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Based on what? A handful of fatal white-cop-on-black incidents?
Based on what? A handful of fatal white-cop-on-black incidents?
Problem is, some suspects run and/or fight.
I'm not justifying abuse of authority, I'm saying it's rare and inevitable, when we put young men in harms way.
originally posted by: Flesh699
This problem is easily solved by training the police in the same way the military are trained. Police only get like 4 hours of training a year. It's no wonder this happens.
originally posted by: ElGoobero
There seems to be an overwhelming nonstop barrage of abuse on the police these days. Rioters and protesters taunt and attack them, the media bashes them, even their city officials condemn them.
originally posted by: ElGoobero
Based on what? A handful of fatal white-cop-on-black incidents?
Okay, one such incident is one too many. No one is defending Chauvin's knee on George's neck. No one denies that police (of any color) sometimes abuse their authority over their prisoners and suspects (of any color).
originally posted by: ElGoobero
I've noticed all these incidents have one thing in common; the suspect violently resisted.
Police handle thousands of suspects every day without incident. They approach, talk, search, read rights, restrain (cuff) and take to the office for paperwork. Often the miscreant is released the next day. Routine.
originally posted by: ElGoobero
Problem is, some suspects run and/or fight. Often these suspects are on drugs or alcohol, which makes them out of control. anyone remember the first part of the Rodney King tape? we saw an enraged giant fighting off multiple police officers.
originally posted by: ElGoobero
Resisting changes the whole situation. It's easy to process the arrest and paperwork but as soon as violence ensues the policeman must consider judgment calls, usually on the fly.
How much force is too much? Easy to sit in an office or at a computer and lecture John Law about what they should/should not can/ can not do, but if you're on the street with two hundred pounds of drug-crazed young man (of any race) trying to hurt you and maybe take your gun you don't have much interest in the procedural flow chart. You're trying to survive a situation full of unknowns (which might result in your death. Police want to live too).
originally posted by: ElGoobero
I saw on online article last week entitled something like 'what do I tell my black children about dealing with the police'.
tell them to comply and don't resist.
and if they're on drugs...well stay home before you hurt yourself. or others.
originally posted by: ElGoobero
ucr.fbi.gov...
FBI says ten million arrests in the USA in 2018.
not counting suspects questioned and released.
how many times a year do police abuse their authority? a thousand times a year? that's not one percent, that's one percent of one percent.
originally posted by: ElGoobero
There seems to be an overwhelming nonstop barrage of abuse on the police these days. Rioters and protesters taunt and attack them, the media bashes them, even their city officials condemn them. Based on what? A handful of fatal white-cop-on-black incidents?
how many times a year do police abuse their authority? a thousand times a year? that's not one percent, that's one percent of one percent.
how many of these 'countless examples' are the same handful of stories over and over?
how long are we going to blame today's police for brutal actions of ten, twenty, fifty years ago?
that's why networks are pulling shows like COPS or Live PD. they don't want to show what the police have to put up with. fighting, cursing, taunting, spitting, head butting, on and on. and we expect our officers to maintain their poise and not over-react.
... nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; ...
I'm not justifying abuse of authority, I'm saying it's rare and inevitable, when we put young men in harms way.
originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: ElGoobero
How many times should police abuse their authority. It should be ZERO PERCENT! IT SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN AT ALL! As soon as police abuse their authority they should be fired. Period.
I don't agree with that either. The police's job isn't easy. When a police officer is attacked they should be allowed to defend themselves. However executing someone while in custody should never be allowed. Ever. Americans have the right to not be deprived of life without due process.
Unfortunately it's not rare. It happens way too often. There are quite a few people in prison that don't belong there. And a bunch of dead people that should still be alive.
any such action is investigated and disciplinary action taken. there are bad cops like there are bad teachers and bad lawyers and bad pole dancers. if you have a formula to weed out 100% of the problem children lets hear it.
originally posted by: DoctorBluechip
a reply to: ElGoobero
It's the use of discriminatory abuse language which they're expected to partake in which is something inflammatory in itself .
Eg the ( innocent ) suspect is at the property ( his home ) and is a male ( a man ) , ic2 ( black )