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Maybe if you're a weak-spined little twat...
...that doesn't need to be given responsibilities of adulthood yet.
Others [SNIP] read the OP and go "Huh, that actually makes sense, neat."
originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Nyiah
Maybe if you're a weak-spined little twat...
Really? "Weak-spined little twat." Isn't that special... or something.
...that doesn't need to be given responsibilities of adulthood yet.
Yeah. That's it. Riiiiiiight
Others [SNIP] read the OP and go "Huh, that actually makes sense, neat."
Which part(s) made "sense" exactly? The excerpts quoted which offered several and varied reasons for why queens were disproportionately "waging" wars? Such as, for example, the fact that the queens were not necessarily the aggressors? That they may have been forced to defend their people from a higher rate of attacks from kings? Of course not.
Or just every part written by the OP that assigned/assumed the worst motivations on the part of the queens? Such as wanting to be rid of her husband... or that they are necessarily the aggressors? Much the same way you assigned/assumed the worst about a woman pointing it out? And then using a vulgar and misogynistic slur to make your point???
You sure made your point. And it's absolutely vile. Shame on you.
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: 727Sky
Not triggered, as I said I couldn't care less but if you'd be female and read the shiite that is often written on ATS you may become 'specialised' to notice these things. The same way you can tell racist threads even if OP states clearly that they aren't.
Maybe if you're a weak-spined little twat that doesn't need to be given responsibilities of adulthood yet. Others with a solid head on our shoulders and no victim complex read the OP and go "Huh, that actually makes sense, neat."
I guess the next time you hear someone say if women were running things there would be peace and happiness throughout the world. When you hear that refer back to this linked article.
originally posted by: Sheye
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: 727Sky
Not triggered, as I said I couldn't care less but if you'd be female and read the shiite that is often written on ATS you may become 'specialised' to notice these things. The same way you can tell racist threads even if OP states clearly that they aren't.
Maybe if you're a weak-spined little twat that doesn't need to be given responsibilities of adulthood yet. Others with a solid head on our shoulders and no victim complex read the OP and go "Huh, that actually makes sense, neat."
Truth is subjective on the ‘solid head’ remark. Honestly with the OP literally starting like this...
I guess the next time you hear someone say if women were running things there would be peace and happiness throughout the world. When you hear that refer back to this linked article.
... it does have a hint of misogyny to it.
she was quite the trope buster in her day and is one of the few undefeated pirates in antiquity web.archive.org...://www.badassoftheweek.com/index.cgi?id=329819625394 edit to add source for snippets cant believe i forgot to add this
While ruling an empire of Viking Highlander Pirates is sweet and all, O'Malley was a tough lady herself as well, more than happy to wade into combat herself, and this was definitely not the sort of chick you wanted to cross swords with on the smoke-swept deck of a burning merchantman. One story claims that she gave birth to her third child on the high seas during a trading expedition to the Mediterranean. As she was popping the kid out, word came down that the vessel was under attack by Turkish pirates, so she finished giving birth, grabbed her gun, then immediately ran out to bust caps in pirates and command the defense of her ship. Another time one of her boyfriends was captured and executed by a rival clan, so she waited until the leaders of the Clan landed on an island for vacation, attacked the island, burned their ships, and killed everyone she could find. After wiping out the leadership of the Clan, she then led her soldiers to assault the Clan fortress, capturing it and reappropriating it for her own use. On yet another occasion a local English Earl refused to let Grace in when she stopped by for dinner, so she kidnapped the Earl's son and held him for ransom, only returning him when the Earl decided he'd cook her some bacon and leave an extra place setting out for the rest of his life, just in case she ever decided to show up again (this is a tradition that the family maintains to this day). As a pretty bitchin' side note, when the Spanish Armada came to attack England in 1588, one of the warships of the Armada got lost in a storm and ended up getting stuck in waters controlled by the Sea Queen of Connaught. Grace O'Malley personally led the attack that captured the war galleon. She was 50 years old at the time.
asterisks added to comply with t and c but to any one thinking ancient women were meek or weak sure didnt take the irish or vikings into account ,and as her famous pirating started by some one offing her mate woman scorned indeed fits the trope pretty well as pretty much every one that screwed with her did not have a fun existence
The English would have their revenge, however. In 1593, the man who had sent the attacking force – the English Governor of Connaught – led a raid that captured Grace's brother and sons, and he held them for ransom in his prison, demanding that Grace surrender herself. Grace responded by traveling to #ing London and requesting an audience with another tough-ass British woman ruler with an affinity for high seas privateering – Queen Elizabeth of England. O'Malley brought a dagger with her into the royal chamber (it was confiscated), accidentally offended a courtier by throwing his handkerchief into a fireplace, and spoke Latin to the Queen because she didn't want to speak English to her. Despite being a Pirate Queen talking to an Actual Queen, Grace refused to bow, stood tall, and demanded the release of her family. Elizabeth, who was a reasonable enough woman when it came to s*it like this, agreed to fire the jackass Governor, recall him to England, and release the prisoners of O'Malley agreed to stop destabilizing the countryside and supporting the rebellions of petty Irish nobles. That was cool with Grace, and the deal was done. That's one way to get rid of your enemies. Grace O'Malley dominated the shipping lanes and accumulated tons of wealth during her lifetime. She was never conquered, never defeated, and died an old woman living in a giant #ing castle on top of piles of gold coins and 25 year-old studs with rock-hard abs. Her son went on to be the Viscount of Mayo, which sounds like a cartoon character for a fast-food restaurant, and nowadays she's memorialized in plenty of Irish folks songs. I guess she's notable because Joyce wrote about her in Finnegan's Wake, but nobody ever knows what the f*ck Joyce is ever talking about so it's barely worth mentioning.
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Sheye
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: 727Sky
Not triggered, as I said I couldn't care less but if you'd be female and read the shiite that is often written on ATS you may become 'specialised' to notice these things. The same way you can tell racist threads even if OP states clearly that they aren't.
Maybe if you're a weak-spined little twat that doesn't need to be given responsibilities of adulthood yet. Others with a solid head on our shoulders and no victim complex read the OP and go "Huh, that actually makes sense, neat."
Truth is subjective on the ‘solid head’ remark. Honestly with the OP literally starting like this...
I guess the next time you hear someone say if women were running things there would be peace and happiness throughout the world. When you hear that refer back to this linked article.
... it does have a hint of misogyny to it.
Not really, it's simply blunt. Many people, mostly women, have made the claim that if the world was matriarchal instead of patriarchal, that it would be a more peaceful and less violent place. Halfoldman gave two very good examples from more recent African history that showed no, it wouldn't be, they slaughtered just as willingly as men do. Catherine The Great did a particularly good job of it, as well.
I think trying to say that's offensive or denigrating or whatever is just trying to find something to wave a victim card over. Victim cards over pointing out a fallacy are unbecoming, and don't do anyone any favors anyway.