Andrew Yang fills the empathy gap

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: xpert11

We already have UBI, it’s called welfare.

One of my complaints against Yang's UBI scheme is that it doesn't replace existing forms of welfare. The value of people pointing out perceived or actual flaws in policy concepts is where the merits in these yarns lay. I do respect a political party or individuals who raised unnoticed issues of importance. I would never vote for the (NZ) Greens. But I do respect the way they brought public attention to the polluted state of our rivers.

a reply to: JacKatMtn

Yang's political legacy is likely to entail the increasing number of candidates for Congress and state legislators who back a version of UBI. Another reason he isn't interested in running against Trump is the unrefined nature of any universal UBI. Crafting the topic of debate is where political art and science cross over. If Yang lost to Trump under his current banner, the seeds of UBI discussion and debate is dead for a generation or longer.

a reply to: xpert11

UBI is a non starter for most here in the USA...

It may be a viable political agenda in another NAtion with a different founding principle...

If you desire to stifle initiative, growth, climbing the ladder.. this anti AMERICAN position to guarantee UBI is a slap in the face...

YMMV

a reply to: JacKatMtn

My view is a UBI is fiscally a non-starter. In NZ, conceptually, a UBI is dead on arrival unless ridiculously tax rates on higher-income earners and leaving the most vulnerable in society worse off are avoided. Why support any UBI plan that doesn't replace existing welfare overheads and Working for Families (Family tax credit)? I advocate for means-testing old-age pensions, so I am not in favour of government-issued lolly scrambles.


Cutting compliance time and costs on small and medium sized enterprises is one of the keys to unleashing economic growth and creating jobs. Infrasture and where applicable tax and immigration reforms are the other components of prosperity. The intuitional useless nature of Congress is preventing the implementation of reforms.


If Yang wasn't the only candidate who is concerned about the effects of automation on the workforce, would his UBI idea see the light of day? IMO, the answer is a conditional no. The issues around the purposes of GST/VAT alone would sink his idea, but alas that is another topic. Oh, and one hasn't yet reached a whole host of concerns and counterpoints.

In a circular manner, I have returned to my original point. Yang's appeal is not exclusively tied to his political vision.

a reply to: seagull

No one can tell anyone how to vote, or who to vote for. That's what write in's are all about.

We do need reform for write in's to have the intended effect though. Some states only count those if the person went through proper procedures to be eligible for votes.

Yang supports the Chinese social credit system.

That's gonna be a no from me, dog.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: xpert11

UBI?

No, how about go get a damn job.

Walmart is always hiring, and they pay $12/hr starting wage now...

The reason yang talks about ubi is because walmart is going to turn full auto. He is looking at a future where there will be no walmart jobs. Or customer service jobs, or even labor jobs.
Think about self checkouts and how fast they are being implemented. Think about bots and how thats what you talk with when you call a customer service number. Think about robots making cars and houses. 3d printing a house was recently done. A job that took a team of skilled workers was done by a 3d printer and 4 guys. How long before they don't need to pay the 4 guys to that?

Do you think the businesses of the future wont use machines even more?

So I don't have enough personal time to follow all of the Democrat party hopefuls. I'm not a member of their party so I don't much care who they choose to represent them in the next presidential election. Yang being at the back of the pack means he's one of them I know about the least.

Probably the only thing I've really took intrest of is that he claims to champan the causes important to the Disabled community. Although every time I've heard him talk about it he seems to think that Autism is the only disability of note.

So OP what should I know about Yang assuming he is one of the three or four choices available to me in November.

a reply to: DanDanDat
www.yang2020.com...

Our current emphasis on corporate profits isn’t working for the vast majority of Americans. This will only be made worse by the development of automation technology and AI. We need to move to a new form of capitalism – Human Capitalism – that’s geared towards maximizing human well-being and fulfillment. The central tenets of Human Capitalism are: Humans are more important than money The unit of a Human Capitalism economy is each person, not each dollar Markets exist to serve our common goals and values

In the wake of the Citizens United ruling (and the lesser-known Buckley v. Valeo decision), money has flooded our political system like never before.

Super PACs can accept unlimited contributions, and disclosure requirements allow donations to be funneled through nonprofits until they can’t be traced to their original source – this is Dark Money

We must return to the essence of democracy – where each person’s vote is heard and treated equally. I will gladly push for a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United and return the American government to its people.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: DanDanDat
www.yang2020.com...

Our current emphasis on corporate profits isn’t working for the vast majority of Americans. This will only be made worse by the development of automation technology and AI. We need to move to a new form of capitalism – Human Capitalism – that’s geared towards maximizing human well-being and fulfillment. The central tenets of Human Capitalism are: Humans are more important than money The unit of a Human Capitalism economy is each person, not each dollar Markets exist to serve our common goals and values

In the wake of the Citizens United ruling (and the lesser-known Buckley v. Valeo decision), money has flooded our political system like never before.

