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The only thing Trump can really do is show he's willing to use force so that's what he's doing.
The number of business owners who, instead of riding out a temporary lockdown, shed staff (and also probably requested government support) is indicative of the danger of a pure profit motive taking precedence over people's lives. I'm as Capitalist as the next guy, but surely money is of less value than people.
originally posted by: MRinder
a reply to: chr0naut
The number of business owners who, instead of riding out a temporary lockdown, shed staff (and also probably requested government support) is indicative of the danger of a pure profit motive taking precedence over people's lives. I'm as Capitalist as the next guy, but surely money is of less value than people.
Just because a person owns a business, or even large corporations for that matter, doesn't mean they have an unlimited money supply to keep paying people with no sales attached to it. Given the lockdowns and the fact that GDP dropped by like 50% in one quarter, companies are trying to retain cash just to survive. Survival of the company is not just for the owners or the shareholders. It is also for the workers, because if the business doesn't survive there are no jobs to come back to.
Money is of less value than people, but money buys the things people need to survive, ie food, clothing, shelter, healthcare. Money makes the world go around. That is why shutting down the economy over a virus was not a very bright idea. The world needs a functioning economy in order for people to live.
Somebody has to work to drive the trucks that bring products from factories to market. Someone needs to process the food. Someone needs to man the stores for people to get food. Most people don't have a few cows, pigs, and chickens in their backyards to survive a pandemic.
There is no business person, manager, etc that looks forward to laying off people, but sometimes you have no choice but to sacrifice the few for the many.
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: MRinder
a reply to: chr0naut
The number of business owners who, instead of riding out a temporary lockdown, shed staff (and also probably requested government support) is indicative of the danger of a pure profit motive taking precedence over people's lives. I'm as Capitalist as the next guy, but surely money is of less value than people.
Just because a person owns a business, or even large corporations for that matter, doesn't mean they have an unlimited money supply to keep paying people with no sales attached to it. Given the lockdowns and the fact that GDP dropped by like 50% in one quarter, companies are trying to retain cash just to survive. Survival of the company is not just for the owners or the shareholders. It is also for the workers, because if the business doesn't survive there are no jobs to come back to.
Money is of less value than people, but money buys the things people need to survive, ie food, clothing, shelter, healthcare. Money makes the world go around. That is why shutting down the economy over a virus was not a very bright idea. The world needs a functioning economy in order for people to live.
Somebody has to work to drive the trucks that bring products from factories to market. Someone needs to process the food. Someone needs to man the stores for people to get food. Most people don't have a few cows, pigs, and chickens in their backyards to survive a pandemic.
There is no business person, manager, etc that looks forward to laying off people, but sometimes you have no choice but to sacrifice the few for the many.
Multi-millions of job lay-offs occurred in the very first week. I think the government should look into those companies and business owners, but that probably will never happen.
originally posted by: HalWesten
originally posted by: smurfy
I find it funny, (as in funny peculiar) that the rioters seem to vanish before being detained, while the non-violent, and innocent protesters get charged at, fisted, knocked down, batoned, tear gassed equivalent, struck with police shields and rubber bullets in the neck....by the police, at the behest of Trump's cue.
I wonder how the learning curve gets so twisted, when the elephant in the room is so obviously in the White House.
Why don't you put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the actual people responsible? The looters and rioters. Almost everything you just attributed to Trump is false. I don't care if it had been Bush or Obama or even Clinton, the lies from your side are disgusting.
originally posted by: smurfy
Who told the police to attack (and attack they did) a peaceful gathering then...Billy Barr?
My, "disgusting lies" which are actually true, should be more applicable to your, 'disgusting rhetoric' .....or could it be you just don't watch the news as it is happening, as I did, and I dare say as did lot of people, and I dare say a lot of those went into 'damage control' trying to salvage a totally irresponsible and corruptive, would be dictator, and at the same time trying to save their own faces.
originally posted by: MRinder
originally posted by: chr0naut
originally posted by: MRinder
a reply to: chr0naut
The number of business owners who, instead of riding out a temporary lockdown, shed staff (and also probably requested government support) is indicative of the danger of a pure profit motive taking precedence over people's lives. I'm as Capitalist as the next guy, but surely money is of less value than people.
Just because a person owns a business, or even large corporations for that matter, doesn't mean they have an unlimited money supply to keep paying people with no sales attached to it. Given the lockdowns and the fact that GDP dropped by like 50% in one quarter, companies are trying to retain cash just to survive. Survival of the company is not just for the owners or the shareholders. It is also for the workers, because if the business doesn't survive there are no jobs to come back to.
Money is of less value than people, but money buys the things people need to survive, ie food, clothing, shelter, healthcare. Money makes the world go around. That is why shutting down the economy over a virus was not a very bright idea. The world needs a functioning economy in order for people to live.
Somebody has to work to drive the trucks that bring products from factories to market. Someone needs to process the food. Someone needs to man the stores for people to get food. Most people don't have a few cows, pigs, and chickens in their backyards to survive a pandemic.
There is no business person, manager, etc that looks forward to laying off people, but sometimes you have no choice but to sacrifice the few for the many.
Multi-millions of job lay-offs occurred in the very first week. I think the government should look into those companies and business owners, but that probably will never happen.
My first question would be why would the government need to investigate a company for laying off anyone for any reason (other than layoffs based purely on race or age) since they are free to do so?
Also, early job lay-offs make sense for company owners when the government chooses to shut down their business and they know they aren't going to have any revenue due to that fact.
originally posted by: HalWesten
originally posted by: smurfy
Who told the police to attack (and attack they did) a peaceful gathering then...Billy Barr?
My, "disgusting lies" which are actually true, should be more applicable to your, 'disgusting rhetoric' .....or could it be you just don't watch the news as it is happening, as I did, and I dare say as did lot of people, and I dare say a lot of those went into 'damage control' trying to salvage a totally irresponsible and corruptive, would be dictator, and at the same time trying to save their own faces.
What the hell are you talking about? Barr didn't tell anyone to do anything to looters and rioters. Police were overwhelmed in all of those large cities. Very few were able to do anything but sit back and watch the criminals destroy businesses.
That was no peaceful gathering and you know it.
originally posted by: rickymouse
I keep wondering, how many of these rioters are getting big unemployment checks from the government. Or is it that they can't collect them and are mad that they can't get that money since they didn't qualify because they did not have a job that qualified them...jealousy.
originally posted by: smurfy
Who told the police to attack (and attack they did) a peaceful gathering then...Billy Barr?
originally posted by: tanstaafl
originally posted by: smurfy
Who told the police to attack (and attack they did) a peaceful gathering then...Billy Barr?
It is called self defense. If the rioters didn't want to be attacked, they shouldn't have attacked first.
I say - use the opportunity for sniper target practice. Set them up on tops of buildings, and start taking out the rioters one by one, leaving the so-called peaceful protestors untouched. I say so-called, because if they are there, while the riots are going on, they aren't really peaceful protestors, they are fake peaceful protestors. Kind of like how those peaceful muslims silently and quietly condone and support what the jihadists are actively doing.
originally posted by: smurfy
'police attacked crowd of protesters' police had been confining, it was a peaceful protest.