The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

There's no proof that the ice caps will be melting at a faster rate in 30 years. There's credible theories and plenty of evidence to suggest so, but you cannot predict the future so you never know. There are also credible scientists who don't believe the ice caps are going to start melting faster and faster.

Titor will be debunked when either the hoaxer admits it or no civil war, WW3 etc occurs. We can't possibly know what's going on in 2036, whether it be ice caps or whatever so that's a dead end. And some could argue that even if the Olympics went ahead in 2008, that might just be that very useful 2% divergence factor kicking in.

We'll just have to wait and hope that it's all a hoax.

its proof he never set foot in 2036. do you really think the trend will reverse it self ? suddenly bush passes tough legislation to prevent it ? suddenly the whole world stops using their cars, and everyone walks to work ? suddenly global warming stops ? katrina is proof the oceans are getting warmer....the ice is melting at a faster rate, and anyone from 2036 would be aware of it. He wasn't. ergo, therfore, he was never in 2036, and is a hoax

as far as I'm concerned, its the final nail in the coffin.

no monthly waco events + no american civil war + melting ice caps = hoax.


peace

this thread keeps getting bigger, despite the fact that nothing Titor imparted has come to pass.
Oh stop me before I contribute to this worthless thread again

Originally posted by freddieb
this thread keeps getting bigger, despite the fact that nothing Titor imparted has come to pass.
Oh stop me before I contribute to this worthless thread again

Try worthless reply to a thread.

Allow me to express my opinion, even though I do not believe or disbelieve Titor's story, I don't believe Katrina had any impact on the credibility of the story whatsoever. Titor would have probably said something like, "There is a major disaster in 2005, but it's important that it remain a secret," or something like that. He did say something along the lines of, but it wasn't 2005.

-Chris

When we will now if the Bush's plan to federal government's ability to quickly bring the forces of the U.S. military to bear on domestic soil during times of "extreme circumstances"??

www.atsnn.com...

If this thing get passed, it will be nice don't you think?

[edit on 30-9-2005 by Vitchilo]

And if Israel attacks Iran, it will add another tensions in the muslim world...

www.atsnn.com...

Israeli Legislators to Washington: If You Don't Stop Iran, We Will....

Like JT said,

Does the continuing conflict between Arabs and Jews have anything to do with the upcoming war?
Yes.

Does the current relationship between Arabs and Jews have anything to do with the coming war?

Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election. The Jewish population in Israel is not prepared for a true offensive war. They are prepared for the ultimate defense. Wavering western support for Israel is what gives Israel's neighbors the confidence to attack. The last resort for a defensive Israel and its offensive Arab neighbors is to use weapons of mass destruction. In the grand scheme of things, the war in the Middle East is a part of what's to come, not the cause.

The Arab countries appear to have weapons of mass destruction. Do they use them against America?

Not against America but they are used against each other.

So only time will tell but if Israel invade Iran.... the consequences could be disastrous...

[edit on 1-10-2005 by Vitchilo]

Something that I want to say is that if Condelezza Rice is president in 2008, it will be worst than with Bush! She's crazy, she want to attack every single country! And she seems to like power!

And JT told something about the president in 2008/9 :

The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.

I have a real problem with this women and I think that she could be that kind of president...


[edit on 1-10-2005 by Vitchilo]

[edit on 1-10-2005 by Vitchilo]

Could it be that the military action associated with Katrina and Rita as well as exercises in other cities and the mounting police state will, in 30 years, be viewed as the early actions of a Civil War? I myself am highly skeptical of Titor, but I do believe the US is heading towards a major turning point, for better or worse. Remember: The revolution will not be televised.

This is what I believe too, even if Titor is a hoax, the USA can even go to a police state/dictatorship/civil war maybe in 10 years, maybe next week, who knows?

And with that thing with Israël and Iran, if Israel do something... it will be ugly, very ugly if it escalate...

And for JT, the civil war will be at everyone doorstep in 2007-2008? Or is it 2006? End of 2006?

Only time will tell and will prove that JT is a hoax or not.

