Corona Virus Updates Part 6

I haven't been on the the thread for a long while but I do remember Tennisdawg's posts and as well as the comments about the virus passing through everyone 3 times or more, as another poster stated, the original strain, the alpha and the 3rd now being the delta, a couple of more lines from Tennisdawgs post stand out with what is going on now. He stated that it would lead to a war between the 2 main players on the stage, economically, it would be the USA and China.

Add in what is happening in Afganistan, and with China holding 80 percent of raw minerals that are needed the world over and Afganistan having just those particular raw materials and with China offering the Taliban funding to mine these resources, will there be a proxy war eventually fought in Afganistan?

Could this be the conflict/war that Tennisdawg was referring to.
Just throwing it out there.

a reply to: alphacenturi

Interesting, if very disturbing thoughts, there.

Be good to hear Tennisdawg‘s thoughts! I wonder if he’s still lurking.

I think what was said was:
It will infect you 3 times.
The 1st time is asymptomatic.
The 2nd one knocks you into hospital.
And the 3rd into the grave.


I just read in the news in Germany:
There are a growing proportion of young people in hospital now and they don't understand why.
I suspect, they are on their 2nd infection.


Maybe the vaccine will reduce the infection enough to give you another chance or even save you.
With all the bad news about the vaccine coming out, I am pretty certain that "they" know, that this is a lot worse than people think it is.
Reading the latest threads on ATS and the news, makes me inclined to prepare to get the vaccine in the next couple of months, I think I know enough and know what to look out for. And remember eat raw onions.



On a side note: all these Threads on ATS on the WuFlu, but no one is talking about long CoVid. Good idea for a thread if someone has time. It is really bad.

a reply to: McGinty

Yes I have been thinking heavily about Tennis Dawg over the past few
months & I actually was looking thru all me notes this morning & thought
about compiling his post just to re post the info he provided cause it
seems to be bloody spot on at least for the most part.

I was hoping he would return with more info...

Cheers
Ektar

I heard on local news USA tonight that Pfizer will probably or will be
APPROVED by Mon 23 Aug...

Disregard my previous post about 785 French deaths, it was Russia, and I may need spectacles

a reply to: McGinty

Yeah it can and we’re trying to figure out the fine details infecting animal models. The older strains of SARS-CoV-2 are slower at generating new virus than other respiratory viruses. It really slows down in generating new viral RNA.

It is a positive sense RNA virus so it needs to generate negative sense RNA first to generate nascent or new positive viral RNA from that template. These negative sense strands are generated into smaller templates and used to generate supporting processes to generate more virus, it also is segmented because it is occurring backwards based on markers and signaling in the template. So there is a slow down there as they are combined and used as a template. Plus with some other stuff going on in the cell. It’s only strength is the positive sense original RNA can jump to protein generation very quickly with direct ribosome interaction.

So immune stimulation from a vaccine or exposure to most other respiratory viruses will suppress SARS-CoV-2 production. Confection by these viruses will suppress SARS-CoV-2 production because the other viruses will outbind and outcompete SARS-CoV-2 binding and replication except for influenza A and maybe B.

Now with a large amount of people most likely showing latent, asymptomatic, and whatever is going on with these vaccinations and infections regarding SARS-CoV-2. In that unique case, SARS-CoV-2 will outcompete every other pathogen because of its head start.

Immune processes seem to respond better with vaccination and exposure to other pathogens with follow up exposure to SARS-CoV-2. This is one of the reasons why I think masking up is idiotic and will cause problems down the road. But there is the issue with influenza we will see in the upcoming months.

We have a lab exploring influenza and COVID coinfection. Next time I see them I will ask what’s going on since they have had a few cohorts as of now. I believe that their data was showing timing was important but there are some serious concerns we will see this fall and winter. That is coinfection with Influenza A virus and then getting SARS-CoV-2, especially these new strains of both, are going to act as a force multiplier for death rates. The inflammatory processes are already problematic with the flu, then with COVID it is destroying the lungs and respiratory tract after exposure to influenza followed by COVID. Almost like COVID takes advantage of the signaling and compensatory mechanisms going on during the flu most likely through the ACE2 pathway. This may be occurring with other strains of influenza as well.

This is the most likely cause of the coming crap storm, not subsequent COVID infections but I would like to see immune host to COVID, followed by flu, followed by new variant of COVID and that impact. Unfortunately, many of these studies are ongoing and won’t be complete until spring.

I would avoid getting the flu followed by COVID though, especially in vulnerable groups.

originally posted by: Aldolas
And remember eat raw onions.

Is this to guarantee social distancing?
😉

a reply to: Ektar

If you have the time to repost Dawg’s predictions, it’d be good to reprise and ponder.

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: Ektar

If you have the time to repost Dawg’s predictions, it’d be good to reprise and ponder.

Yep, that would be awesome!

In the meantime, anyone interested in rummaging through his posts can find them here...

Tennisdawg's Post History

He started posting from the very first Corona Virus Update thread.

a reply to: Encia22

Very active until January, but nothing since then. I hope TD is ok, wherever he is!

So is the msn starting to ask the proper questions?

Is catching Covid now better than more vaccine?

There are marked differences in your immune system after a natural infection with coronavirus and after vaccination.

Which is better?

Prof Adam Finn, a government vaccine adviser, said over-vaccinating people, when other parts of the world had none, was "a bit insane, it's not just inequitable, it's stupid"

Some very interesting question observations and hopefully the start of being able to avoid stupid booster after booster.

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Is there much consideration/discussion going on for vaccine-derived virus interference?

