The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

fighting time travel in general is stupid, but attacking his form of it and disproving that method is how john titor is found a fraud.

unless roth can show in detailed science how the guy from the university was wrong and how john titor science was in fact right

prove his science and everything else i can take very serious. but prove it false and i cant really take any of it serious as far as it definately happening.

i didnt read that past few posts but...i have to say a thought i jst had.

i have a belief that everything you do changes/effects the future...71 pages of john titor in this topic alone for john titor is effecting the world.

maby when john grew up he hadnt ever came back in time before. like he did now...he totally effected the whole future and because everyone who reads this is having there lives changed from what happend in titors age, the world may possibly end up different from what titor said.

i can see how maby he was back in time when he grew up. (2 titors before, and two titors a few years ago also.)

but imagine if the time travel was invented today and you wanted to go back 5 minutes in the room that u were in. you would see your self but you wouldnt have seen your self the frist time while still preparing to use the device.

there is a chance, this was the first age ever where titor tried to warn everyone...maby everthing will be different.

hope i made sense.

BirDMan_x

[edit on 1-11-2005 by BirDMan_X]

Apparently there is a real "John Titor" that is actually alive and a little kid right now. Boy, is that guy going to be confused as hell when he grows up and reads all of this stuff.

I am just curious, Thatsjustweird.


Are you paying attention to whats going on in the American government these days...and how their divisions are tearing apart this country.

Right now everyone is still picking sides.

Just like the whole history of humanity, there is no doubt that there will be more wars in our future.

Are you even paying attention?

Originally posted by grimreaper797
fighting time travel in general is stupid, but attacking his form of it and disproving that method is how john titor is found a fraud.

unless roth can show in detailed science how the guy from the university was wrong and how john titor science was in fact right

prove his science and everything else i can take very serious. but prove it false and i cant really take any of it serious as far as it definately happening.

I wasn't awhere anybody did Prove his science was flawed? maybe I missed something, But the physicist Dr. Brown:

Dr. Robert Brown, a physicist at Duke University analysed the science involved in Titor's time travel explanations and states it is impossible, both in theory and practice. He alludes that Titor's story plagiarizes older science novels such as Alas, Babylon and non-fiction works such as Michio Kaku's Hyperspace to construct his time travelling stories. He concludes his critique by suggesting that people are extremely gullible to believe the plausibility of Titor's time travel and stories of a post-apocalypse world.

This is just a opinion, there is no science in this statement, a statement is what it is, no math problem, an has he collected the Reward?

Titor could very well be bunk, but so far Nobody has proven him wrong, and what was that about Western instability:

www.cnn.com...

riots six nights in a row in one Western city is interesting, don't ya think?

Sci-fi books, movies, tv shows have been a very good glimps into our future, it doesn't suprise me that there have been books based on time travel. Just read George Orwells 1984, written in 1947 it shows a remakable future that is very similar to our oun reality.

But If Mr. Brown the Physicists will show the math or some physics to why or how Titor is a fraud, then lets see it. So far all I have seen is his opinions. Now if you can get a Super Genius like Steven Hawkings to say he is a fraud/with the math to back it up, then he should get the cupi doll and the case is closed.

untill then Im still waiting.



[edit on 1-11-2005 by LDragonFire]

Originally posted by Where2Hide2006
I am just curious, Thatsjustweird.


Are you paying attention to whats going on in the American government these days...and how their divisions are tearing apart this country.

Right now everyone is still picking sides.

Just like the whole history of humanity, there is no doubt that there will be more wars in our future.

Are you even paying attention?

Yes I am paying attention. Are you?

I'm paying attention and I see no civil war that started last year. I don't see millions of Americans fighting each other and dying by the hands of their fellow citizens as predicted by John Titor. Do you?

There are divisions in the US, but they are not tearing the country apart. There have always been divisions in the country. That's what makes America America. We're free to believe whatever we want to believe.
Right now, life in America is too good and as a result there is no issue that we would go to war with each other over and give up this way of life for. Not one.

