The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

"Who are legitimately using their 'non-lethal' and apparently very lethal torture weapons upon their own people? "



thats not a civil war by any definition (even titors, can you read ?) and you know it. Can't you do better than that ?

Where are the urban vs rural groups of people US CITIZENS moving in organized manuvers in armed combat ? Can you even addres a simple question without resorting to changing the subject ? Can you ?


you have nothing to stand on except irrelevant taser nonsense.

Is there anyone out there that can even give a semblance of an argument on the points I brought up without posting about Iraq or tasers ?

anyone ?


no, because "the american civil war as predicted by john titor" has not, and will not happen.






end of story

As I said RothJoint, Roberts is the perfect candidate and nothing more. The lins you posted say the same thing. He has made no major controversial issues and a small record.

Bush acting like Lincoln? How is he trying to save the Union from succession?

[edit on 16-8-2005 by Frosty]

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
"Who are legitimately using their 'non-lethal' and apparently very lethal torture weapons upon their own people? "

thats not a civil war by any definition (even titors, can you read ?) and you know it. Can't you do better than that ?

Where are the urban vs rural groups of people US CITIZENS moving in organized manuvers in armed combat ? Can you even addres a simple question without resorting to changing the subject ? Can you ?

you have nothing to stand on except irrelevant taser nonsense.

Is there anyone out there that can even give a semblance of an argument on the points I brought up without posting about Iraq or tasers ?

anyone ?

no, because "the american civil war as predicted by john titor" has not, and will not happen.

end of story

You are circling in your own loops “Syrinx High Priest.” We have discussed this before but I am more than happy to repeat what I have said before. The story has only begun.

Now I am going to answer your question:

Where are the urban vs rural groups of people US CITIZENS moving in organized manuvers in armed combat ? Can you even addres a simple question without resorting to changing the subject ? Can you ?

First:

Titor specifically mentioned the civil war starting out as “WACO-type events” firstly happening every month. That doesn't sound like a sudden full blown civil war does it? Titor meant it would grow into a full blown US Civil War. And that conflict would “flare up and down for 10 years.” JT: “I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse.

These monthly “WACO-type events” steadily getting worse can be recognized by observing the same methods being used by law enforcement officers upon American civilians in the WACO massacre. Innocent and defenseless parents with their children died a horrible death in presence of their own officers of the law. They died whilst their own law enforcement officers should have avoided their cruel death.

Was Titor referring to WACO because of the great fire or because in his viewpoint the law enforcement officers were responsible for the death of innocent/defenceless people? Why don’t we let Titor say it himself:

“Have you see the documentary on Waco? Just for argument's sake, what do you think would happen if information were discovered that confirmed the worst accusations made against the law enforcement officers there? Would you hope nothing?”
"If the federal forces learned anything from WACO it was to install more reliable suppressors on their automatic weapons and don't use flash grenades that leave shell casings after the fire."

The ”groups engaged in maneuver and armed conflict" would develop later on as a result of the “WACO-type events/methods” being used by officers of the law against US citizens. It doesn't make any sense if these "organized groups" would "engage in maneuver and armed conflict" without any particular reason to do so or without any particular enemy to fight with wouldn't you agree? That would be totally absurd ofcourse.

John Titor
Q: Does the civil war start in such a way that those willing will have time to remove themselves to safer locations?
"Yes. You will be forced to ask yourself how many civil rights you will give up to feel safe."
Q: Will you readily be able to identify the enemy?
"They will be the ones arresting and holding people without due process."
“I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse.
"By 2008, I would say the civil conflict is pretty much at everyone's doorstep."
"On my world line in 2011, the United States is in the middle of a civil war that has dramatic effects on most of the other Western governments."
"Outright open fighting was common by then and I joined a shotgun infantry unit in 2011. I served with the "Fighting Diamondbacks" for about 4 years. "
"I would define it as a conflict where organized groups engage in maneuver and armed conflict."
”The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012…”

Now "Syrinx High Priest," back to the part of your question regarding the “urban” vs “rural” groups. Also this has been discussed and explained on this thread long ago.

Lets see what kind of definitions there are for "civil war?"

- Recent civil wars in Central America have been uprisings of poor, rural people who are the majority against a small ruling class made up of the wealthy elite and the military.

- Some civil wars are also categorized as revolutions when major societal restructuring is a possible outcome of the conflict.

