The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

Well I think he may not be a fraud, time travel is possible and for some dude to come rambling on the internet claiming that he is one and making at least some accurate facts in todays world is pretty damn good.

If he is a fraud when the year 2005 passes through then thats alright to. It doesnt matter and nothing to complain about because half of the people claiming things on the internet are false money wanting lieing bastards. (To Mods: edit word if im not allowed to say bastards)

Titor said this year would stir a conflict between the United States and Russia. Just wait and find out. (He didnt say what date it would occur but did say the year 2005 when the conflict starts)

I'm not really to hope for a war for this guys prediction, but eventually we will have one reguardless because this worlds messed up. All the power of Gov with politics and money.

We already have a war with people dieing in Iraq, what makes you think another isnt going to occur direct in the United States?

Think the United Staes doesnt bomb and interfere with other countrys and doesnt have any enemys? God never said he came for world peace.

[edit on 15-7-2005 by phantomviewer]

There is no current dispute between Russia and the US. Russia wouldn't just nuke us without any previous conflict...right?

-Chris

Originally posted by Legend
There is no current dispute between Russia and the US. Russia wouldn't just nuke us without any previous conflict...right?

-Chris

You have to wait for the conflict to start first.

I think there will be no confict and these John Titor thing its just fiction... Time will pass and nothing will happend.

Originally posted by phantomviewer
You have to wait for the conflict to start first.

What kind of conflict is it that grows so fast over 2 years that would make Russia nuke the US?

-Chris

syrinx high priest: so all you have to do is stretch his fantasies and fiction to conform to current events and he's legit ?

nice technique.

please see my sig

Well, hasn't the U.S. invaded and is currently running Iraq?

So it's part of the U.S., in an imperialistic sense. And if your natives are suicide bombing the crap out of everyone, it would be like a civil war.

So the only question here is whether Iraq is considered as part of the U.S. empire. Answer yes, then you've got civil war everday. Answer no, then you don't and must explain the U.S.'s current strange and very unique relation to Iraq, which includes determining its currency and directing various branches of government.

Btw, you don't have a signature. I dearly hope that isn't evidence of your powers of perception.

[edit on 15-7-2005 by ktprktpr]

It's undeniable now. Does everyone see this?
I have tried to help Roth, I provided info and links on non lethal weapons that are not 98, not 99, but 100% more accurate to what Titor was talking about. I'm helping him!!! Yet he continues his taser talk! wtf??
So this is it. This is my last post regarding tasers and while this post will address Roth, it's really for everyone as I know Roth will just ignore it. Roth can continue to make phantom connections all he wants. Please stop posting who articles however Roth.

Anyway.
First up, which is it?
Are tasers Waco type events or are they New non lethal weapon systems?
Titor didn't discuss both in the same context.

Originally posted by Roth Joint
You can bend or twist it however you want it, but the newly developed taser stun-guns are the new “non-lethal” weapon systems John Titor was referring to. Without a doubt there are other “non-lethal” devices but none have proven to be as lethal as the new tasers being used by our own officers of the law, exactly as John Titor “predicted” it.

lol
You didn't even look at the links I provided or you wouldn't be saying this. Ok genius, which non lethal weapon in the links I provided are not as lethal as tasers?
You still haven't even shown tasers to be lethal against healthy people!
Plus Titor mention the SWAT teams and Army using these weapons not regular police officers.

Have we been informed of so many taser-deaths in the news around 2000? These instruments (or mobile electric chairs as they are called nowadays – I wonder why?) were hardly known to the public in general at that time. These newly developed tasers are indeed the “non-lethal” weapon systems Titor was referring to and appearing to be quite lethal.

Just because you were paying attention doesn't mean nothing happened.

Anyway in the past 10 years a little over 100 people have died from Tasers (and nothing has popped so far to show these people were healthy).
In one Waco event over 80 died.
How can you in your right mind compare the two?

No doubt about it. This newly developed taser device is an entire new “non-lethal” weapon.

No, they're new weapons in an old weapon system.
That's like comparing the M16 with the Thompsons used in WW2. Both are in the same weapon system (machine guns) with the M16 being newer. It's still a machine gun however.

3. Now let us analyse Titor’s words:
”However, there are a great many "non lethal" weapon systems in development that turn out to be quite lethal.”
A great many. Let’s assume John Titor meant a great many as in quantities as well as varieties. And those great many “non-lethal” weapon systems would turn out to be quite lethal. So clearly that wasn’t happening around the time he mentioned it.