Thatsjustweird, it will only be apparent in a few years when it will be at everyone's doorstep. Everyone's doorstep! It means that it will be obivious and you'll be able to see if it happens.

I think that what's it means.

Hello JT! You're only 7 years old now but if you're on the net, please let us know.

LOL!

Is it just me or does it sound like Titor thinks the cold war never ended. He doesn't mention anything of Islmaic extremisem or any other kind of extremisem. And if the cold war did never end in his "time-line" then surely when he came into ours he would have noticed that therefore rendering his information usless

Originally posted by spartan433
Is it just me or does it sound like Titor thinks the cold war never ended. He doesn't mention anything of Islmaic extremisem or any other kind of extremisem. And if the cold war did never end in his "time-line" then surely when he came into ours he would have noticed that therefore rendering his information usless

Because in his reality of everyday, the enemy if not the terrorists and islamic extremists, the enemy is the governement, those who want to bring a sort of police state or something near that. They want to kill those who are the rebels. So if everyday I could get killed by a soldier, i wouldn't care about a pseudo-terrorists miles away when the enemy is close to 10 feets of me.

[edit on 2-11-2005 by Vitchilo]

I wasn't awhere anybody did Prove his science was flawed? maybe I missed something, But the physicist Dr. Brown:

Please please read...

news.bbc.co.uk...

I have posted this loads of times and Titor believers never reply

riots six nights in a row in one Western city is interesting, don't ya think?

SO WHAT!!!!

Look...

We had the LA riots in 1992... so???

The Brixton riots in Britain in the 1980's... so???

There has been many riots in many countrys all throughout history...SO???

Then we had the 50's and 60's in America when there was the mass civil rights protest, the Vietnam War and the Cold War all happening at the same time. If there has ever been a period of western instability surly this was it!!!!!!!

In fact, when has there been a period in history where we can say that the "west" was stable????

Let me ask you a question Mr LDragonFire...


What have you done to prepare for the upcoming major events Titor suggests???


Please answer cos i would love to know!

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Unbelievable man....

This is truely amazing. Your level of commitment to some random geek with access to the internet claiming he's a time traveler is truely....well....disturbing. Your utter disregard of facts and your insistence to ignore and not even consider the truth is equally disturbing.

Anyway, I've already said what I have to say. Your lack of comprehension of the most simplest things makes it hard to carry on with a decent debate.
A perfect example is your trying to show Bush holding the country together. That's just funny. Everything your quoted, linked, and highlighted shows the EXACT OPPOSITE! (or was completely irrelevent)

Which makes me think you're doing all this on purpose.
Do you honestly think Bush's record low approval rating is due to him trying to hold the country together?
Do you honestly think Bush trying to do what's best for his politcal party even if it means screwing the American people is trying to hold the country together?
The quote you highlighted shows just that!
"Instead of uniting the country through his choice, the president has chosen to reward one faction of his party at the risk of dividing the country," Leahy said."
You highlighted this and yet you're trying to prove the opposite.

This is why I believe you aren't serious.

Please don't get me wrong. I am still serious with regards to John Titor's "predictions" though I might view them from a different perspective.

The reason why I highlighted the quote: -"Instead of uniting the country through his choice, the president has chosen to reward one faction of his party at the risk of dividing the country," Leahy said."- is simply because I believe G.W. Bush is truly trying to keep the country together but his decisions/choices are indeed only dividing this country even further.

Remember that at the beginning of his presidency G.W. Bush made the historical remarks: "I am a uniter, not a divider"
Unfortunately his and his Administration's decisions indeed drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.

I am sure that's why Titor said: "The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.

It simply were bad decisions that eventually lead to a Titorian Third World War.......

