Current coronavirus tally may represent only 6% of total infections

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

My opinion of you is that you're taking advantage of this situation to push an agenda against capitalism and for limiting rights and liberties. I can provide links where you've said as much if needed.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Lol, I’ve always been against capitalism, I am not using this situation to take advantage of it. The burds have come home to roost.

Stay safe.

Meh I am over this pandemic, work has become, the cheapest bids, and everyone is scared of me, and I have to work harder than ever just to get dismal gross profits. Getting old really quick. Just remember folks you get what you pay for.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

As I've told you, this isn't capitalism. Capitalism doesn't manipulate itself artificially, which is exactly what the governments all over the world did in allegedly addressing COVID. Real capitalism would have rightly left the decision (and consequences good or bad) of businesses remaining operation based on their demand to the business owners. That's not what happened. In many ways the economic collapse we are witnessing is communism in action and affords us a sneak peek at what things in the west would look like if business was nationalized.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

You have told me, but your assumption that capitalism doesn’t manipulate itself artificially is incorrect.

Back in 2008 we had to artificially manipulate capitalism through the bail out of the banks or in capitalism speak such as troubled asset relief programmes, aka socialist programme for capitalist business failure.

So, capitalism is fine just as long as we can keep people in their place and keep the markets going. Fake, manipulated, fraudulent,

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
a reply to: burdman30ott6

You have told me, but your assumption that capitalism doesn’t manipulate itself artificially is incorrect.

Back in 2008 we had to artificially manipulate capitalism through the bail out of the banks or in capitalism speak such as troubled asset relief programmes, aka socialist programme for capitalist business failure.

So, capitalism is fine just as long as we can keep people in their place and keep the markets going. Fake, manipulated, fraudulent,

And I can show you where I decried those bailouts as being the antithesis of free market capitalism back then on ATS. Again, not an example of the proper application of capitalism in any way. Businesses and individuals must be permitted to sink or swim on their own merits. Where the wheels fall off the bus is when socializing losses occurs, be that corporate or individual welfare. A true (nationally) free market capitalist state, with artificial controls limited entirely to strong national protectionist policies, is a tremendously strong state from the bottom up. You have to step back and allow failures to fail and the natural consequences that come with those failures (namely economic natural selection) to take place or you're artificially keeping the anchor tied to your economy's neck as well as your citizens' abilities to prosper.

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
a reply to: tanstaafl
I pay for health insurance through my taxes and National Insurance Contributions. My God, you sound like a Tory bot and I have had the displeasure of engaging with enough of them in the last month.

Anyone with an honest bone in their body knows that the taxes and 'contributions' you pay never come even remotely close to covering what the average person uses in socialized systems.

Not. even. close.

The systems users costs are paid for by the young/healthy who are too busy living to go to a doctor...

originally posted by: tanstaafl

The systems users costs are paid for by the young/healthy who are too busy living to go to a doctor...

Who in turn as they get older and need it get supported by the following

young/healthy who are too busy living to go to a doctor?...


The circle of life .... You pays in ..... and get it when you need it!!

originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: tanstaafl
"The systems users costs are paid for by the young/healthy who are too busy living to go to a doctor..."

Who in turn as they get older and need it get supported by the following young/healthy who are too busy living to go to a doctor?

Yes, that is the selling point that the lazy/greedy lap up...

Of course, it is totally unnecessary, if people actually take personal responsibility for themselves. Health, wealth, happiness, etc.

I don't want or need welfare/charity to help me live out my old age. I'm perfectly fine taking care of myself.

What a weak argument. The virus is novel so somehow warrants our complete shutdown regardless of any reality that’s taking place. The flu killed far more people in 2018 and we didn’t bat an eye, annual occurrence. We label 40% of the total death count without testing for COV-19. This years annual cold and flu got people scared they have a novel virus that might kill them, that’s all.

You might want to do some of your own research...

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

originally posted by: tanstaafl

Yes, that is the selling point that the lazy/greedy lap up...

Many of those 'lazy/greedy' did without, went to war and brought up those now

young/healthy too entitled/busy living to go to a doctor.

Of course, it is totally unnecessary, if people actually take personal responsibility for themselves. Health, wealth, happiness, etc.
I don't want or need welfare/charity to help me live out my old age. I'm perfectly fine taking care of myself.

You're painting with a very broad brush there. Most people do just that, but

there is always a percentage of people who will take advantage.

Good luck with taking care and responsibility for your self, I can relate to that

as it is my intention too............ providing I don't get dementia or disabled

through a stroke or something, in the mean time.


My father a proud independent man had an accident (not his fault) three months

before he was due to retire, he was bed ridden and brain damaged and my mother

nursed him for ten years before he died.


Do you think he would have wanted that?

All the planning in the world doesn't account for that!!

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

How many people have died since January 2020 of pneumonia, or other respiratory illnesses and haven't been tested for COVID-19? Is it possible that instead of having to revise the numbers down, we might have to revise the numbers up even more?