Exactly the type of civil war as described by John Titor:

1. Titor never stated that American civilians in the cities were his enemies. Even Titor himself ones lived in the city. However, the oppressing Government isolated the cities from the country to gain more control over the people. From thereon the division between the "cities" and the "country" was well defined.” When Titor was asked if it was a stalemate with the resistance/militia hiding out until the cities are wiped out allowing them to surface, he answered:

“The cities were not isolated because of them [ the Militia ]; they were isolated because of us.” [ the US population
outside of the cities – the “country” ]

“When the civil "conflict" started and got worse, people generally decided to either stay in the cities and lose most of their civil rights under the guise of security or leave the cities for more isolated and rural areas. Our home was searched once and the neighbor across the street was arrested for some unknown reason. That convinced my father to leave the city.”

“From the age of 8 to 12, [2006-2010] we lived away from the cities and spent most of our time in a farm community with other families avoiding conflict with the federal police and National Guard. By that time, it was pretty clear that we were not going back to what we had and the division between the "cities" and the "country" was well defined. My father made a living by putting together 12-volt electrical systems and sailing "commodities" up and down the coast of Florida. I spent most of my time helping him.”

G° : not north and south again was it?
TimeTravel_0 : In 2036, they are our largets trading partner.
TimeTravel_0 : No...more like city angainst country.'
wyrmkin_37 : majorities against minorities.......
TimeTravel_0 : Yes.
TimeTravel_0 : You know...guns versus no guns.
TimeTravel_0 : Power versus no power.
wyrmkin_37 : time to pour another jack and coke
TimeTravel_0 : Un troops versus no UN troops."

2. Titor didn't mean that American civilians would be killing eachother, though that might be a possibility around 2011 when "outright open fighting" becomes common by then. When Titor mentioned “us” (the country) vs “them” (the cities) he didn’t mean the cities themselves but he meant his enemy who was IN the cities:

”Also, please be aware that from my viewpoint, Russia attacked my enemy who was in the U.S. cities. Yes, the U.S. did counter attack.”

Q: Your enemy was in the cities. Was the President in 2005 also on the enemy side? was the President in 2009 on the enemy side? How did you feel personally about these Presidents?
”The President or “leader” in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.”

3. Titor’s enemy was the “American Federal Empire”

”The US cities are destroyed along with the AFE (American Federal Empire)...thus we (in the country) won”.

4. John Titor and his fellow countrymen fought against the Military (apparently around 2011):

Q: You say you were in the militia fighting the US Army. I would think civilians would have no chance of successfully fighting the military.
“You must realize that why people are fighting is more important that what they are fighting with. The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights. They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong.”

“Outright open fighting was common by then and I joined a shotgun infantry unit in 2011. I served with the "Fighting Diamondbacks" for about 4 years. (Hearing in my right ear isn't as good as I would like it).”

Q: Will soldiers be asked to kill their countrymen?
“I'm not positive but don't they sign a small piece of paper now asking them if they would have a problem with that?”

There’s no doubt whatsoever as to what John Titor meant with a “US civil war.”
It wasn’t about American civilians against eachother. It was about American civilians against the oppressing forces of the Government they were living under. Titor clearly mentioned the two opposing sides of the US Civil War. Two enemies opposed to eachother:

One side of the US Civil War – Titor’s and his fellow countrymen’s enemy:
"The “enemy” that was attacked by Russia in the U.S. was the forces of the government you live under right now."
"Also, please be aware that from my viewpoint, Russia attacked my enemy who was in the U.S. cities.

The other side of the US Civil War – The forces of the Government’s enemy:
”I'm not aware of any "mind control" devices being used on you now. However, there are a great many "non lethal" weapon systems in development that turn out to be quite lethal.
Sometimes I watch your television programs that show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons. They usually start out with, “In the future, the army and police will fight its enemies with new weapons systems.” When they use the word “enemy”, they’re talking about YOU! You don’t really think the Marines are going to jump out of helicopters overseas with sticky goop, pepper spray and seizure lights, do you?
Q: Will soldiers be asked to kill their countrymen?
“I'm not positive but don't they sign a small piece of paper now asking them if they would have a problem with that?”

It is interesting to observe Titor's viewpoint regarding the intentions of his enemy -the American Federal Empire- and the true causes behind their rapid implementation of their "NWO-type" of measures.

Who would have thought in 2000 our freedoms would be at stake in 2005 because of a "new" enemy opposed to the Anglo-American imperium? But indeed, that time period has arrived. For any power that was waiting for the right moment to implement it's new limiting rules in a democratic country, this is the perfect time to do so.

John Titor
"You must realize that why people are fighting is more important that what they are fighting with. The conflict was not about taking and holding ground it was about order and rights. They were betting that people wanted security instead of freedom and they were wrong."

It is clear Titor is pointing to something greater then just a country tightening up it's security measures for the sake of it's citizens. They (Titor's enemy) apparently calculated the people would be willing to give up their freedoms in change for the new "security" offered by their Government.

