Corona Virus & Supply Chain Disruption

a reply to: sligtlyskeptical

I dont believe that. Our Military is in pretty good shape right now. The civilian population is well armed independant from government. We are in better shape now than we have been in a long time. Yes there are a lot of mutts among us but also a lot of prepared pro american patriots. An attack from another nation would just further unite us.

a reply to: agenda51
You realize that without medication almost everyone wounded in service would die right?
China controls API production. 85% of every single active pharmaceutical ingredient that goes into every basic medication on the planet is made in their country..
Silver bullet technology, given to them by greed.
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even if we did use actual Silver bullet technology on them we would still be #ed, because we require things they make to maintain our lifestyle.

a reply to: Itiswhatitis1979

not saying there would not be problems. There are always shortages in times of war. History has shown we adapt and overcome. As I said... yes we have some mutts. We also have a lot of strong, smart, and patriotic people. You just dont see much of them because they are quiet and keep to themselves. If you watch a lot of news or spend all day online..... you get the mutts most of the time who will act in a way to get attention.

Besides we are already under attack and at war. We have been for many years. Read some chinese newspapers and you will see. They are going to push hard saying we attacked them with corona virus pretty soon.

Modern warefare is not WW2. That went away a long time ago as the notion of globalism set in. Modern warefare is what we see right now. The real war started once Trump got elected. Go back and listem to his inauguration speech and you will hear him basically declare it.

originally posted by: agenda51
a reply to: Itiswhatitis1979

not saying there would not be problems. There are always shortages in times of war. History has shown we adapt and overcome. As I said... yes we have some mutts. We also have a lot of strong, smart, and patriotic people. You just dont see much of them because they are quiet and keep to themselves. If you watch a lot of news or spend all day online..... you get the mutts most of the time who will act in a way to get attention.

Besides we are already under attack and at war. We have been for many years. Read some chinese newspapers and you will see. They are going to push hard saying we attacked them with corona virus pretty soon.

Modern warefare is not WW2. That went away a long time ago as the notion of globalism set in. Modern warefare is what we see right now. The real war started once Trump got elected. Go back and listem to his inauguration speech and you will hear him basically declare it.

I agree that we have been at war and they have been winning. They have used our weakness against us. They have bought our companies. They were doing a very good job destroying our economy.

We got lucky here. This should be a #ing wake up call. Let's hope hope we take this opportunity...

a reply to: Itiswhatitis1979

China is just one of the communist pawns being used to try and bring us down. The War is basically the American patriots against the New World Order. Same goes for Russia.

China have been very very clever and are in it for the long game as far as their economic growth is concerned. They have managed to infiltrate probably every country with their cheap shoddy goods by changing the consumers into wanting disposable goods...use it once or twice then chuck it sort of stuff..well..because it was cheap who cares?

The days of repairing items to make them last are mainly long gone. I recall sewing tights (pantyhose) to stop them running, my mum darning socks, fixing zips, taking shoes for soling & heeling, now they just get thrown into the rubbish bin. I was stunned when one of my daughter's friends asked if we washed bras...I said of course...she was surprised as apparently she just threw hers away and got new each month!!

But Chinese manufacturers are laughing because they churn out so much crap at such a low cost and STILL make a profit. Who's bought from Ebay or Amazon and found the goods are nothing like the advert but not bothered returning it because the postage is more than the item? The sellers will often offer you a couple of quid refund so as NOT to return the items as its more trouble than its worth for them.

Of course all this disposable consumerism is adding in a huge way to the landfills and ocean dumped plastics but I doubt they care much about that

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

mankind just got too ggod at making things fast and developing more modern materials.

My family is very conservative though. We produce less trash than anyone I know. Compost what is possible, burn papers, recycle plastic, reuse glass etc. A family of four we usually average 2-3 trashbags per week. Sometimes less depending on how disciplined we are.

originally posted by: Itiswhatitis1979

originally posted by: agenda51
a reply to: Itiswhatitis1979

not saying there would not be problems. There are always shortages in times of war. History has shown we adapt and overcome. As I said... yes we have some mutts. We also have a lot of strong, smart, and patriotic people. You just dont see much of them because they are quiet and keep to themselves. If you watch a lot of news or spend all day online..... you get the mutts most of the time who will act in a way to get attention.

Besides we are already under attack and at war. We have been for many years. Read some chinese newspapers and you will see. They are going to push hard saying we attacked them with corona virus pretty soon.

Modern warefare is not WW2. That went away a long time ago as the notion of globalism set in. Modern warefare is what we see right now. The real war started once Trump got elected. Go back and listem to his inauguration speech and you will hear him basically declare it.

I agree that we have been at war and they have been winning. They have used our weakness against us. They have bought our companies. They were doing a very good job destroying our economy.

We got lucky here. This should be a #ing wake up call. Let's hope hope we take this opportunity...

We have been at war, but Wall St has been one of their biggest allies, sending almost our entire industrial base over there to make shareholders happy, and reap huge profits off the cheap labor. That needs to change.

a reply to: Itiswhatitis1979

Three words: strategic national stockpile.

There are enough antibiotics, antitoxins, and vaccines to see the US through multiple, simultaneous large-scale emergencies.