Great many means more than one. Tasers are just one.
In development means still in the planning phase (in 2001). Tasers - even the new ones - came out before then.

“Sometimes I watch your television programs that show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons.”
I watch your television programs. No doubt John Titor is referring to…. our television programs during that time. Those television programs show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons. What kind of new non-lethal weapons were the SWAT teams testing during the time John Titor mentioned it? Exactly! The newly developed “non-lethal” tasers shooting two fish-hook-barbed electrical wires travelling up to 21 feet delivering a 50,000-volt shock!

If they were using tasers, Titor would have just said tasers.
Tasers were definately around during that time too.

”You don't really think the Marines are going to jump out of helicopters overseas with sticky goop, pepper spray and seizure lights, do you?”
Why would John Titor mention Marines jumping out of helicopters? Because this was the image that those television programs projected during that time. Titor was using a hyperbole in his language. An exaggeration of speech. It was about the relatively innocent “sticky goop, pepper spray and seizure lights” versus the deadly effects of those new “non-lethal” weapon systems.

See, this is YOUR interpetation not TITOR'S. YOURS. You're putting thought and words in Titor's mouth. How do you know he was using a figure of speech.
Remember he's from the year 2036, not 2001. He said he watched those programs but since he's from the future he already lived through everything!
If he though tasers would cause a Civil War he would have said so.

Was he referring to WACO because of the great fire or because in his viewpoint the law enforcement officers were responsible for the death of innocent/defenceless people?

Bull.
How can there be shootouts with people dying on both sides if they were defeseless? Why was there a standoff in the first place if these people were innocent.

Why don’t we let Titor say it himself:
“Have you see the documentary on Waco? Just for argument's sake, what do you think would happen if information were discovered that confirmed the worst accusations made against the law enforcement officers there? Would you hope nothing?”

He's asking a question here? How does this further your argument?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Titor said the war (in which organized groups engage and manuver in armed conflict) begins in 2004.

He never said that. However he said: ”The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse.”

Titor said the Civil War will begin in 2004.
He describe the war as organized groups engaging and manuvering in armed conflict.
Question: John says the civil war which starts in 2004 or 2005 (depending on the post) leads to the world war in 2015. (So we have a TEN YEAR civil war???)

John Titor: It's 2004. I apologize for a missed key (very observant - we all need good critics). Perhaps our definition of war is different. I would define it as a conflict where organized groups engage in maneuver and armed conflict.

Your insinuations are sickening. I will have to correct the absurdity of your statements. Stop trying to pretend as if I am against law, order and rights. Ofcourse I have nothing against law enforcement officers practising their honourable duty.

However I do detest officers of the law using methods upon innocent/defenceless civilians, weapons that are inflicting such severe pain, irreversible damage and death which aforementioned easily could have been prevented simply by the use of old fashioned physical force, either with or without the use of the old fashioned baton.

And when the baton doesn't work....then what?
And if a baton is needed, how exactly are the suspects engaging in innocent/defensless conduct?

Not comparable to what happened in WACO??? Don't make me laugh. The amount of the overwhelming deadly force used upon a handful of shooters in a building together with 75 unarmed and defenseless men, women, fathers, mothers and children??? Is that not comparable to the amount of the overwhelming potentially deadly force of a 50,000 volt fish-hook-barbed electrical wires shooting taser electrocuting the bodies of unarmed and defenseless men, women, fathers, mothers and children for at least 5 seconds??? Think again, please.

Out of all the times tasers have been used, a little over 100 have died in the last 10 years.
In one incident close to a hundred people died at Waco.

Here's what you keep missing about Waco, if you would read up on it like I have said, you wouldn't be missing it. There were at 3 fires that started simultaneously. In 3 different sections of the compound (at this point no one has entered the building yet). That's fact. Undisputable. How did those fires start?

ktp:

Well, hasn't the U.S. invaded and is currently running Iraq?

So it's part of the U.S., in an imperialistic sense. And if your natives are suicide bombing the crap out of everyone, it would be like a civil war.

So the only question here is whether Iraq is considered as part of the U.S. empire. Answer yes, then you've got civil war everday. Answer no, then you don't and must explain the U.S.'s current strange and very unique relation to Iraq, which includes determining its currency and directing various branches of government.