That's why Titor said "they were betting." Apparently this "bet" was perceived by them as an easy one to win. And ofcourse, as sociology and marketing proves us time and time again, people's behaviors are quite predictable. However according to Titor, they will proven to be wrong and find themselves on the wrong side of that "bet."

[edit on 17-8-2005 by Roth Joint]

I'm surprised no-ones mentioned the SWAT teams breaking up that rave in Utah.

for the record, a little info on waco;

www.serendipity.li...
After the February raid by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF) of David Koresh's dissident religious community at Waco, Texas, the FBI and the U.S. Army took over, mounting a 51-day siege. This included such psy-war tactics as sleep deprivation of the inhabitants of the community by means of all-night broadcasts of recordings of the screams of rabbits being slaughtered.

Finally, despite David Koresh's pledge to surrender upon completion of his written explanation of the meaning of the Seven Seals, the FBI and the Army attacked. At dawn on April 19, 1993, and throughout the morning, tanks rammed holes in the main building and pumped (in the FBI's words) "massive amounts" of CS gas into the building, despite knowing that inside were more than a dozen children. The tanks demolished parts of the compound and created tunnels for the wind to blow through. The buildings at this point were saturated with inflammable CS gas and spilled kerosene.
Around midday two U.S. military pyrotechnic devices were fired into the main building, igniting a fire which (because of the holes in the walls allowing the wind to gust through) spread rapidly through the complex of buildings and became an inferno. 74 men, women and children died — including twelve children younger than five years of age.











Can anyone demonstrate ;

8 waco type events this year ?

please be kind enough to stick to the question, or please don't reply. Please consider the scope and nature of waco was and represents.

You where talking about this:

en.wikinews.org...

www.prisonplanet.com...

members.cox.net...

Includes video, not Waco for sure. They just wanted to party, I say let them, we should have the right to live on the edge. We as parents should be expected to protect or children, not leave it upto government and the police..IMHO

Seems to me there have been alot of arrests for people criticzing, and protesting the president...

peace

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
for the record, a little info on waco;
Can anyone demonstrate ;
8 waco type events this year ?
please be kind enough to stick to the question, or please don't reply. Please consider the scope and nature of waco was and represents.

Was Titor referring to WACO because of the great fire or because in his viewpoint the law enforcement officers were responsible for the death of innocent/defenseless people? Why don’t we let Titor say it himself:

“Have you see the documentary on Waco? Just for argument's sake, what do you think would happen if information were discovered that confirmed the worst accusations made against the law enforcement officers there? Would you hope nothing?”
"If the federal forces learned anything from WACO it was to install more reliable suppressors on their automatic weapons and don't use flash grenades that leave shell casings after the fire."

Conclusion: Titor was referring to the method of acting by officers of the law upon their US citizens.

3rdcontinentalcongress.org...
Of course, most concerned patriots remember how CS 'tear gas', a powder banned for use in warfare, was used on the Branch Davidians at Waco in 1993 - and how the manner in which this so-called "non-lethal" weapon was used to immolate more than 80 innocent men, women and children.

Regarding the “WACO-type events" or "WACO-style methods" gradually getting worse:

WACO=
- Innocent/defenseless people dying cruelly & unnecessary
- by the hand of their own officers of the law
- while their deaths should have been avoided
- while their voices and pleas haven't been listened to
- while the law enforcement officers responsible for their
death are cleared without any prosecution for "wrongful death."
- authorities spreading disinformation regarding the incident to the mass media

I am sure you will be able to find lots of these WACO-type incidents in the media that started out on a monthly base but are now steadily growing worse...


www.wacotrib.com...
Coroner calls Waco PD Taser death a homicide
August 16, 2005 - The June 15 death of a 62-year-old disabled Vietnam veteran who was shot multiple times with a 50,000-volt Taser device while fighting with Waco police has been ruled a homicide, Waco police officials said Monday. Waco police have confirmed that it took five officers and multiple shocks with a Taser device to subdue Williams. Officers initially were called to the 1900 block of South 22nd Street in response to a reported domestic disturbance involving Williams and his sister.


sfgate.com.../c/a/2005/08/06/BAGF3E3RNR1.DTL
Man shot with police Taser dies 5 days later
August 6, 2005 - An Alameda man has died after Fremont police shocked him with a Taser a week ago, sparking new concern from civil-rights advocates after the second Bay Area death this week related to the use of stun guns.


www.nbc11.com...
Parents Of Man Killed In Custody Speak Out
August 5, 2005 - The parents of a man who died in a struggle with San Jose police officers are speaking out against the use of Taser guns. Police say they used a Taser gun, pepper spray and a baton to try and subdue Brian Patrick O'Neal. NBC11's Daniel Garza spoke to O'Neal's parents, who question the amount of force used during the struggle. Benjamin O'Neal and Mary Jefferies recall their son's childhood, which held out so much promise. "He was a beautiful child -- very sensitive and caring about his family," his mother said.


