, when the mass of ammonium nitrate is greater than the critical mass the decomposition is explosive. Many ammonium nitrate disasters, with loss of lives, have occurred. The brown colour in an explosion cloud is due to nitrogen dioxide, a secondary reaction product.

Wiki

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Reference TEXAS CITY DISASTER 1947

Ship, The GRANDCAMP, being loaded with Ammonium Nitrate caught fire . The captain did not want to use water to fight fire

Decided to seal hatch and inject steam from engine room to smother fire

Bad Move

Ammonium nitrate is oxidizer which doesn't need outside oxygen to burn . By sealing hatch and injecting steam raised
the Ammonium nitrate to decomposition point An additional point is that this Ammonium nitrate was treated with rosin and wax as moisture repellents . This sensitized the ammonium bitrate and turned it into high explosive
The first explosion on GRANDCAMP also set fire to another ship loaded with ammonium nitrate , the HIGHFLYER which exploded hours later Hundreds, some say thousands were killed and city leveled

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Video from about 600m away that has been slowed down. Look at the car roof in front of the person filming.

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Full speed video here

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A suitcase nuke could have a yield as low as .19 KT. That’s very weak as atomic munitions go. The only thing I have seen with the kind of blast effect as seen in the video other than a nuke, is a fuel air bomb.

a reply to: Nickn3

Nuclear weapons have an unique signature, the double gamma flash, a burst of gamma rays is emitted at instant of detonation. Followed shortly, several milliseconds, by second flash from expanding fireball

US military satellites carry gamma detectors for this reason In fact the gamma detectors on early satellites were triggered by mysterious gamma flashes until scientists discovered were coming from outside galaxy by massive supernovas

a reply to: face23785

Yeah...always neat when a high level political opponent gets taken out by accidental massive explosion....right before the case of the last one taken out in the same manner is supposed to be judged....how convenient.

a reply to: RexKramerPRT

Doesn't need fuel oil to make it explosive. Heat will do the trick. Perhaps a fire nearby?

Not necessarily Fuel or diesel oil is used because its cheap and readily available

Almost any combustible material added to ammonium nitrate will convert it to high explosives

Seen Spanish formula using ammonium nitrate and ground spent tanning bark as a cheap mining explosive !

a reply to: firerescue

I was referring to the blast in Beirut. It didn't need fuel oil.

a reply to: RexKramerPRT

The decomposition reaction of plain ammonium nitrate generates about 60 % energy equivalent of TNT

Mixing with combustible materials increases the explosive force

a reply to: firerescue

Very interesting, largest industrial accident in American history on par with this incident.

The displacement energy is incredible, it caused a 15 foot wave that reached up to 100 miles away, that is crazy.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: firerescue

Very interesting, largest industrial accident in American history on par with this incident.

The displacement energy is incredible, it caused a 15 foot wave that reached up to 100 miles away, that is crazy.

Sediment concussion is much more devastating than underwater detonation.

a reply to: RudeMarine

There's frequently confusion between ANFO and ammonium nitrate. The media frequently uses ANFO for both, but they're not the same. ANFO needs a fuel mixture of just under 6%, and another explosive to detonate it. Ammonium nitrate requires large quantities to do major damage, but can be detonated by itself with a blasting cap, or even enough heat.

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: firerescue

Very interesting, largest industrial accident in American history on par with this incident.

The displacement energy is incredible, it caused a 15 foot wave that reached up to 100 miles away, that is crazy.

Sediment concussion is much more devastating than underwater detonation.

So are you saying being partially in water insulated part of that blast ?

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: firerescue

Very interesting, largest industrial accident in American history on par with this incident.

The displacement energy is incredible, it caused a 15 foot wave that reached up to 100 miles away, that is crazy.

Sediment concussion is much more devastating than underwater detonation.

So are you saying being partially in water insulated part of that blast ?

Sort of....I am more talking about the effect on water. But same applies to land that is build on sediment. It will transfer a concussion much stronger at a shorter distance than water alone, but much more powerful.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
a reply to: firerescue

Very interesting, largest industrial accident in American history on par with this incident.

The displacement energy is incredible, it caused a 15 foot wave that reached up to 100 miles away, that is crazy.

Sediment concussion is much more devastating than underwater detonation.

So are you saying being partially in water insulated part of that blast ?

The one thing I see nobody talking about is the still standing wall at the site. That forced a LOT of the blast away.....