Iraq is in no way a part of the US.
Besides, read up what Titor said. He was specific in saying a civil war would happen here.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
It's undeniable now. Does everyone see this?
I have tried to help Roth, I provided info and links on non lethal weapons that are not 98, not 99, but 100% more accurate to what Titor was talking about. I'm helping him!!! Yet he continues his taser talk! wtf??
So this is it. This is my last post regarding tasers and while this post will address Roth, it's really for everyone as I know Roth will just ignore it. Roth can continue to make phantom connections all he wants. Please stop posting who articles however Roth.

Anyway.
First up, which is it?
Are tasers Waco type events or are they New non lethal weapon systems?
Titor didn't discuss both in the same context.

It hurts doesn’t it ThatsJustWeird? It hurts to be confronted with your illusions popping out one by one like a balloon. I know. It doesn’t matter. Your not alone. Many will have to give up their illusions in order to survive the reality that’s to come over them. Ones you have achieved this your half way there!

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by Roth Joint
You can bend or twist it however you want it, but the newly developed taser stun-guns are the new “non-lethal” weapon systems John Titor was referring to. Without a doubt there are other “non-lethal” devices but none have proven to be as lethal as the new tasers being used by our own officers of the law, exactly as John Titor “predicted” it.

lol
You didn't even look at the links I provided or you wouldn't be saying this. Ok genius, which non lethal weapon in the links I provided are not as lethal as tasers?

So far… none! I haven't heard of any US civilian dying from a "directed energy weapon" used by his/her own officer of the law, have you? However I have heard of many taser deaths.

So far these weapons you named haven't proven to be as lethal as the new “non-lethal” tasers being used upon innocent/defenceless US civilians and proven to be quite lethal nowadays, exactly as John Titor “predicted” it would happen.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
You still haven't even shown tasers to be lethal against healthy people!

There you go. You really got me now... I owe you one! Dogs don’t count don’t they? Thank God it’s oke to kill unhealthy people!

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Plus Titor mention the SWAT teams and Army using these weapons not regular police officers.

Nope. Titor clearly mentioned the Police and the Army. Let’s say that the Police already started…… be careful…..the Army is coming next!

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
Have we been informed of so many taser-deaths in the news around 2000? These instruments (or mobile electric chairs as they are called nowadays – I wonder why?) were hardly known to the public in general at that time. These newly developed tasers are indeed the “non-lethal” weapon systems Titor was referring to and appearing to be quite lethal.

Just because you were paying attention doesn't mean nothing happened.
Anyway in the past 10 years a little over 100 people have died from Tasers (and nothing has popped so far to show these people were healthy).

I am sure many of the people in WACO weren’t completely healthy don’t you think? Thank God it was oke to burn them to death then! Pfffff I nearly thought the law enforcement officers there would have committed….well….a crime!

Let’s see…..when did we hear about those many taser deaths….? 1995?…….2000?……2002?……(keep guessing)…..2003?…..(your almost there…)…...2004....2005? Right!

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
In one Waco event over 80 died.
How can you in your right mind compare the two?

EXACTLY!
The amount of the overwhelming deadly force used upon a handful of shooters in a building together with 75 unarmed and defenseless men, women, fathers, mothers and children??? Is that not comparable to the amount of the overwhelming potentially deadly force of a 50,000 volt fish-hook-barbed electrical wires shooting taser electrocuting the bodies of unarmed and defenseless men, women, fathers, mothers and children for at least 5 seconds??? Ofcourse it does!

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
No doubt about it. This newly developed taser device is an entire new “non-lethal” weapon.

No, they're new weapons in an old weapon system.
That's like comparing the M16 with the Thompsons used in WW2. Both are in the same weapon system (machine guns) with the M16 being newer. It's still a machine gun however.

What about comparing an aeroplane to the space shuttle? They both fly high up in the air, yet they are entirely different systems. What about comparing fireworks with a grenade? They both explode, yet they are entirely different systems. What about comparing a rifle to a cannon? They both shoot projectiles, yet they are entirely different systems. Now that we are talking about “shooting”….. yep, without a doubt it is confirmed that the newly developed taser devices are an entirely new “non-lethal” weapon, shooting 50,000 volts of wired electricity upon the opponent and sticking to the body for at least 5 seconds! as opposed to the older batons that weren't able to shoot anything at all!