www.thetimesonline.com...
Pathologist: Taser killed Cedar Lake man
July 30, 2005 - A Taser used on a Cedar Lake man by a Chicago police officer this year caused his death, though drug use also was a contributing factor, the Cook County medical examiner's office said.


query.nytimes.com...
Taser Gun Death Is Part of National Pattern
July 29, 2005 - The death of a 35-year-old man soon after police officers shocked him with a Taser stun gun in a Queens station house this week is the latest in a growing number of cases nationwide that have provoked debate about the weapons, which are designed to incapacitate with a 50,000-volt charge....


abclocal.go.com...
Family Outrage After Police Taser Gun Death
July 29, 2005 - There are calls for an investigation after a father of three died when police shot him with a stun gun. The NYPD says officers were trying to subdue a drug suspect.


abclocal.go.com...
Pathologist says Taser used by Chicago police killed man
July 29, 2005 - The use of stun guns by police offers is back in the spotlight. The Cook County Medical Examiner has ruled that the death of a man earlier this year was the result of being shot with a taser by Chicago Police.


www.11alive.com...
Family Creates DVD of Taser Incident
July 29, 2005 - The family of a Gwinnett County man who they claim was killed due to excessive use of a Taser gun say they are releasing a DVD in hopes that its dissemination will result in officers being charged. Frederick Williams, 31, died in May 2004 after deputies stunned him with a Taser gun while in jail.


www.officer.com...
New York Man Dies from Police Taser
July 28, 2005 - A violent drug suspect died yesterday after a cop shot him once with a Taser stun gun inside a Queens station house, police said.


www.ohio.com...
Drug use, Taser blamed in death
July 27, 2005 – “I think the biggest thing is that an unarmed teenager should not be killed for trespassing by a professional and a competent police officer,'' McLaughlin said. ``A professional and competent police officer would not have Tased an unarmed teenager four times.”


No deaths this time, but what a performance….
www.palmbeachpost.com...
Teen's party ends in melee with police
August 01, 2005 - The coming-of-age party for a 15-year-old girl ended in a mini-riot between guests and deputies in which at least two people were shocked with Tasers, dozens were hit with pepper spray and nine were arrested.

Vega and other guests said the real chaos started when the deputies arrived, firing their weapons in the area of women and children who were simply trying to leave. Vega said he was shoved with a baton, and his uncle and cousin were shocked with Tasers and arrested. "It was almost like they treated us like we were terrorists," he said. "I think they got over-happy with the damn Tasers and the damn pepper spray. I think they went real wild with it," Monica Garcia said.

Guests said the pepper spray caused several people to vomit, including a 5-year-old girl. One man allegedly had a seizure. Another woman said she saw her 27-year-old son fall after being shot with a pepperball. "I just saw my son drop in front of me. I thought they had killed him," said Maria Magana, whose son, Adam Magana, was among those arrested. "I'm getting flashbacks." Samantha Vega, 16, said she was holding her 3-year-old cousin and fumbling for keys when a deputy aimed a pepperball gun at her."He was shooting at the floor and everywhere else and he pointed the gun at me. My little cousin was scared. She said 'I want to go with my mommy,' " said Vega, who is Eddie Vega's sister.

checked google, CNN.

no waco type events since waco.

No civil war in the US.

No organized groups engaging in maneuvers and armed conflict.

no rural vs urban US citizen conflicts

no federal police force

no signs titor was anything but a preachy hoaxer

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
checked google, CNN.

no waco type events since waco.

No civil war in the US.

No organized groups engaging in maneuvers and armed conflict.

no rural vs urban US citizen conflicts

no federal police force

no signs titor was anything but a preachy hoaxer

Civilian deaths by the hand of their own law enforcement officers using their purported 'non-lethal' weapons everywhere.

Signs of an inflaming US Civil War everywhere you look. Federal, State and Local levels.

Opposition, anger, hatred growing against the use of purported 'non-lethal' weapons by police.

Organized groups already forming against the "Minutemen."

It's only a matter of time before this will escalate in an armed conflict.

[edit on 24-8-2005 by Roth Joint]

*sigh*
Roth still going at it. Why exactly are you doing this Roth? Why are you trying to make something out of nothing? Do you WANT there to be a Civil War? It's obvious you do so I should be asking, why do you want a Civil War? How will you benefit from the millions of lives that would be destroyed?
Also, why is it only you and a handful of other nutjobs believe a civil war is actually taking place? Why is it that only you out of 6 billion people in the world including 300 million in this country insisting there's a civil war. Wouldn't a civil war in on of them most powerful countries in history make news? Yet only a handful of questionable people are talking about it? Don't you find that odd?
Why can't you admit you're wrong Roth? Why must you insist you're right even though you're clearly not? Why ignore the truth?

