My faith isn't up for political debate!

So my liberal brother came to visit. The topic of impeachment comes up. He's a liberal and I'm a conservative so he supported the impeachment and I didnt.

When he asked why I didn't support impeachment I asked what evidence was provided to support an impeachment. His evidence: Trump is a: racist, bigot, Russian spy, kids in cages, Stormy Daniels, Grab their ##$$#, quid quo pro, peeing hookers, etc etc. ..evidence..

Then the Christianity Today article that bashed Trump came up.
Link here: www.christianitytoday.com...
He asked how upset I was at Mark Galli (the author) for starting a movement that will cost Trump the Evangelical vote. I told him I wasn't upset with the author as he has every right to his opinion but he's one man and in no way speaks for the Christian vote.

It was at this point that my brother looked me in right the eye and told me I had no right to call myself a Christian. That no true Christian would ever throw their support behind someone as amoral as President Trump. He said that Mark Galli said best and that there was no way to argue against what he had written in his article.

Excuse me? Did my atheist brother just call my faith into question? Did he really say I'm not a Christian because I support Trump and have differing political viewpoints? OH HELL NO..He continued to talk but it was all noise and it wasn't registering with me. I WAS PISSED. When I realized he had finally shut up, I told him I was tired and lead him to the door.

No "thanks for stopping by" or "you sure you dont want to stay here tonight?"
Nothing. I was done talking.

Now I've had some time to think and I'm still really pissed.

I may set the standard pretty low some days but I'm still a Christian. I'm far from perfect and I'll continue making my fair share of mistakes in the future. Voting for someone based on a level of "perceived" righteousness will not be one of them.

If I needed surgery. I'd want a surgeon known for their experience, expertise, and success in the operating room. I'm not going to roll the dice on a cross-eyed doctor with trembling hands because they're on the front pew every Wednesday and Sunday.

My faith doesn't compromise my judgement. Nor does it hinder my ability to realize that the right person for a job isn't necessarily the better person. I'm no fool. I've always known who and what Donald Trump was but I'll still cast my vote for him in 2020 just as I did in 2016. I'll do so knowing that while he may not be the better man, he is the right man for the job. We can debate political issues all you want but my faith isn't part of the debate, got it!?

a reply to: Anathros

Good for you! If we all had to cast our votes based on morality only, we'd never be able to vote. Period.

It sounds like you and your brother need to set a rule that the two of you will not discuss politics when you're together. That's what I've had to do with one of my friends.

a reply to: Anathros

Best way to argue and fight?
Talk politics or religion with family and friends.

I stopped many years ago and I have peace.

God bless

a reply to: Anathros

Tell your brother to stick it where the monkey put the peanut.

And remember, you pick your nose not your family,

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Anathros

Good for you! If we all had to cast our votes based on morality only, we'd never be able to vote. Period.

It sounds like you and your brother need to set a rule that the two of you will not discuss politics when you're together. That's what I've had to do with one of my friends.

We've always been able to have civil discussions in the past. He's been a level-headed liberal for quite some time and I've always appreciated getting his point of view on things. Tonight was altogether different experience. We haven't seen each other in quite some time despite only living an hour away from one another due to work and family obligations. That said, I truly believe he's gone from liberal to progressive. He was shattered the night Hillary lost but he's reached a whole nother' level of TDS. He's my brother and I love him regardless of whatever mental illness he exhibits next.

Wait, dude is an Atheist, but wants to drop Jesus bombs on you? I'd get him an appointment with a shrink for a Christmas pressie so he can discuss his TDS and Mommy issues with somene who pretends to give a flock.

a reply to: Anathros

The Democrats and the media have taken the term, "opposition" to new heights and turned it into a schizophrenic frenzy for sure. It's sad to see all of these people that might have once been "level headed", like members of Congress used to be too, and watch them deteriorate to a point of absurdity.

a reply to: Anathros

I am not a particularly religious person, in the sense of organized religion. One's personal beliefs about a "creator" is not subject to any particular "flavor" of ideology, IMO.

That being said, I do believe in the "judge not, lest ye be judged" premise. That goes for both your brother, as well as DJT.

Morality, aside from the basic rules, is completely subjective.

Trump isn't auditioning to be pope. He is running for the position of the country's CEO.