[edit on 3-10-2005 by Vitchilo]

oops, i forgot to update.

September passed with no waco-type events, and no civil war.

9 down, 3 to go

Do you think Waco events would be on CNN?

And Bush again want to use military to control population in extreme cases :

www.atsnn.com...

And this is more and more like a security vs freedom fight. Who will win?

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush says the possibility of an avian flu pandemic is among the reasons he wants Congress to give him the power to use the nation's military in law enforcement roles in the United States.

www.cnn.com...

Isn't that that Hitler said to control the army? To protect people? HAHAHA History is an eternal restarting!

[edit on 5-10-2005 by Vitchilo]

Wow. Come on people. You guys are not using your brains. I firmly believe that the majority of people that are members of ATS are intelligent people. Please support my beliefs!

Originally posted by Vitchilo
And Bush again want to use military to control population in extreme cases :

www.atsnn.com...

And this is more and more like a security vs freedom fight. Who will win?

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush says the possibility of an avian flu pandemic is among the reasons he wants Congress to give him the power to use the nation's military in law enforcement roles in the United States.

www.cnn.com...

Isn't that that Hitler said to control the army? To protect people? HAHAHA History is an eternal restarting!

I'm afraid this is a serious post, is it not? You weren't joking were you?
Unfortunately I don't think you were.

1. There won't be a pandemic of bird flu in the next three years that Bush is in office (or ever for that matter). Especially not here in the US.

2. Suppose there was one and millions were sick and dying. If you were leader, what would you do knowing good and well state and local officials do not have the all the resources they would need and would be devestatingly overwhelmed?

Do you think Waco events would be on CNN?

Waco was on CNN right?
So how can you hide, or why would you hide something equal to or bigger?




10th month and still no civil war....I wonder why...


[edit on 5-10-2005 by ThatsJustWeird]

OBVIOUSLY my definition of waco type events was 'glossed over' or outright ignored.

There have been many waco events.

Wake Up.

ps - my 8 year old says "i bet he's the type of person who talks and talks but never listens."

Originally posted by Master Wu
There have been many waco events.

And those are? Seriously, I would really want to hear them!

[edit on 5-10-2005 by Vitchilo]

Page 63 of this thread, i point out waco events.
Once read, one can easily see many more of them if one looks around.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
1. There won't be a pandemic of bird flu in the next three years that Bush is in office (or ever for that matter). Especially not here in the US.



And what evidence leads you to believe this?Do you have a crystal ball that tells you this??You cannot possibly know for certain that there will not be a pandemic here.


As for needing to use our military for pandemic control...well that would depend on how bad the outbreak would be.If it was to happen and be contained to say one state I see no problem with that..but,if the outbreak was in one state and the military deployed to each state to form quarantine areas when no outbreaks are reported in those states I would definitely have a problem with that...Most states Law Enforcement agencies have begun and have expanded on their biological or chemical event trainings...I think they would be able to handle an outbreak by themselves without federal military assistance.Would citizens that refused to leave their homes to go into these quarantine areas be forced?If so how much force would we be talking about?I would consider forcing people from their homes for this reason as a Waco-type event...same as the forced evacs down in N.O...especially when they felt they needed to take the guns from there..I live in the country..hardly any neighbors..the chances of me or my neighbors being affected by an outbreak would be slim to none..now do you think I'd go along to one of these quarantine areas where there are sick people?No.And noone would make me...which I would be considered a threat to public health and safety and dealt with as they see fit..I wouldn't need to worry about getting sick then.

Now how many other American citizens would feel and do the same as I?And with the same results as what would happen to me would you not consider this as Waco-type events??

Whether John Titor was real or fake...personally I don't care...What scares me the most..isn't the things Titor said..it's the fact that this thread has gone on for 64 pages with all of you going back and forth about him being real or a fake.
Why don't we have a thread going that's 64 pages strong about what we as the citizens of the United States of America are going to do to fix the things wrong with our country??Or will it not bring you enough points to be worth discussing?

Simon

[edit on 6-10-2005 by Simon_Boudreaux]

Originally posted by Master Wu
Page 63 of this thread, i point out waco events.
Once read, one can easily see many more of them if one looks around.