John Titor
"Again, it's hard to judge good and bad outcomes, only good and bad decisions."

wheres priest with that link. the physicist did in fact show mathmatical proof, now if any of you are mathmaticians and would like to prove him wrong, go right ahead. but recall titor never showed any mathmatical proof, just theories as well.

also thatjustwierd, you are tryin to make points but going about it in very poor manner. everytime i see you coming to a very reasonable point you totally screw it up and turn it into an insult followed by an outragous claim. i could see the point you wanted to make but then made it so easy to attack your arguement when you said things like "no americans are killing other fellow americans over a civil war." or "life is too good in america for anyone to go for a civil war" because 1. titor had never said anything about killing fellow americans, he said there would be armed conflicts, didnt say with who. 2. you are living in a fantasy america, probably a high end part. i know a kid in highschool who thinks just like you. you have no clue apparently what its like to be held down at the bottem of the chain, that bottom of the pyramid. there are a great amount of people who dont have anything close to a perfect life, and would gladly rebel. dont think so then walk through any ghetto, watch how people are living, and how many would do anything to get out of there.

Originally posted by Roth Joint

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Unbelievable man....

This is truely amazing. Your level of commitment to some random geek with access to the internet claiming he's a time traveler is truely....well....disturbing. Your utter disregard of facts and your insistence to ignore and not even consider the truth is equally disturbing.

Anyway, I've already said what I have to say. Your lack of comprehension of the most simplest things makes it hard to carry on with a decent debate.
A perfect example is your trying to show Bush holding the country together. That's just funny. Everything your quoted, linked, and highlighted shows the EXACT OPPOSITE! (or was completely irrelevent)

Which makes me think you're doing all this on purpose.
Do you honestly think Bush's record low approval rating is due to him trying to hold the country together?
Do you honestly think Bush trying to do what's best for his politcal party even if it means screwing the American people is trying to hold the country together?
The quote you highlighted shows just that!
"Instead of uniting the country through his choice, the president has chosen to reward one faction of his party at the risk of dividing the country," Leahy said."
You highlighted this and yet you're trying to prove the opposite.

This is why I believe you aren't serious.

Please don't get me wrong. I am still serious with regards to John Titor's "predictions" though I might view them from a different perspective.

The reason why I highlighted the quote: -"Instead of uniting the country through his choice, the president has chosen to reward one faction of his party at the risk of dividing the country," Leahy said."- is simply because I believe G.W. Bush is truly trying to keep the country together but his decisions/choices are indeed only dividing this country even further.

Remember that at the beginning of his presidency G.W. Bush made the historical remarks: "I am a uniter, not a divider"
Unfortunately his and his Administration's decisions indeed drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.

I am sure that's why Titor said: "The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights.

It simply were bad decisions that eventually lead to a Titorian Third World War.......

John Titor
"Again, it's hard to judge good and bad outcomes, only good and bad decisions."

I imagine a big reason we are now slpitting...

G.W. Bush made the historical remarks: "I am a uniter, not a divider"

when he says that ppl only think about the dividing part and it gets to them....that is truely a true statment i jst stated.it is helping the US divide because of him.

Originally posted by grimreaper797
also thatjustwierd, you are tryin to make points but going about it in very poor manner. everytime i see you coming to a very reasonable point you totally screw it up and turn it into an insult followed by an outragous claim. i could see the point you wanted to make but then made it so easy to attack your arguement when you said things like "no americans are killing other fellow americans over a civil war." or "life is too good in america for anyone to go for a civil war" because 1. titor had never said anything about killing fellow americans, he said there would be armed conflicts, didnt say with who. 2. you are living in a fantasy america, probably a high end part. i know a kid in highschool who thinks just like you. you have no clue apparently what its like to be held down at the bottem of the chain, that bottom of the pyramid. there are a great amount of people who dont have anything close to a perfect life, and would gladly rebel. dont think so then walk through any ghetto, watch how people are living, and how many would do anything to get out of there.

Wow man. I'm not trying to be a grammar nazi or anything but...this is just bad...