Originally posted by Roth Joint
Civilian deaths by the hand of their own law enforcement officers using their purported 'non-lethal' weapons everywhere.

By all means show us how many there were this year and show us how it's an increase from say...10 years ago.

Signs of an inflaming US Civil War everywhere you look. Federal, State and Local levels.

WHERE!? You keep saying this but you're not telling us where? It's obviously not everywhere because it's certainly not here.
Also as I said in my last post, I spent my vacation traveling accross this country. WHY DIDN'T I SEE A THING?
Surely I would have seen at least 1 sign right?
Well, I'll tell you why I didn't see anything. Because seeing something would require something there to see.

Opposition, anger, hatred growing against the use of purported 'non-lethal' weapons by police.

See above.

Organized groups already forming against the "Minutemen."

lol
You're kidding right? Most Americans support the minutement. It's for the most part illegals who don't, and what are they going to do? They try anything and they get deported.

It's only a matter of time before this will escalate in an armed conflict.

These armed conflicts were supposed to start last year.

Was Titor referring to WACO because of the great fire or because in his viewpoint the law enforcement officers were responsible for the death of innocent/defenseless people? Why don’t we let Titor say it himself:
......
Conclusion: Titor was referring to the method of acting by officers of the law upon their US citizens.

This is a great example on how you spin and distort truth to try and fit your sick and twisted mind.
He was refering to Waco because it was an ARMED conflict. There was fighting and deaths on both sides.
I've been pleading with you for months to do at least a little research on Waco. I'm hardly surprised you still haven't.

Originally posted by TPL
I'm surprised no-ones mentioned the SWAT teams breaking up that rave in Utah.

I looked into this.
1) The DJ's were so bad, there could have been a riot of people asking for their money back. They deserved to be shut down on that alone.
2) it is illegal to drink aclohol and drive in this country
3) it is illegal to posses coc aine, ecstasy, marijuana and mushrooms.
4) there were reports of sexual abuse at prior raves, and that is illegal as well.
5) there were over 1,000 drunk, high, teenagers at this illegal gathering.

if one of these kids left the party drunk, high, and ran into a bus full of nuns, is that OK because they need to have their rights to live on the edge ?
What about the sexual abuse ? Is that living on the edge ?

wtf does this have to do with this thread ?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
*sigh*
Roth still going at it. Why exactly are you doing this Roth? Why are you trying to make something out of nothing? Do you WANT there to be a Civil War? It's obvious you do so I should be asking, why do you want a Civil War? How will you benefit from the millions of lives that would be destroyed?
Also, why is it only you and a handful of other nutjobs believe a civil war is actually taking place? Why is it that only you out of 6 billion people in the world including 300 million in this country insisting there's a civil war. Wouldn't a civil war in on of them most powerful countries in history make news? Yet only a handful of questionable people are talking about it? Don't you find that odd?
Why can't you admit you're wrong Roth? Why must you insist you're right even though you're clearly not? Why ignore the truth?

Originally posted by Roth Joint
Civilian deaths by the hand of their own law enforcement officers using their purported 'non-lethal' weapons everywhere.

By all means show us how many there were this year and show us how it's an increase from say...10 years ago.

Signs of an inflaming US Civil War everywhere you look. Federal, State and Local levels.

WHERE!? You keep saying this but you're not telling us where? It's obviously not everywhere because it's certainly not here.
Also as I said in my last post, I spent my vacation traveling accross this country. WHY DIDN'T I SEE A THING?
Surely I would have seen at least 1 sign right?
Well, I'll tell you why I didn't see anything. Because seeing something would require something there to see.

Opposition, anger, hatred growing against the use of purported 'non-lethal' weapons by police.

See above.

Organized groups already forming against the "Minutemen."

lol
You're kidding right? Most Americans support the minutement. It's for the most part illegals who don't, and what are they going to do? They try anything and they get deported.

It's only a matter of time before this will escalate in an armed conflict.

These armed conflicts were supposed to start last year.

Was Titor referring to WACO because of the great fire or because in his viewpoint the law enforcement officers were responsible for the death of innocent/defenseless people? Why don’t we let Titor say it himself:
......
Conclusion: Titor was referring to the method of acting by officers of the law upon their US citizens.