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
3. Now let us analyse Titor’s words:
”However, there are a great many "non lethal" weapon systems in development that turn out to be quite lethal.”
A great many. Let’s assume John Titor meant a great many as in quantities as well as varieties. And those great many “non-lethal” weapon systems would turn out to be quite lethal. So clearly that wasn’t happening around the time he mentioned it.

Great many means more than one. Tasers are just one.
In development means still in the planning phase (in 2001). Tasers - even the new ones - came out before then.

Really? But they were still in development as they were still being tested by the SWAT teams! Exactly as John Titor mentioned it. Ofcourse at that time the general public wasn’t aware that they would be used upon….well….them!

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
“Sometimes I watch your television programs that show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons.”
I watch your television programs. No doubt John Titor is referring to…. our television programs during that time. Those television programs show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons. What kind of new non-lethal weapons were the SWAT teams testing during the time John Titor mentioned it? Exactly! The newly developed “non-lethal” tasers shooting two fish-hook-barbed electrical wires travelling up to 21 feet delivering a 50,000-volt shock!

If they were using tasers, Titor would have just said tasers.
Tasers were definately around during that time too.

They were using the newly developed tasers smartie boy. Let’s hear it from Taser International itself:

www.taser.com...
In 1998, the company began Project Stealth: the development of the higher power weapons to stop extremely combative, violent individuals who were impervious to non-lethal weapons. The result of Project Stealth was the ADVANCED TASER M26. Models of the ADVANCED TASER were successfully tested on various Arizona police SWAT team members, each of whom were knocked down and subdued by the device, without injury.

The M26. Exactly the same new “non-lethal” weapon used by our officers of the law.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
”You don't really think the Marines are going to jump out of helicopters overseas with sticky goop, pepper spray and seizure lights, do you?”
Why would John Titor mention Marines jumping out of helicopters? Because this was the image that those television programs projected during that time. Titor was using a hyperbole in his language. An exaggeration of speech. It was about the relatively innocent “sticky goop, pepper spray and seizure lights” versus the deadly effects of those new “non-lethal” weapon systems.

See, this is YOUR interpetation not TITOR'S. YOURS. You're putting thought and words in Titor's mouth. How do you know he was using a figure of speech.
Remember he's from the year 2036, not 2001. He said he watched those programs but since he's from the future he already lived through everything!
If he though tasers would cause a Civil War he would have said so.

Ofcourse. In your eyes he should have named G.W. Bush, 9/11 and the Tsunami in South-East Asia as well. The fact is, John Titor gave us enough information to figure it out for ourselves. Weren’t these programs showing Marines jumping out of helicopters around 2000/2001? Weren’t they showing the M26 and X26 newly developed tasers? Ofcourse they were. Do you want everything on a silver platter you lazy (banable word too)?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
Was he referring to WACO because of the great fire or because in his viewpoint the law enforcement officers were responsible for the death of innocent/defenceless people?

Bull.
How can there be shootouts with people dying on both sides if they were defeseless? Why was there a standoff in the first place if these people were innocent.

Yeah right. Those 25 children were shooting back. I have no words….. absolutely no words for that abovementioned comment coming from you…….

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
Why don’t we let Titor say it himself:
“Have you see the documentary on Waco? Just for argument's sake, what do you think would happen if information were discovered that confirmed the worst accusations made against the law enforcement officers there? Would you hope nothing?”

He's asking a question here? How does this further your argument?

Don’t you think he meant what he said? (I’m asking a question here. How does this further my argument?)

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Titor said the war (in which organized groups engage and manuver in armed conflict) begins in 2004.

He never said that. However he said: ”The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse.”

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Titor said the Civil War will begin in 2004.
He describe the war as organized groups engaging and manuvering in armed conflict.
Question: John says the civil war which starts in 2004 or 2005 (depending on the post) leads to the world war in 2015. (So we have a TEN YEAR civil war???)

John Titor: It's 2004. I apologize for a missed key (very observant - we all need good critics). Perhaps our definition of war is different. I would define it as a conflict where organized groups engage in maneuver and armed conflict.

EXACTLY! Since the second election of 2004 we are hearing from WACO-type taser-deaths as a result of our own law enforcement officers using “electric mobile chairs” upon innocent/defenceless US civilians. It all really started in 2004 and they are most definitely steadily getting worse and more obvious in 2005!