Further, the Department of Defense does not rely on the strategic stockpile and maintains their own reserves.

originally posted by: agenda51
a reply to: openminded2011

grow up.

Please explain what is childish about wanting people to have at least a sliver of ethical behavior.

originally posted by: shawmanfromny
a reply to: Edumakated

Well, one thing the United States better act on, is to increase the manufacture of antibiotics and drug ingredients that are needed in the States. Most of these drugs/ingredients are manufactured in China. If China decides to stop exporting these to the US, our hospitals and clinics would be screwed. Also, what if China starts manufacturing these drugs and ingredients with contaminants? Can't trust China one bit, so we better step up our game in this department, sooner than later!

Anti-biotics wont help against the virus anyway.

It's a Virus, not a bacteria..!!

Surgical masks won't help either. They are next to useless unless as Viruses are so small, they can pass right through or get into your system from the airflow around the edges of the masks.

Specialized N95 Respirators will work with about 95% efficiency, but these are specialized equipment that require training to use. They are also very uncomfortable over long periods to the point that it will become unbearable and you'd remove it anyway and just take your chance.

Best way to not get a virus like this is to have as little contact with crowds as possible. Although, eventually you are going to want to go back out into the world, at which point you'll likely get it anyway, even after it has died down and those whom survived it will still be carrying it. If you have been living in a cave to stay safe, the moment you leave that cave you will have no defense, while people who have had it / still carry it may have built a resistance to it.

Point is, don't go out of the way to prevent getting it, because you probably will at some point..

a reply to: 0zzymand0s

DING, DING, DING We have a winner!!

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: shawmanfromny
a reply to: Edumakated

Well, one thing the United States better act on, is to increase the manufacture of antibiotics and ingredients that are needed in the States. Most of these drugs/ingredients are manufactured in China. If China decides to stop exporting these to the US, our hospitals and clinics would be screwed. Also, what if China starts manufacturing these drugs and ingredients with contaminants? Can't trust China one bit, so we better step up our game in this department, sooner than later!

Exactly. We already know China is shady as a mofo, so why allow ourselves to be so reliant on them? I was reading an article where P&G said they have like 17,000 products that are likely going to be affected. They have 387 suppliers across China.

The reason we depend on China is because the Yuan is pegged to dollar 6 to 1 so it means manufacturing in China is 1/6th the cost of manufacturing in the United States. How our government sold us out to China by allowing unfair currency manipulation is beyond me. It's like our politicians work for foreign countries.

Its why the net worth of most politicians is in the tens of millions of dollars, from selling out the people they are supposed to work for. We were sold out decades ago.

what this outbreak should be is a wakeup call. a sign that Trump was in fact doing the right thing (which i do believe he was, for this type of thing as well as other reasons). that any country should not be so reliant on other countries, especially one country for so much on not only it's goods, but necessities.

now this is just likely going to knock out products coming from China for a couple or so months, then we will likely be right back to where we were before the outbreak happened. since once over people will be back working at normal capacity, and shipping will go back to normal. but just imagine if the situation was not something so simple as a sickness. like for instance if China was having a civil war, or a war with another country, where instead of factories just being shut down, instead said factories were being destroyed? which would likely take years to rebuild and go back into full operation after it was over. it would also likely take years to replace said industries in other countries. since of course it's not as simple as throwing up a building. workers would have to be trained. and equipment and machines built, to build anything else. plus you would also need to build plants to turn raw materials into usable materials. in those situations with the way things are much of the world would be screwed.

just think of what it takes to build even a simple car. pretty much each component of that car is made in it's own factory. with parts built in yet more factories. with materials made in yet more factories. all using equipment made in yet more factories. not an operation that can be set up overnight. or since we are currently dealing with a health issue. how long would it take to set up replacement medical equipment and medication manufacturing. not to mention things like the ingredients for medications. we have already seen how needed medical equipment such as masks are being withheld for (needed) use in China.

heck what would happen if China were to just say "screw you. you want medical supplies, medicines, and the ingredients for medications to fight this virus? fine first you will submit and become a Chinese state"? or what would have happened in WW2 if the US was so reliant on Chinese products, as they are, indeed much of the world is currently? the only reason the US was able to turn out so much needed military equipment, so fast was the fact that they just took the industries that existed, and turned most of it from manufacture of civilian goods, into producing military goods. car plants built all types of military vehicles, from trucks, to aircraft for example. or look at Britain. where woodworkers of all stripes, that made furniture and other wooden objects, were put to work building the Mosquito aircraft. it was just a matter of retooling for the different items being produced. with much of the same equipment and workers being used to do so. there was no need to pretty much build all that industry from scratch, which in a lot of ways would be so now. the answer is, the Germans and Japanese would very likely have won.

in fact you could even look at it this way. what would have happened in ww2 when the allies depended on the US for so much of their needed war materials, much like most of the world is reliant on Chinese products today. and the US said, "go F yourselves. we are having nothing to do with this war. no supplies for you. fact is the Allies were in much the same position back then, being so reliant on the US. there is a reason the catch phrase "the arsenal of democracy" was used. because they quite literally were.

the US and the world needs to wean themselves off of being so reliant on other countries. especially one country, who is certainly not our friend.