This is a great example on how you spin and distort truth to try and fit your sick and twisted mind.
He was refering to Waco because it was an ARMED conflict. There was fighting and deaths on both sides.
I've been pleading with you for months to do at least a little research on Waco. I'm hardly surprised you still haven't.

You are circling in your own loops just as Syrinx High Priest does.
It doesn't matter. For those who are new on this thread, please read the previous answers and explanations I have provided to him long ago regarding the abovementioned matter. With regards to his choice of words, well, that's just ThatsJustWeird.

www.brownsvilleherald.com...
Brown Berets threaten Minutemen
Group urges group to think twice before patrolling

PHARR, July 28, 2005 — Once a powerful and militant organization in the Chicano Liberation Movement, the Brown Berets made it known Wednesday that they will oppose the Minutemen border watch group with physical force if necessary.

“We want to send the message, ‘Think twice before you come here,’” Pablo Delgado, a Brown Beret leader, said at a press confer-ence at the Hidalgo County Democratic Party headquarters.

The Minutemen have said they will come to Texas in October, although it is still unclear whether South Texas is in their plans.

“We do not need the Brown Berets armed against the Minutemen,” Maldonado reiterated after Delgado spoke. He said the people of South Texas are more “evolved” and “civil” than that.

The Brown Berets, primarily active in the late 1960s and early 1970s, are likened to the Black Panthers.

Further fueling the Brown Berets’ anger was the news of Bill Parmley’s resignation from the leadership post of the Texas chap-ter of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps Monday. Parmley claimed the Texas chapter lacked structure and members from his area near Goliad had “racist tendencies,” according to the Victoria Advocate.

“For all the strides that we have made toward equality, the Minutemen are the epitome of hate, fear and ignorance,” he said. “We are unified to stop this racist movement from entering our region.” Read more at:
www.brownsvilleherald.com...

Furthermore, I hope you haven't forgotten that the First World War started with just 2 gunshots fired on a Sarajevo street on a sunny June morning in 1914...

[edit on 24-8-2005 by Roth Joint]

The end is nigh. I finally see what the civil war will be about. Going to War with Iran?

ok, enough verbal semantics. I think anyone with basic reasoning abilities can see there have been no waco type events since waco, and there to date, has been no american civil war in 2005 as predicted by John Titor. No urban vs rural conflict. No federal police. No organized groups engaging in armed combat.



So lets have some fun and look at the science. Titor is a very clever fellow, as he can move backwards and forwards in time with the same device. His culture develops this amazing technology 21 years after a global nuclear war, and only 31 years in our future. I've posted how a real scientist has specifically addressed titor as a fake, and his estimate is that our civilization is 100,000 to 1,000,000 years from having the energy to time travel.

Please understand I am not making a statement time travel is impossible.


I am saying is is 99.9999999% not going to happen in 31 years, and only 21 years after a nuclear war.


What intrigues me is the concept of using time travel of a means of doing errands. If the first time travel trip for our culture is to bo back and get a spare part to fix an O/S so be it, but I was wondering how he brought the spare parts with him.

Does a person travelling in time get to bring things with him/her that they are holding on their person ? Does the time travel machine know how to tell what gets zapped through and what doesn't ?
So if you re standing in the 5th floor of a building, does the machine send through the rug you are standing on ? the I-beams ? your clothes ? a corvette ? a delorean ? an IBM part ? Csn it differentiate between organic and inanimate material ?

Maybe people are threatened by Titor's story because they feel compelled to post Nothing happened over and over again. Like one post is not good enough. Do they feel not being heard?

John Titor

"It is a mistake to give anyone your unwavering belief...but you will find that out yourself in 2005."

It is funny that some people post ....
Nothing happened
John Titor is a hoax
Zero
End of story!

What is the logic of posting like this? Do they feel Titor's predictions should happen all at once?
Is there a failure to understand the logic in statements Titor made!


For those who want to say Titor is a hoax, please give some proof or a picture of the hoaxer...

John Titor

The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over.

Maybe its not observable to everyone that a WAR has been under way until 2008? Government Intelligence may have learned from the Vietnam blunder that is better to keep certain events behind closed doors. Possibly Corporate America makes it seem it hasn't deviated us.. They keep US all to busy with work and deception on what is really happening through media outlets.

Personally I'm amused by all the disinformation of public squibs...

"For those who want to say Titor is a hoax, please give some proof or a picture of the hoaxer... "
I'm glad you brought that up. really

credit to razimus.com
razimus.com...

