The Queen and Trump ~ Brexit Buddies & 4-D Chess Masters

a reply to: The GUT
The Times isn't what it used to be, and Rupert Murdoch should never have been allowed the added monopoly of owning the paper, thanks to a Conservative government at the time.

Nice try with the name dropping idea .

a reply to: Peeple

I used to be quite radical and in some ways I still am. Admittedly there's a lot we have to work on here. I hate war and warmongers and regime-changing fools. This is the result of a deep state that every form of government has to tackle in one way or another.

But it's not the sum of the U.S. Unless misguided progressives get their way, we still offer the best chance for the most freedom pretty much anywhere.

And in case you haven't noticed there's quite a movement worldwide that's awakening to this ultimate societal control & enslavement scheme AKA Globalism. Socialism, and the like, is its control system of choice for the masses. What would your "social credit score" look like? Mine would SUCK.

Yeah, I'd rather "slave wage" and grow my own security than to give it all over to the all-powerful Nanny-State.

That's why Brexit is such a triumph and encouragement to folk everywhere! And like I said: I'm impressed with the Queen meeting the challenge so strongly, so Royally, and at a time of life when most people sit in their easy chairs and conserve energy. Spunk that one has.

But the main reason I shared this here are the theories the article puts forth as to what we see playing out between the U.K. & the U.S. It fits what we're seeing publicly between the Queen,Trump, and Boris and for many of us...that's a good thing.

originally posted by: The GUT
And in case you haven't noticed there's quite a movement worldwide that's awakening to this ultimate societal control & enslavement scheme AKA Globalism.

And nothing exemplifies that like a Queen and GEOTUS. /s

Brexit started with a referendum. You know, a popular vote, AKA democracy, what a bunch of people in the US like to point out the US isn't.

originally posted by: smurfy
a reply to: The GUT
The Times isn't what it used to be...

So are you saying their reporting on Steele was a hit-piece?

a reply to: loveguy

Now where were we?

You tell me... Is the queen and trump in bed or what?

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: The GUT
And in case you haven't noticed there's quite a movement worldwide that's awakening to this ultimate societal control & enslavement scheme AKA Globalism.

And nothing exemplifies that like a Queen and GEOTUS. /s

Brexit started with a referendum. You know, a popular vote, AKA democracy, what a bunch of people in the US like to point out the US isn't.

I like you, daskakik, I'm not sure why lol. Aren't you an armchair anarchist? I've been down that political philosophy and it doesn't seem to work outside of some interesting philosophical arguments.

I believe the U.S. Constitution pretty much as it's written and expounded in Federalist Papers. It has been prostituted and therein lay the problems. Still and all it's an environment where you can forge a destiny and generally speak your mind.

We get rid of the globalist swamp/military-industrial-complex and it will be as near to perfect a societal agreement as can be managed.

originally posted by: The GUT
I like you, daskakik, I'm not sure why lol. Aren't you an armchair anarchist? I've been down that philosophy and it doesn't seem to work outside of some interesting philosophical arguments.

I think I once said that if I would consider believing any kind of political system it would be anarchism but, like you say, it is just the sound of it that I like.

I believe the U.S. Constitution pretty much as it's written and expounded in Federalist Papers. It has been prostituted and therein lay the problems. Still and all it's an environment where you can forge a destiny and generally speak your mind.

I have to disagree. The problem is that you hand your voice and vote over to representatives and they then vote how the highest bidder decides. That was pretty much how the system was set up.

I like the example of the Whiskey rebellion to show how authoritarian things were even back then. I think the excuse that "the US has strayed" is feel good rhetoric. Nostalgia about a time that probably never was.

I didn't mean to poo-poo the OP but, really, saying you need a strong monarch or a strong leader, like Trump, is the opposite of the people fighting for themselves. The Brexit referendum wasn't decided by the Queen or someone like Trump. It was about the people, democracy. Apples and oranges, at least.

We get rid of the globalist swamp/military-industrial-complex and it will be as near to perfect a societal agreement as can be managed.

That is the slight of hand isn't it? The US now has a 5th armed force. How is that getting rid of the MIC?

a reply to: daskakik

Yah. I can't totally disagree and much agree.

But that's exactly why we ALL eventually accept an imperfect social contract of some sort---as "negotiated" as it is. Change it where we can. Accept it where we can't. Or rebel against it.

I used to try and imagine various schemes for Utopia and found out there is no such thing. At least in this space-time.

a reply to: The GUT

Thank you for the cold one.

And, of course, I agree about utopia but the article in the OP isn't about that. It is, at least to me, about perpetrating the myth that a good leader is needed, and uses Brexit as an example of this, by speculating that the Queen made it possible by making some unsubstantiated moves (it is an op-ed after all), while glossing over the fact that a popular vote is what got the Brexit ball rolling.