Super PACs can accept unlimited contributions, and disclosure requirements allow donations to be funneled through nonprofits until they can’t be traced to their original source – this is Dark Money

We must return to the essence of democracy – where each person’s vote is heard and treated equally. I will gladly push for a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United and return the American government to its people.

If that's Yang in a nutshell; there is a reason he's losing.

Humans are more important than money The unit of a Human Capitalism economy is each person, not each dollar Markets exist to serve our common goals and values

Is a lovely thought; sign me up.

The problem is that the rest of the quotes suggest Yang plans to bring about this new age of human enlightenment through campaign finance reform....

Campaign finance is not the dirty underbelly of our current system of capitalism. The media is; Hollywood and News Rooms; this is where our current clerics and gurus of unfettered averous live.

If he even tries, doesn't need to be successful, to get these people to switch Human Capitalism vs Money Capitalism; I'd be a Yang supporter for life.... I wouldn't be holding my breath.

a reply to: DanDanDat

I skipped around with those quotes.

You'll have to actually read up on him to see what he is going to do about this stuff.

a reply to: DanDanDat

If he even tries, doesn't need to be successful, to get these people to switch Human Capitalism vs Money Capitalism; I'd be a Yang supporter for life.... I wouldn't be holding my breath.

He can't try unless we vote for him and give him a chance.

a reply to: DanDanDat

If media outlets covered issues that matter to people and not phoney Trump scandals, what reason would people have to give any notice to Yang? I find the idea of a presidential candidate partially filling of the media deeply disturbing. Of course, the sources of fake news and propaganda are not interested in factual reporting.

The insanity and dysfunction of the Democratic Party is another reason why Yang stands out. Frankly, Warren, Sanders and Biden are losing propositions in the 2020 field. IMO, Yang is a wildcard for his party's vice-presidential candidate slot.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: DanDanDat

If he even tries, doesn't need to be successful, to get these people to switch Human Capitalism vs Money Capitalism; I'd be a Yang supporter for life.... I wouldn't be holding my breath.

He can't try unless we vote for him and give him a chance.

He's not even talking about the proper causes to the problem. So I have no confidence he could even mount an honorable mention in attempt to fix the problem.

Its like a doctor telling you he's going to perform a colonoscopy in order to cure your brain cancer... that colonoscopy might be a good thing for you, but your not going to pick this doctor to cure your cancer.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: xpert11

UBI?

No, how about go get a damn job.

Walmart is always hiring, and they pay $12/hr starting wage now...

The reason yang talks about ubi is because walmart is going to turn full auto. He is looking at a future where there will be no walmart jobs. Or customer service jobs, or even labor jobs.
Think about self checkouts and how fast they are being implemented. Think about bots and how thats what you talk with when you call a customer service number. Think about robots making cars and houses. 3d printing a house was recently done. A job that took a team of skilled workers was done by a 3d printer and 4 guys. How long before they don't need to pay the 4 guys to that?

Do you think the businesses of the future wont use machines even more?

I popped in to a local one here on friday..there are now 3 checkouts vs 20+ a month ago. All turned into self serve, looked to be 30 or more, with one employee trying to care of it all.

Anyone who uses Walmart as a good example for the future is very misguided..to put it politely.

What is also misguided is the idea by some.. you only have 2 choices. That is small thinking..a fire starts with a spark.

On one hand, I understand how we've been conditioned to believe that a UBI is bad. "Nothing is free". "You have to work for what you get". ETC.

On the other hand, I see billions of dollars being spent on foreign countries. I believe that that is wrong. Money taken from tax payers and given to foreign countries is morally wrong. I'd rather that money not being taken from tax payers in the first place. But if it must, I would rather see that money spent on American citizens.

a reply to: DanDanDat

Aside from taking apart the details of his UBI concept, my disagreement with Yang is his views on the for-profit motives. No business which entirely forsakes profit for their employee's welfare is commercially viable. I support the private sector taking responsibility for workers welfare, but not at the expense of real-life realities.

I am not arguing non- profit organisations are doom to fail or they can't meet their community orientated. The risk is leftwing ideologies hijack the discussion for their hatred of the profit motive. Yang's focus on corporate profits increasing, in the time of declining life expectancy is problematic. Naturally, delving into the U.S. tax code is beyond the scope of this topic.

a reply to: xpert11

The thing is all politicians are full of shiit, and I haven't voted for a president since 2000 when I voted for Gore. I was angry about the hanging chad thing, and that Gore won the popular vote, but I was only 19 then. I felt that the way things were going was good! Little did I know that nafta came around exporting millions of jobs to Mexico and opening up the US to mass consumerism.

20 years later, I'll be voting for Trump, because his policy goals align with what I agree with, and he hasn't strayed from them. I think Trump is an arrogant asshat as a person in general, but I'm able to look past superficiality of an individual to see the resulted goals the individual can achieve.

I see a lot of online bickering and extremism, but not so much in my daily life, everything is normal and routine. I'm making a bit more, my investments are making a bit more. Business in general is up, unemployment is low, and everything economically just is better than 3 years ago. I'm happy with the last 3 years, why wouldn't I want another 4 years the same?