One obvious suspect is Oliver Williams founder of johntitor dot com and The John Titor Foundation. On December 1st 2003 the following book was published, “John Titor A Time Traveler's Tale” authored under the name, “The John Titor Foundation”. Why would an author want to publish a book and not put their name on it? A review given from a Mr. Hicks who read the book said the following, "You'd be better off just printing out the website". It is claimed that this book was written by John Titor’s mother, but this claim has yet to be backed up with any evidence. It would appear that all signs point to Oliver Williams being the author. Williams was on the radio show Coast to Coast AM with George Noory on August 6th 2004. Williams was there to plug the book for sale on amazon dot com. Among the many guests Coast to Coast AM has had over the years, most have shared a common motive, to advertise their book.

here's another strong possiblity
New information recently uncovered by Space Time News suggests that there is another person greatly suspected to be John Titor. After reviewing Titor’s posts we noticed that his vocabulary was unique. Titor used interesting key word phrases such as; “super universe”, “gravity lock”, and “local gravity”. Concerning the topic of time travel these key words are not well known. In fact after doing a specific google search relating to time travel and these key word phrases we could not see a single web source that wasn’t quoting John Titor, except for one. This one source was unique as it was the only one that could be found. We were looking for a connection to “time travel” and “gravity lock”, “super universe”, or “local gravity”. Amazingly one page was found that has all four of those specific key word phrases. Not the individual words but the exact quoted phrases. The one unique source with all of these key word phrases is located at keelynet dot com. Keely Net has been well known among advanced technology and time travel fans, and Coast to Coast AM listeners for years, the site was established in 1996.

The url of the key word phrases source at Keely Net is here, “www.keelynet.com...”.

It is an archive of an e-mail from the Keely Net mail list. The e-mail of the author is not shown but his name is. The author is, “Gerald O'Docharty”. The significance of this e-mail is that it is dated for January 5th 1999, well over a year before John Titor claimed to have arrived and posted on the net. As John Titor said, "My initial flight was from 2036 to 1975 (61 yrs). I then went from 1975 to 2000 (25 yrs.) Later this year, one of two favorable windows will open and I will return to my 2036 (35 yrs.)".

The similarities between Gerald O’Docharty’s e-mail and John Titor’s posts are strikingly similar. On the topic of time travel both O’Docharty and Titor use the phrases; “super universe”, “gravity lock” and “local gravity”. The similarities only begin there. Both O’Docharty and Titor claimed to know the facts of time travel, not as a theory but as something they actually experienced. In the e-mail O’Docharty writes, “In fact, during every-day common life we often branch away from one another's timelines only to re-merge moments later and no one is the wiser”. Published throughout the Keely Net mail list this e-mail is dated for January 5th 1999. Not from the perspective of a theorist or a scientist but from the viewpoint of a time traveler O’Docharty gives specific steps required for time travel. Note the key word phrases are in bold.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
"For those who want to say Titor is a hoax, please give some proof or a picture of the hoaxer... "
I'm glad you brought that up. really

credit to razimus.com
razimus.com...

One obvious suspect is Oliver Williams founder of johntitor dot com and The John Titor Foundation. On December 1st 2003 the following book was published, “John Titor A Time Traveler's Tale” authored under the name, “The John Titor Foundation”. Why would an author want to publish a book and not put their name on it? A review given from a Mr. Hicks who read the book said the following, "You'd be better off just printing out the website". It is claimed that this book was written by John Titor’s mother, but this claim has yet to be backed up with any evidence. It would appear that all signs point to Oliver Williams being the author. Williams was on the radio show Coast to Coast AM with George Noory on August 6th 2004. Williams was there to plug the book for sale on amazon dot com. Among the many guests Coast to Coast AM has had over the years, most have shared a common motive, to advertise their book.

here's another strong possiblity
New information recently uncovered by Space Time News suggests that there is another person greatly suspected to be John Titor. After reviewing Titor’s posts we noticed that his vocabulary was unique. Titor used interesting key word phrases such as; “super universe”, “gravity lock”, and “local gravity”. Concerning the topic of time travel these key words are not well known. In fact after doing a specific google search relating to time travel and these key word phrases we could not see a single web source that wasn’t quoting John Titor, except for one. This one source was unique as it was the only one that could be found. We were looking for a connection to “time travel” and “gravity lock”, “super universe”, or “local gravity”. Amazingly one page was found that has all four of those specific key word phrases. Not the individual words but the exact quoted phrases. The one unique source with all of these key word phrases is located at keelynet dot com. Keely Net has been well known among advanced technology and time travel fans, and Coast to Coast AM listeners for years, the site was established in 1996.

The url of the key word phrases source at Keely Net is here, “www.keelynet.com...”.

It is an archive of an e-mail from the Keely Net mail list. The e-mail of the author is not shown but his name is. The author is, “Gerald O'Docharty”. The significance of this e-mail is that it is dated for January 5th 1999, well over a year before John Titor claimed to have arrived and posted on the net. As John Titor said, "My initial flight was from 2036 to 1975 (61 yrs). I then went from 1975 to 2000 (25 yrs.) Later this year, one of two favorable windows will open and I will return to my 2036 (35 yrs.)".