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
Your insinuations are sickening. I will have to correct the absurdity of your statements. Stop trying to pretend as if I am against law, order and rights. Ofcourse I have nothing against law enforcement officers practising their honourable duty.

However I do detest officers of the law using methods upon innocent/defenceless civilians, weapons that are inflicting such severe pain, irreversible damage and death which aforementioned easily could have been prevented simply by the use of old fashioned physical force, either with or without the use of the old fashioned baton.

And when the baton doesn't work....then what?
And if a baton is needed, how exactly are the suspects engaging in innocent/defensless conduct?

Please don’t tell me a baton doesn’t work on a naked man. Please don’t tell me a baton doesn’t work on a woman who doesn’t get out of her car. Please don’t tell me any officer needs to even use a baton on any child. Please don’t tell me that…..

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
Not comparable to what happened in WACO??? Don't make me laugh. The amount of the overwhelming deadly force used upon a handful of shooters in a building together with 75 unarmed and defenseless men, women, fathers, mothers and children??? Is that not comparable to the amount of the overwhelming potentially deadly force of a 50,000 volt fish-hook-barbed electrical wires shooting taser electrocuting the bodies of unarmed and defenseless men, women, fathers, mothers and children for at least 5 seconds??? Think again, please.

Out of all the times tasers have been used, a little over 100 have died in the last 10 years.
In one incident close to a hundred people died at Waco.

Here's what you keep missing about Waco, if you would read up on it like I have said, you wouldn't be missing it. There were at 3 fires that started simultaneously. In 3 different sections of the compound (at this point no one has entered the building yet). That's fact. Undisputable. How did those fires start?

Your wrong. When did we hear about deaths from tasers? Since when are we calling them “mobile electric chairs?” Since 1995? 1998? 2000? 2001? 2003?…….What about THIS year buddy! 2005! Regarding the WACO fire, well then, where are these “facts” ThatsJustWeird? Just show me those “indisputable facts.” And b.t.w. don’t deny those tanks being around, because there are really true FACTS of that. So ThatsJustWeird….. show me your “facts” now…..

Like I said before, I'm not going to continue this nonsense about tasers but I will say....
You asked when we started hearing about taser deaths? Well in one of your own links you provided they said the number of deaths from taser use by police in ALL of North America is 103. When did they start keeping track. 1997. Not 2004. Not 2005.
1997. So to answer your question, we started hearing about taser deaths well before then, but one company started keeping track in 1997.

Originally posted by Roth Joint
So far… none! I haven't heard of any US civilian dying from a "directed energy weapon" used by his/her own officer of the law, have you? However I have heard of many taser deaths.

Exactly! Why? Because they're still being developed as Titor said! He said they would be used in the war. There is no war.

The amount of the overwhelming deadly force used upon a handful of shooters in a building together with 75 unarmed and defenseless men, women, fathers, mothers and children???

Read up on Waco. Please.

What about comparing an aeroplane to the space shuttle? They both fly high up in the air, yet they are entirely different systems.

Your almost there.
Now how many different airplanes are there? Many! There are many different types of airplanes but they're still airplanes.

Again, I'm not going to address tasers again in this thread as it's irrelevant. I will however quote and highlight some of your comments so you can read them again. Read them out loud.

Really? But they were still in development as they were still being tested by the SWAT teams! Exactly as John Titor mentioned it. Ofcourse at that time the general public wasn’t aware that they would be used upon….well….them!

All I got to say is read up on the '90s....

Ofcourse. In your eyes he should have named G.W. Bush, 9/11 and the Tsunami in South-East Asia as well.

He mentioned the Civil War and WW3 didn't he?
He said specific things of what other countries would do didn't he?
He said specific diseases that would affect us didn't he?
So yes, he should have mentioned those things.

Weren’t these programs showing Marines jumping out of helicopters around 2000/2001? Weren’t they showing the M26 and X26 newly developed tasers? Ofcourse they were.

I can guarentee you there are no shows right now or in 2001 showing Marines using tasers. I can guarentee you that.

Yeah right. Those 25 children were shooting back. I have no words….. absolutely no words for that abovementioned comment coming from you…….

How do you spell children again? Is it c-h-i-l-d-r-e-n*? Yes I think it is.
Not once did I ever mention the children shooting. This is just your excuse to skip over the issue.
Was there or was there not shootouts (

Originally posted by blackSt33L
You know I always thought that if the US ever did split,where would the boarder lines be?Most likely the west on its own.capitol Denver.(boarderline missippii river)

The North on its own.Capitol,Washington D.C.(boarderline from virginia upwards to missippi river.