Anyway

everytime i see you coming to a very reasonable point you totally screw it up and turn it into an insult followed by an outragous claim.

Insults? Outragous claims?

Are you even reading my posts?

i could see the point you wanted to make but then made it so easy to attack your arguement when you said things like "no americans are killing other fellow americans over a civil war."

I'm 100% sure I never said that. Just read my post again, several times. I'm not sure what you're trying to quote me on...

or "life is too good in america for anyone to go for a civil war" because 1. titor had never said anything about killing fellow americans, he said there would be armed conflicts, didnt say with who.

Ummm....what do you think a Civil War is?
Besides, in armed conflicts....people are killed. Are you saying there's going to be armed conflicts for 10 years but no one dies?
That's not what Titor stated.

2. you are living in a fantasy america, probably a high end part.

Define fantasy America?
Show me what I wrote that lead you to believe this.
Is it simply because I don't believe some nerd claiming to be a time traveler?
And why does me not believing Titor lead you to believe I'm well off?

i know a kid in highschool who thinks just like you. you have no clue apparently what its like to be held down at the bottem of the chain, that bottom of the pyramid. there are a great amount of people who dont have anything close to a perfect life, and would gladly rebel. dont think so then walk through any ghetto, watch how people are living, and how many would do anything to get out of there.

Ignorance is bliss eh?
Funny how you can come to this conclusion based on what I write in a thread discussing a fictional character. You're something else
You're young still and you have a lot to learn.
But, just so you'll know. My family has been at the bottom. The first few years of my life were spent in an Apartment in a very not so friendly place (we had to move because some drug deal fire bombed the place after shooting a few police officers). Oh, and do you believe being a minority (mixed black and Native American - the two worst treated peoples in America) made life easier?
However, it is only your fault if you stay at the bottom. No other country gives you as many oppurtunites to succeed as here in America. Since when is it wrong to be successful?
btw, why do you think rebeling will get you out of the ghetto? What kind of nonsense is that? That would solve absolutely nothing. It would only put you in a worse position.

I have a game for you grim....
It's called:


I'm just messing with you
Nevertheless, it would be best if you know what you're talking about before you just randomly post...nonsense...

yes if you like you can go all out on my grammar, this is an online message board so i really dont care about my grammar.

yes you have done some insults, maybe indirect but i would concider them to be insults toward other people. ive seen threads with less insults been closed before because of it but thats another story.

yes you did in fact say "I don't see millions of Americans fighting each other and dying by the hands of their fellow citizens" when (unless you can quote him with a link) titor never said such remarks about killing fellow americans. he states that it would be a country verse city type thing. not the people in the city but the people "holding people without due process" aka police ect.

i did not say that no one would be killed in these armed conflicts, please dont put words in my mouth. i simply said that people would get into armed conflicts. i concider the police and other government enforcers citizens but definately not fellow americans since they are not under the same rules as i am.

you should know i think titor is a fake, but im in here to watch people debate something very contraversal in their eyes. you are trying to make an arguement but including insults along the way and a poor attitude when providing your views, with extreme sarcasim i may add.

i have read this entire thread, very carefully, and its easy to determine the character of a person. you are sarcastic but thats pretty obvious. you seem to believe a civil war could never be, which leads me to believe you havent been onthe other side. so that makes me believe your ignorant of other peoples situations since i know many people who would gladly pick up a gun to make changes. maybe not around your parts but people around here are getting fed up. the gasoline is set, all it takes is a spark. i can tell that you havent though because had you seen this for any time in your life where you were capable of reason and understanding (not a young child that cant really comprehend its current situation) you would see how many people are just waiting for some one to lead them.

i dont think you can make a reasonable arguement of knowing what living in a poor area is like unless you lived it for a prolonged period of time. living there for a year or two is like taking a visit. especially since you were so young. lol staying at the bottom. dont tell me about that. you work your ass off so you can be another sheep? pay your taxes work to your death. im not materialistic, but i do have needs. define sucessful. i believe we have two totally different ideas of it. you seem to have an idea that if you become middle class and work for the rest of your life you have become a sucess.