Of course, I used that to throw a little jab at those americans who say that the US is a republic and not a democracy by pointing out that democracy played a part in what happened with Brexit.

a reply to: daskakik

A Republic using Democratic principles. Thus not a two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for supper Democracy, but the people do have a say at the voting booth.

a reply to: The GUT

I foresee a problem, Trump doesn't want a trade deal if the UK go ahead with the Huawei 5g deal, now Boris, or BawJaws as many people I know prefer to call him, has been pretty tight lipped about all this and for good reason, the Huawei deal is already done, they could go back on it but considering the infrastructure and most of the tech is already in place it would cost a lot to remove it. Trump won't have such a cushdy trade deal (not that he ever would, he wants power over the UK) waiting for us when the penny drops...

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: daskakik

A Republic using Democratic principles. Thus not a two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for supper Democracy, but the people do have a say at the voting booth.

We have a say beyond the voting booth if it comes to it. The UK, in some respects, is on a knife edge and what happens over the next few months and years is going to be tough but very, very interesting...

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: strongfp

But it took three PMs to get it done

Two actually. Teresa May and Boris Johnson.

You are attempting to write David Cameron out of it? Did he not call the Referendum in the First place?

Nothing is so admirable in politics as a short memory. - John Kenneth Galbraith

a reply to: Justoneman
And it ends at the voting booth and then what?

Either way, the article in the OP is trying to give props to maneuvers by the Queen for Brexit when it was "two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for supper Democracy" that got the ball rolling.

Seems like it isn't always "two wolves and a sheep", maybe it is just people choosing for themselves. What is wrong with that?

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: strongfp

He was still involved, and was still a PM.

He was involved with Zero negotiations with taking The UK out of The EU.

None, zilch zero.

HE CALLED THE FRIKKIN" REFERENDUM. To claim that he was not one of the 3 PM's we burned through for this idiotic endeavour is completely and 100% ignorant.

You're basically sticking your fingers in your ears and going "lalala"...

a reply to: The GUT

GUT, she is a living link to what is becoming a legendary era. She was old enough to understand what was happening in Europe in the Second World War.

Hard to believe she is much impressed with what the EU has become.

Cheers

originally posted by: CharlesT
Your Queen is an elegant lady. The pictures certainly are worth 1,000 words. If you can't see the friendship and trust between them, you are blind.
Hold on Brits.
You have friends across the pond and,
God save your Queen.

One thing old queenie knows better than anything is how to put on a good show when she wants something and she NEEDS Trump to think she likes him for the sake of the trade deal, she was just schmoozing him, anyone can see that...

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: The GUT
you think you found proof of how they conspire against freedom and democracy because you somehow think they wouldn't regard you as the dirt beneath their feet? Are you mad?

You make some very, very good points and probably have made the most valid point in the whole thread, even more than the ridiculous topic, considering she was just greasing the wheels of negotiation as is her job.

The bit I quotes rang especially true with me, especially since the Tories mention "Scum" a lot, what a lot of the working and benefits class people in Britain who loaned the Tories their votes in last year's General Election don't realise is, they mean us...

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: Peeple

I used to be quite radical and in some ways I still am. Admittedly there's a lot we have to work on here. I hate war and warmongers and regime-changing fools.

What would your "social credit score" look like? Mine would SUCK.

Yeah, I'd rather "slave wage" and grow my own security than to give it all over to the all-powerful Nanny-State.

I've kept in all the parts where you and I are cut from the same cloth but, for me, Brexit is a disaster, in my area of my country in the UK, we need the EU, farms will suffer without the subsidies, food supplies will suffer because of the absent work force and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Scotland, as a whole, voted against Brexit (by a larger margin than England voted for it) because Scotland's needs are not aligned with those of England and our relationship woth the EU was slightly different.

When we last voted for our own independence a big factor in people's decision to vote No was that it was promised it meant staying in the EU, where leaving the UK would mean reapplying. EU citizens were allowed to vote and the majority voted No, to avoid this. You can't look at how Brexit effects the UK as a whole as most people who are viewing this from the outside are. You have to look at how it will effect England, Wales, Scotland and N.Ireland individually to understand the different reactions. Even in England the North, London and Westminster will all fare very differently. I don't think BawJaws has the mental acumen to juggle everything that's in the air, I don't trust the Tories to carry this forward, this should have been done by a cross party committee, now all the new laws will be biased towards them...

Probably the most misleading, ignorant and unresearched article I've ever seen and that's saying something.

The UK is a Constitutional Monarchy, the Monarchy don't get involved in politics, have a purely cermemonial role. She had no say in Brexit and the Royal Assent is mere formality paperwork. Pretty sure it's been 100 years since a UK monarch didn't sign/give royal assent to any bill, paperwork or law put infront of them.

The blogger who wrote needs to read the UK constitution, monarchy, uk politics and public administration and the history of the UK.

All of it is obvious made up nonsense to anyone in the UK or anyone who has read UK constitution and Royal Prerogative.