What my numbers tell me about this lockdown

The world is in debt

How do they all get out of this debt?

To get out of debt we need to manufacture more goods and become less of a service oriented culture.

Sounds simple right?
Here's the catch.

We will have more pollution from more manufacturing.

AND the value of dollars and interest rates have to drop for a favorable economic climate for manufacturing.

AND bc the fed will need to keep printing money the stock market will need seasonal "cool downs" to avoid a bubble.

By locking down, we are seeing pollution drop, dollar values drop, interest rates drop, and lots of people that were costly on welfare/healthcare to the govt are now dying by selection.

Below is a link to news articles talking about the impact on pollution the lockdown is having.

Pollution news

So every year during flu season, World leaders are going to expect us to lockdown bc the flu will get stronger to keep trimming the most expensive people to the world govts and keeping the planet from being too polluted during a manufacturing boom.

We need to get out of debt so anyone else see a way to do it without more pollution?

Do the elites or whoever is in charge really need to create pollution anymore? They got media now.

a reply to: tonycodes
It's all monopoly money.

They already won that game.

a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar

I agree with that, but that doesn’t explain why they kept playing the game for 4K years. perpetual debt just doesn’t seem like it’s as profitable or able to impress the sheep as much as going back from negative to zero. Then from zero to a surplus. Then dropping it again of course.

a reply to: tonycodes
They are playing 4d chess.

We are playing checkers.

I don't understand either.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: tonycodes
It's all monopoly money.

They already won that game.

America was in deep debt before the virus.

Trump keeps talking as if America will 'mechanize' against the virus like they did in WW2.

The virus problems won't be over for about two years. During that time, every other country will be calling in their money from the US, because they have all taken a hit.

I don't think there will be an American economic rebound.

a reply to: tonycodes

So that is a fairly easy answer. The greed is what kept it going for 4k years. Pure capitalism works, greed destroys it and makes it into crony capitalism. We have yet to create a system that eliminates the human need of greed.

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: tonycodes
It's all monopoly money.

They already won that game.

Every country* has a centralized bank printing currency with no tangible backing, literally conjuring billions of dollars into existence. You, you're the collateral. The potential tax revenue and production profit of a human being. Your children have been sold into debt slavery and for generations to come. Your pension? It doesn't exist. It's numbers on a screen not wealth in a vault waiting for you to collect after 55 years (minimum) of slavery. It's an unfunded liability.

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
– Thomas Jefferson

Every country is in debt to other countries. How many countries are running on a surplus right now? How many countries have more revenue than debt/unfunded liabilities? They can't pay anything back and yet they borrow more money from countries that have none to lend. Again, you are the collateral.

“The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else.”
― Frederic Bastiat

Fiat currency, meaning 'make it so' or 'force' is backed by... well that's hard for me to explain. The government says it has value and as long as people have faith in that sentiment then it is true.

“At the end fiat money returns to its inner value—zero.”
– Voltaire

The 2008 "bubble"... It was never dealt with. The fallout was just pushed back to a later date. They administered morphine so you feel better for awhile... but you still have cancer and the tumors aren't shrinking. Now throw in something like covid-19 and globalization and this whole fragile economic system starts to collapse globally. Their solution? MORE MORPHINE.

This leads to war. We're going into another god damned world war because our ancestors were too stupid to cut this cancer out before it took root. Because their ancestors were too stupid to prevent it from happening in the first place even though they were warned. America got sick during the Panic of 1907 and died in the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”
– President Woodrow Wilson (regretting signing into law the Federal Reserve Act)

“And I sincerely believe with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”
-Thomas Jefferson

“The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended.”
- Frédéric Bastiat

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before morning.”
– Henry Ford

*North Korea and Iran excluded. I don't think there's any others left.

This falls right in place with the “Global warming/green” agenda under the guise of no more pollution after the pandemic eases.



a reply to: tonycodes

How do we stop businesses from moving production to 3rd world countries for cheaper labor?

Apple, Nike, etc have been masters of this for decades.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
How do we stop businesses from moving production to 3rd world countries for cheaper labor?

Apple, Nike, etc have been masters of this for decades.

I don't know. As soon as your competition starts exploiting those markets, and you're not, you've lost.

The, let's call it a freemarket, is very good at producing with minimal cost because the profit margin is the driving factor. You'll end up with efficiency and plenty. However you lose out on other considerations, like sovereign control of your nation. These massive corporations end up having more pull and influence in your government than they should and their bottom line is still profit, not effective governance. They'll lobby for what it is that suits them. CONSUME. They're all international now, it's nothing for them to pull out of one country and set up in another. They like doing that when threatened with things like taxes... simply because it's often cheaper to relocate entirely than pay them. They have real influence in your state, in regards to employment, wealth generation and lobbying... but the real allegiance is to the dollar.

You could try to force the work-forces of companies that operate in your country to stay in your country... but your work-force simply isn't going to work cheap enough to stay competitive on the global market. These companies will leave your country and continue to sell you the products they make. Perhaps if you waited long enough for the rest of the world to catch up to western living standards the profit margin differential between foreign and domestic workers would normalize.

We've systematically destroyed the middle class and small business. That used to be the ladder the meritorious used to climb from the lower classes... now if you want into the shrinking middle class it's about how much of an obedient cock-sucker you can be. The middle-class, small business types used to employ a substantial share of the work force. Now, they simply cannot compete with globalized super-corporations and a government that rigs the game against them.

There's no easy answer. If you hate international corporatocracy... and I know this is going to give many people a visceral gut reaction... then you're probably looking at something like national fascism, where the state controls major aspects of business, trade and it's direction but it's still largely free to operate in a capitalist manner. To me, it's less concerning than the other alternative, globalized socialism.

I realized I've completely ignored pollution and the green agenda. It's because it's not as important as you think it is. It isn't about saving the world, it's about shifting power into a more authoritarian socialist frame of reference.

I'm not saying we shouldn't have renewable energy sources, stop soaking our soil in poisonous petroleum based fertilizers/pesticides, quit spewing toxic chemicals into the air, dumping our trash into oceans... I'm saying your leaders don't actually care about any of that. The silly thing is, if you're against their fake virtue-signaling green agenda cover story then they say you're against green policies all together. To be perfectly #ing honest, all they ever do about climate change is use it as an excuse to collect more taxes, restrict your movement, cripple historically republican industries and pound their chests about how much they're doing in this global effort to save our environment.

“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”
- Frederic Bastiat, The Law

a reply to: tonycodes

How do we get out of this debt?

You empty the bank accounts of the 1%ers, elites, and corporations, then redistribute their wealth accordingly amongst our respective populations.

You write off stupid debts that nations and people have no hope of ever being able to pay back.

Hell of a lot easier said than done all the same given the grasp "they" have on our respective nutsacks.