the system we are in is depriving of truth and knowledge. to me sucessful is being able to give every person the right to do whatever they please. as much as youd like to believe that people already can thats not true. we are deprived of education and the necessities to accomplish anything. rich get richer poor get poorer. rebelling isnt about me getting out of this ghetto, in fact, it has nothing to do with me at all. its about everyone being able to truely be in control of themselves, instead of being tricked that they are in control. theres many things your not seeing and to say something isnt true without the best possible proof, or any proof, is to say the least biased or ignorant. are you the kind of person that says "dont bother voting for third party canidates, its a wasted vote?" because you kinda seem like it, but this is one thing im just kinda guessing on.

the fact you stated its a persons fault for not being sucessful makes me even futrther my idea your ignorant to other sides of life, or at least bias to them. go to a school in the bad parts of new york or LA and see the kind of eduication is being given. the chances. you think everyone can get scholarships, especially over those rich private school kids who got a first rate education while you got teachers who were watching to see when the class is over because they wanna be there less then you.

This could turn out to be a possible civil war .

The members of a peaceful freedom-fighting group want no part of neo-cons running the imperialistic U.S. government. Plan to secede from the U.S. gaining momentum in the fiercely independent Green Mountain state.

If the state of Vermont does decide to secede from the union does anyone think the federal empire...er...I mean government...will let them stay out of the union??It isn't a matter of what Vermont has or doesn't have that the feds would want like the article mentioned..It has to do with the other states thinking well if Vermont did it we can do it too..Alaska and Hawaii have already been thinking of seceding...How many other states are also?

I don't really care if this is Titor related or not...I just thought it fit here and give Vermont two thumbs way up...It's about damn time!Here come the Patriots...WOOHOO!!!!

Can anyone prove that the science guy who discredits JT's quantum mechanics is right? Can someone show me what those formulas mean (in laymans terms)? How do you know he is actually discrediting JT? Because he says so? How is that a substantiated fact?

Without the ability to fully understand the physics behind what the physics professor was saying, to outright fully believe him would be as foolish as outright fully believing JT. BOTH of thier statements should be verified by 'nonpartisan' witness's who understand the full particulars before assumtions can be made. Is there a second physics person who can 'give a second opinion'? Are there any other physics/quantum mechanics professors who would disagree with his prognosis?

Stating "because the physics guy said it won't work" isn't enough proof for me to jump on that bandwagon. How do you know his quantum mechanical understanding isn't flawed? Because he alone says it isn't? Thats not enough 'proof' for me that the physics are flawed.

Blindly following one is the same as blindly following the other.

BTW Good Posts Roth Joint and LDragonFire.

[edit on 3-11-2005 by Master Wu]

peaceful freedom-fighting group

Can you say "oxymoron"? lol.

Well I don't know a lot about the US but.... would Vermont even be able to support themself? They would still depend entirely on the US. Hawaii could MAYBE get away with it, separate from the mainland and it has Pearl Harbour. Alaska maybe. Probably will blow up Canada in the crossfire though. But VERMONT? lol. I dunno...

Master Wu

In the calculation to determine mass, he uses G (the force of gravity) as a constant with respect to earth. The mass he figures would be that of a small moon, which itself holds a gravitional field. G would have to be figured using an equation with at least one variable, not a constant.

yes you did in fact say "I don't see millions of Americans fighting each other and dying by the hands of their fellow citizens" when (unless you can quote him with a link) titor never said such remarks about killing fellow americans. he states that it would be a country verse city type thing. not the people in the city but the people "holding people without due process" aka police ect.

And sorry, im not trying to be rude, but i really dont understand what you are trying to say. It makes no sense to me. could you please explain?

country verse city type thing?? what does that mean??

thanks

[edit on 3-11-2005 by undercoverchef]