The similarities between Gerald O’Docharty’s e-mail and John Titor’s posts are strikingly similar. On the topic of time travel both O’Docharty and Titor use the phrases; “super universe”, “gravity lock” and “local gravity”. The similarities only begin there. Both O’Docharty and Titor claimed to know the facts of time travel, not as a theory but as something they actually experienced. In the e-mail O’Docharty writes, “In fact, during every-day common life we often branch away from one another's timelines only to re-merge moments later and no one is the wiser”. Published throughout the Keely Net mail list this e-mail is dated for January 5th 1999. Not from the perspective of a theorist or a scientist but from the viewpoint of a time traveler O’Docharty gives specific steps required for time travel. Note the key word phrases are in bold.

you are a irrationally skeptic imbecile fvck face. FLAME ON!

[edit on 24-8-2005 by Malevolence5000]

Originally posted by XPhiles
Maybe people are threatened by Titor's story because they feel compelled to post Nothing happened over and over again. Like one post is not good enough. Do they feel not being heard?

John Titor

"It is a mistake to give anyone your unwavering belief...but you will find that out yourself in 2005."

It is funny that some people post ....
Nothing happened
John Titor is a hoax
Zero
End of story!

What is the logic of posting like this? Do they feel Titor's predictions should happen all at once?

I think it's more of not allowing people to fester in their own ignorance.
Titor gave a time frame for which specific stuff will happen. As these dates pass, instead of seeing the truth in that Titor is a fictional story, people continue to either push back the date or twist reality to fit Titor's.

For those who want to say Titor is a hoax, please give some proof or a picture of the hoaxer...

Dude, read through this thread. Plenty of evidence has been presented. People refuse to look or listen to it. A perfect example is what Roth just did. Him and the other Titorites have been doing that throughout this thread. Instead of addressing the issues and questions, they skirt the issue and/or change the subject. I have been asking these people questions for months without getting straight answers.

John Titor

The year 2008 was a general date by which time everyone will realize the world they thought they were living in was over.

Maybe its not observable to everyone that a WAR has been under way until 2008? Government Intelligence may have learned from the Vietnam blunder that is better to keep certain events behind closed doors. Possibly Corporate America makes it seem it hasn't deviated us.. They keep US all to busy with work and deception on what is really happening through media outlets.

We've been through all of this before. Again I highly suggest you read through this thread. It may take a few days though

Titor on the war:
Question: John says the civil war which starts in 2004 or 2005 (depending on the post) leads to the world war in 2015. (So we have a TEN YEAR civil war???)

John Titor: It's 2004. I apologize for a missed key (very observant - we all need good critics). Perhaps our definition of war is different. I would define it as a conflict where organized groups engage in maneuver and armed conflict.

The media would NEVER hide any armed conflicts between organized groups on our soil. Especially if our government is involved.
1. It's impossible.
2. It would be a ratings blockbuster. They would eat that up.

Titor on 2008:
Question: You say the civil war lasts from 2004 to 2008 and then the short big one in 2015. What do the years from 2008 to 2015 look like? How long does WWIII last.

Titor: I’m not sure I said that exactly. By 2008, I would say the civil conflict is pretty much at everyone’s doorstep.

Are you suggesting, that in 2008 people won't realize that there's civil war in which many people are dying and has been going on for four years in the most powerful country on earth until it's on their doorstep?
Is that logical?

(btw, I got these quotes from the original Titor posts. It's good to read the originals www.anomalies.net...)


[edit on 24-8-2005 by ThatsJustWeird]

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Are you suggesting, that in 2008 people won't realize that there's civil war in which many people are dying and has been going on for four years in the most powerful country on earth until it's on their doorstep?
Is that logical?
[edit on 24-8-2005 by ThatsJustWeird]

Yes, do you expect to see lots of dying people? Do you know how the next civil war will be fought?

Both Titor and O'Docharty believe in the multiple universe theory. So what? So does most people!

Look up the word superuniverse, gravity lock or local gravity in google. Those interesting key word phrases relate to tons of web pages.

The problem with Oliver Williams is that he is probably capitolizeing on the Titor story.
There is plenty of wackos claiming to be Titor or associated with him. Money motivates most.

ThatsJustWeird you quote Titor, but you give your own reason for his logic like everyone else. We could quote back-n-forth with our own logic all day long lol...

Here is what we have still... no proof for either..... We have suspects but no case.

can any of the titor supporters here answer 1 question honestly ?

Q: why do you beleive ?