368 Deaths in Italy in the Last 24 Hours...

a reply to: LookingAtMars

Nope your information is dated .

93% of confirmed cases were mild.

For me the biggest mystery concerning coronavirus.

Is why people get bent out of shape when you deliver good news ?

a reply to: Fallingdown

93%.

Ok let's use the lowball numbers we've been given.

50% infection, not 70%. 7% serious, not 20%.

365,000,000 Americans times 50% infection is =

182,500,000 cases. Times 7% serious case rate is=

182,500,000 x 0.07 = 12,775,000 serious cases needing hospitalization.

By your numbers.

originally posted by: YouAreLiedTo
a reply to: Fallingdown

93%.

Ok let's use the lowball numbers we've been given.

50% infection, not 70%. 7% serious, not 20%.

365,000,000 Americans times 50% infection is =

182,500,000 cases. Times 7% serious case rate is=

182,500,000 x 0.07 = 12,775,000 serious cases needing hospitalization.

By your numbers.

Bye bye healthcare systems!

a reply to: YouAreLiedTo

Exactly !!!!

182,500,000 x 0.07 = 12,775,000 serious cases needing hospitalization.

That’s why we need to concentrate as many resources as possible on the 60 and over crowd.


They can’t take up a hospital bed if they don’t have to go to the hospital .

originally posted by: Fallingdown
Hopefully this is the peak we’ve been looking for and there will be a decline in new cases .

Just like China and South Korea .

I have no solid proof, but the word I get out of China is that the government is lying about the numbers. According to www.worldometers.info... China shows fewer total cases today than they did 4 days ago.

a reply to: Fallingdown

93% of confirmed cases were mild

Well if WorldOMeter say's it, it must be true.


I hope you are right my friend.

This is what people aren't getting healthcare system will be eviscerated!

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: Fallingdown

93% of confirmed cases were mild

Well if WorldOMeter say's it, it must be true.


I hope you are right my friend.

How can people still be along the lines of this is still just the flu it will blow over. What's it gonna take for some to take this serious.

originally posted by: shawmanfromny
These numbers are depressing, but there may have been another contributing factor that played a role in these deaths.

Italy’s current national health service, known as Servizio Sanitario Nazionale (SSN), provides free universal care to patients yet remains under-funded. Investments in public healthcare make up only 6.8% of the country’s gross domestic product (GDP)

“The continuous cuts—to care and to research—are obviously a problem right now,” Casani says. “We were not prepared. We do not have enough doctors for the people. We do not have an organized plan for pandemics.”

time.com...

Could it be true that Italy cut off treatment to the elderly due to a lack of medical supplies and staffing? I bet most of these deaths are older patients.

Italian doctors say they have been forced to ration services for older, sicker patients in order to prioritize younger patients who are more likely to be saved from the virus outbreak

www.breitbart.com... F4QfPmGBg0xD53lchJUADE

Yes, they are having to choose who will get treatment and who has the least chance of recovery, the criteria being age, general health. This info is from a family friend in Italy.

Really bad situation.

originally posted by: dainfamusgc

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: Fallingdown

93% of confirmed cases were mild

Well if WorldOMeter say's it, it must be true.


I hope you are right my friend.

How can people still be along the lines of this is still just the flu it will blow over. What's it gonna take for some to take this serious.

The only thing would be if it hits close to home

a reply to: Nickn3

China shows fewer total cases today than they did 4 days ago.

That happens with my stars and flags .

a reply to: LookingAtMars



Me too!

Go down to the bottom of that site. You’ll run across one of the longest list of sources , footnotes and questions with links .

I’m picky about my sources and I found that one to be pretty solid .

originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: YouAreLiedTo

Exactly !!!!

182,500,000 x 0.07 = 12,775,000 serious cases needing hospitalization.

That’s why we need to concentrate as many resources as possible on the 60 and over crowd.


They can’t take up a hospital bed if they don’t have to go to the hospital .

Hate to point out the obvious, but...

They won’t have to go to the hospital if they would just quietly die in their homes.


If we just keep pretending that this isn’t a crisis, that we don’t really need to test as many as possible, we don’t have to shut down commerce and practice “social distancing”, that it will all just go away come warmer weather,

A lot of sick folks will just die at home, uncounted, and swept under the rug.

And the “numbers” won’t be so terrifying.

originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: Trueman

Do you wish otherwise?

There is nothing wrong with hope.

Maybe it’s bad in Italy. It certainly isn’t in the states.

My state has 12 people infected (no fatalities) out of 7.2 million.

I don't think Italy restricted inbound flights and ships did it? Also, did the country invite people from all over the world to come there..with open borders...in recent years?

a reply to: Bhadhidar

I hate to point out the obvious

Really ?

They won’t have to go to the hospital if they would just quietly die in their homes.

So what you’re saying is the people who are going to be sitting in those homes anyway.

Are going to die faster because federal funds and assistance .

Really ?

a reply to: Fallingdown

It sounds like he was being facetious.

Don't test don't tell.

a reply to: YouAreLiedTo

If we just keep pretending that this isn’t a crisis, that we don’t really need to test as many as possible, we don’t have to shut down commerce and practice “social distancing”, that it will all just go away come warmer weather,

Nope he was being serious.

He just didn’t think it through .

Which happens to all of us when we get to focused .

What's the mortality rate of non reported infected?

What's the rate if infected reporting?

originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: YouAreLiedTo

If we just keep pretending that this isn’t a crisis, that we don’t really need to test as many as possible, we don’t have to shut down commerce and practice “social distancing”, that it will all just go away come warmer weather,

Nope he was being serious.

He just didn’t think it through .

Which happens to all of us when we get to focused .

Yes, I was being facetious.

I am the primary caregiver for an 86 year old relative who is a T2 diabetic with heart disease. Another relative just finished the first round of chemotherapy for lymphoma.

Out of concern for my relatives, I quit my part-time job because an unavoidable part of that job forced me to be closer than the recommended 2 meters to my clients.

Because I quit, I probably won’t be eligible for unemployment benefits. Fortunately, I have a pension which should keep me going.

BTW, I happen to be “at risk” myself.

S a reply to: Bhadhidar

Thanks for the guilt trip. I guess ?

I still hope everything works out for you . Never quit !