Selecting a president isn't like a Mr. Potato head, where you can take different features, and assembly what an individual percieves to be a perfect candidate.

It is a binary choice, where the candidate that expouses a platform most like yours should get your vote.

I suppose not voting at all, or a third party protest vote, are options, but I don't see how that accomplishes getting someone in office that matches any of the individual voters views.

If he is a leftist, and you are conservative, it's not likely that you will change each other's mind, so I have to ask.

Why have the conversation at all? No good can come from it.

a reply to: Anathros

I agree, and almost addressed it in my other post.

You may be confusing "liberal", with leftist. Most true liberals have more of a live, and let live mindset, rather than one of being judgemental.

I believe I've learned my lesson. My brother and I can't have the same civil discussions we once had. I was a blue dog Democrat when Obama first ran for president and voted for him. By his second term, if you believed in your Bible and the 2nd amendment you were no longer fit to be a member of the Democratic party.

I support the 2nd, I believe in Christ, a woman's right to choose, border security, welfare for those in need, prison reform, medical marijuana, and many other issues that fall between party lines. I've held these stances since I was a registered Democrat and they haven't changed due to a Trump presidency. The party left me standing in the center while my brother decided to follow the party as far left as they can take it.

There is noting like family to piss you off during the holidays. No one has a right to judge another man’s spiritual beliefs. They are personal and are between him and the Creator. I may not be Christian, but I respect those that are and those that believe in God.

Merry Christmas my friend.

Sigh, this goes on as well within my family gatherings so I've decided to take the high ground making myself scarce in the kitchen or another room until the topic changes. I'm more conservative-leaning/independent while the majority are dyed in the wool 1960 era liberals.

No ones perfect, no one gets to run for President or leader of ANY country without a boatload of skeletons in their closets so Trump is more the rule than exception to that.

Since I decided that "Trump-Hate" is (JMO) a mental defect it's raised my patience level 100 fold in enjoying my time with relatives instead of getting drawn into a debate. I have high hopes that eventually they will come to their senses to realize all that angst was wasted effort cause in reality it makes not one jot of difference. Trump gives no Eff's what they think. Obama didn't care, Bush 1-2 didn't care an Clinton didn't care.

But ruining every family get together is much more lasting for the grandkids and great grandkids.
I'd prefer the youngsters DON'T remember everyone as screaming gasbags.

@ Anathos
Very sorry your brother crossed the line!!

originally posted by: Anathros
I'm no fool. I've always known who and what Donald Trump

bingo. And unlike some, he has remained that guy the whole time. never pretended to be anything different. It's like the opposition isn't understanding that. We voted for him IN SPITE OF ALL THAT, and he has delivered in spades what we wanted him to do.

I don't like him attacking the dead husband of a lefty, but that's Trump. The alternative is a guy who speaks well, looks presidential, and does NOTHING. We had that guy and he sucked.

a reply to: Anathros

Trust me. I get it. I feel the same way.

a reply to: Anathros

Wow dude... what a petty meaningless argument you guys got into.

Maybe next time you catch up with your bro, just have a few beers and talk about football or your current favorite netflix shows or some s# like that. Maybe just leave politics and religion right out of it all together...lol

a reply to: Anathros

Your faith (what you believe) is the basis of all the decisions you make. I have a hard time believing Jesus would support Trump if He we're walking the earth today.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Anathros

Your faith (what you believe) is the basis of all the decisions you make. I have a hard time believing Jesus would support Trump if He we're walking the earth today.

Yea, he's much more a fan of baby killers.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Anathros

Your faith (what you believe) is the basis of all the decisions you make. I have a hard time believing Jesus would support Trump if He we're walking the earth today.

I don’t think Jesus would support any politician these days... certainly not one that supports and promotes the LGBTQ movement. There I said it...now go ahead and throw stones 😜

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Anathros

Your faith (what you believe) is the basis of all the decisions you make. I have a hard time believing Jesus would support Trump if He we're walking the earth today.

Yea, he's much more a fan of baby killers.

But lets be honest here though... I'm sure Trumps been around the block and had to pay to have a few babies of his own killed, more than a few times.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

You don't have to support trump , but it is important i believe, to support a democratic process such as elections.

And The Democrats don't seem to respect the process, since they have been going after trump since the day he stepped into the office.

If they are dead set on winning and don't want the Republicans to win they should roll out better candidates.