Titor used Waco as the standard. Anything less than Waco....isn't Waco. You cannot hide or ignore Waco type events. It's impossible.

I read your post on page 63 and it seems you need to do a little more research on what happened at Waco.

And your definituion:

A waco type event is one where citizens rights have been revoked. Where events are not told to us the way they really happened. The government does what they want whether it is against the law or not, or whether innocent people die or not. Where the 'shock factor' of the American viewing public is not only NOT minimized but encouraged.

We're talking about a civil war here. Or events like Waco that build to a civil war. Why is your definition different from Titor's? Isn't this the Titor story? In Waco there was engagement on both sides. Civilians fighting the gov, the gov fighting civilians.
(all of this has been discussed in this thread before, I strongly encourage you to go back and read what has been said)

As far as your "waco type events"

- 911 (check out posts on rense.com if you believe the official story)

9/11 was not a Waco type event, 9/11 was a 9/11 type event. (btw, Rense is a propaganda tool, do NOT believe everything you read there. Please)

- Anthrax in florida (once they traced it to a government scientist the story disappeared, no one has yet been on trial for it, even though they now know who did it)

1. They traced it to a government lab, not a scientist
2. No one is on trial because they do NOT know who's responsible
3. How can you possibly compare that to what happened at Waco?

- Iraq (we all know we were lied into a war. why?)

Iraq is a war. You would compare that to something like Vietnam, not Waco....

- Multiple bombing instances in Iraq (remember the 2 SAS who were caught planting a bomb and had a shootout with the IDF and then were 'rescued' from the very same forces they are training?)

lol
1. The bombings in Iraq are happening in....surprise, surprise....Iraq. Not here in the US
2. There is absolutely nothing even remotely close to Waco in what those terrorists are doing.

- The Salt Lake City Rave (was all that really necessary?why?)

It may not have been necessary, but....that doesn't even come close to what happened at Waco. If Titor meant that the war would start with Salt Lake City Rave events, he would have said so. But no, he said Waco.

- Katrina (did you know that explosive evidence has been found at the levee breach? uh i mean SOLID FOUR FOOT THICK WALL - not a levee. And that had that wall not been blown, katrina would not have flooded the city? And what about the police shootout with people who turned out to be federal agents... why did they not identify themselves to the police, instead of shooting at them when they were discovered?)

Seriously man, where are you getting your info from?
You have got to stop being so gullible and learn how to seperate fact from urban legend/fiction.
I guess you missed the reports that the reports of shootings and stuff were way overblown. There was one policeman shot throughout the whole ordeal and that was a self inflicted wound (accident).
As far as the levee breaching....wow man....you'd be surprised at how far just a little research will get you.
1. The flood walls were only 2 feet thick
2. They were only built to withstand a fast moving Cat 3 storm, not a big cat 4 strom.
3. Because of how the flood wall and levee (and Canal) systems were created, they took alot of the natural protection which NO would have had away. Without that extra protection, the system simply became overwhelmed.
There's alot more, but I want you to look it up for yourself (I'm curious to see where you'll go)

do i really need to list any more waco type events?

Yes

Vitchilo:

Something that I want to say is that if Condelezza Rice is president in 2008, it will be worst than with Bush! She's crazy, she want to attack every single country! And she seems to like power!

Condi hasn't got a chance in the world of becoming president.
lol!! Wow man. You need to seriously catch up on your politics.

The ONLY woman that would have a chance is Hillary.

Simon:

And what evidence leads you to believe this?Do you have a crystal ball that tells you this??You cannot possibly know for certain that there will not be a pandemic here.

Simple. Officials won't let there be one. It wouldn't benefit them one bit, to allow it to reach pandemic levels.
Seriously though, for this to reach those levels in any country, let alone the US would be EXTREMELY surprising. Sure it's possible, but not likely.

Officials won't let there be one. It wouldn't benefit them one bit, to allow it to reach pandemic levels.

Yeah, they will do money and money for them is the best thing in the world!

And what did Titor say about