Of course, like everything nowadays, some people latch onto stuff like this like butter on bread.. But I do think it is, perhaps, more important to be critical than ever in an age where dogma and zealotry seems to rule the day from literally every direction. Particularly when considering how advanced fraud has become. (Notable, but somewhat tangential link from that article here)

Very interesting discussions to be had in general here, imo. Particularly if we talk about the vast potential of legitimizing the inclusion of "non-institutional/establishment" approaches, analyses, etc. However, when it comes to ongoing, broad impact situations like the current one.. I believe it is even more critical due to everything from conflicts of interest to simple mistakes that can be made in the "heat of the moment."

I know that there has been some pretty interesting stuff looking into coinfections in general in the past few years, regarding interferon, etc.

I still maintain that raising baseline public health would deliver a clearer picture and significantly more efficacy in actually dealing with SARS-CoV-2, as well as all other viruses, pathogens, and disease in general. Pretty simple steps may yield substantial results even if its just diet (less processed foods, more vitamin/mineral focused diets), exercise, and sunlight. However, I think those that are receptive to this have already heard it, and that we will never see meaningful education/information being delivered by most (or any) of the big names involved in a lot of this. Things like Salt Masks may have ended any PPE issues before they even entered the discussion too.

I also still believe that continuing to make the distinction that covid is the disease rather than a virus might be one of the most critical factors in play for a variety of reasons.

Hope you are well

a reply to: Serdgiam

From a biological standpoint I would only expect it to maybe occur with an attenuated or live vaccine. Maybe getting the flu after vaccination too. Judging by their results, the data was clouded by naturally occurring factors including natural infection of other pathogens and the different environments encountered by each test subject. What a nightmare that would be to interpret that data lol.

This winter, if we see both the flu and COVID running rampant it will just get stupid. Vaccinated will blame unvaccinated and unvaccinated will blame the vaccine when in reality it’s two or more pathogens taking advantage of a vulnerable immune response and amplifying it.

originally posted by: TheAMEDDDoc
a reply to: Serdgiam

Judging by their results, the data was clouded by naturally occurring factors including natural infection of other pathogens and the different environments encountered by each test subject. What a nightmare that would be to interpret that data lol.

This was my conclusion as well. There seems to be a signal there, but it would take significantly more exploration to figure out. Sadly, the lack of scientific exploration and research is used to explain it all away as irrelevant (ETA: talking about medical treatments here specifically, rather than more natural infectious processes). "If it was something important, we would have explored it already." I really, really dont like this dogmatic, arrogant approach that seems to be slithering its way into more mainstream discourse!

My own guess is that these broader spectrum interactions may be absolutely critical to understand though. I personally suspect that they may be as likely to be detrimental as they are beneficial. Now.. if we can focus on the latter, that would be something. However, no further studies are really forthcoming on the subject and pretty much everything is focused on a single coronavirus and a single disease. I expect this to become a very serious problem, if it hasnt already.

Things like DRACOs may be a bit more targeted and helpful, but may be problematic as well. Overall, this is why I like the idea of more "basic" approaches for us to get our footing on public health in general. Now, Im not involved in these medical circles, but as far as I can tell, there are still no discussions about relevant aspects like atmospheric dispersal of pathogens either. Jetstreams seem to possibly play a bigger role in these things than we might have thought just a decade or two ago.

This winter, if we see both the flu and COVID running rampant it will just get stupid. Vaccinated will blame unvaccinated and unvaccinated will blame the vaccine when in reality it’s two or more pathogens taking advantage of a vulnerable immune response and amplifying it.

I think we can expect mass stupidity (and clinical psychosis) on a scale never before seen, honestly.

Particularly coupled with powerful individuals & organizations exploiting the situation, immensely weakened immune systems and medical systems globally, and rampant tribalism on topics where they have no place.

People are addicted to talking about whatever is propagated in the media. Which itself is determined by algorithms that drive and derive from extreme emotional engagement in the population. Its a very dangerous cycle imo.

originally posted by: McGinty
a reply to: Encia22

Very active until January, but nothing since then. I hope TD is ok, wherever he is!

Yes, me too! A glimmer of hope is that according to his stats, his last visit was August, 19th 2021.

a reply to: Encia22

Well spotted! Guess he’s just keeping his powder dry. Good for him!

From today's Guardian Live Feed at 18h16, some Info about the USA's FDA Approval of Pfizer :

In Pfizer’s clinical trial, approximately 12,000 recipients of the vaccine have been followed for at least six months.

The FDA’s approval extends the shelf life of Pfizer shots from six months to nine months.

It also confirms that the vaccine increases risk of heart inflammation, particularly among young men in the week following their second shot.

The Pentagon said it is preparing to make the vaccine mandatory for US military personnel.

The approval makes it easier for physicians to prescribe a third dose of Pfizer’s vaccine off-label for people who may benefit from additional protection.

The FDA is not recommending that children under age 12 get the vaccine because there is not “proper data” proving its safety.

Pfizer is expected to submit data this fall to support the shot’s emergency-use authorisation for children under 12 based on smaller doses.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, representing children’s doctors, discouraged having children under 12 receive the vaccine.

Pfizer shares were up around 2.5% and BioNTech shares were up more than 10%.

a reply to: MonkeyBalls2
Well....

The FDA is not recommending that children under age 12 get the vaccine because there is not “proper data” proving its safety.

If that's the case, then it's not safe to give to adults either!
Rest my case.
Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: angelchemuel

None of my kids will be getting it, I still ignore our healthcare plan when they call asking for study volunteers.

Luckily they are all under 12 and the one who has epilepsy and autism is closest to 12. He ain't getting that shot, I'll write the note myself and then get his neurologist to sign the thing.

a reply to: TheAMEDDDoc

Not forgetting the RNA bacteria plus its abilities.