And ofcourse the South(where you all probably guessed where the boarderline is)Capitol Atlanta.

Ofcourse the US will never split but i wonder how these nations will cope with the split in the event that it might happen?

When Titor is talking about "Civil War", I don't think he is talking about the North and South or East and West. He is mostlikely refering to Democrats vs. Republicans / Liberals vs. Conservatives, it is going on as we speak. I am an Independant, but I can see one side is a bit more vicious than the other, and the other is just barely fending them off. Believe it or not, the Libs, even in there death throughs are beating the snot out of the Cons, the Cons have all the power but are to spinless to use it. I believe in issues on both side and believe both sides are equally sleazy, but some of the BS that the Libs have pulled lately has really got me disgusted, do you know that the Democat party is essentially "Communism lite"! They both have the same philosophies, goals, and desires....sorry, i have drifted a bit haven't I...

I don't think they'll ever be a war based on political beliefs. It's just not worth it.
He said this will be an actual war with people dying. I can't imagine Americans going out and killing other American just because they're a Republican or Democrat. How could you possibly tell the difference without them saying so? This country was founded so we can have the freedom to express our differences whether it be in religion, political beliefs, etc.

If there is a civil war it will be Americans vs Illegal Immigrants. They are destroying America.... a silent invasion. One day hopefully soon I hope Amercians will wake up and see this and send them back before it's too late.

They are violating the 14th Amendment wich states its ILLEGAL to give illegal aliens any funds from tax payer funded programs. Yup, our own government overlooks this every single day at the cost of YOU.

Soon there will be no more middle class or blue collar workers, they have brought the average wage down from $18 per hour plus benefits to $6 an hour NO benefits and have bankrupt every taxpayer funded program available. They have also made our medical care cost more than 10 times what it was even 5 years ago.

In 30 years our population will be like China..we will be grossly overcrowded with very little places to grow food and not enough water to supply demand. Yup thats right folks. America will be in a 3rd world quiagmire. Bye bye superpower.

Since 1998 illegal immigrants have added 30 million to our population. For the most part they do not contribute to taxes. 48 Billion was spent putting them in prison. 11 Billion a year was spent hiring spanish speaking teachers. They have single handedly bankrupt hospitals by birthing anchor children. They cost 8,000 PER CHILD annually to educate a child IN SPANISH without paying taxes. $8,00 per birth and the list goes on and on to every economic aspect you can imagine. This is the greastes threat America has ever faced.

Has anyone noticed that most health insurance policies no longer offer materinity care? You can thank the illegals for that.

Not to mention they are brining in third world diseases such as leprosy and tuberculosis.

In addition to all that bleak information, President Fox encourages Mexicans to rise up against Americans to take back what they consider rightfully theirs wich was stolen in the 1800's s....Californina, Arizona , Texas parts of Coloradao and so on. I have read that some Mexicans are sworn to take 5 Americans lives to reclaim what they think belongs to them. Can you imagine millions of Mexicans rising up and killing 5 Americans each to reclaim what they think is theirs. Millions and millions of Americans would die at thier hands. There my friend is your civil war.

Originally posted by MauiStacey
If there is a civil war it will be Americans vs Illegal Immigrants. They are destroying America.... a silent invasion. One day hopefully soon I hope Amercians will wake up and see this and send them back before it's too late.

They are violating the 14th Amendment wich states its ILLEGAL to give illegal aliens any funds from tax payer funded programs. Yup, our own government overlooks this every single day at the cost of YOU.

Soon there will be no more middle class or blue collar workers, they have brought the average wage down from $18 per hour plus benefits to $6 an hour NO benefits and have bankrupt every taxpayer funded program available. They have also made our medical care cost more than 10 times what it was even 5 years ago.

In 30 years our population will be like China..we will be grossly overcrowded with very little places to grow food and not enough water to supply demand. Yup thats right folks. America will be in a 3rd world quiagmire. Bye bye superpower.

Since 1998 illegal immigrants have added 30 million to our population. For the most part they do not contribute to taxes. 48 Billion was spent putting them in prison. 11 Billion a year was spent hiring spanish speaking teachers. They have single handedly bankrupt hospitals by birthing anchor children. They cost 8,000 PER CHILD annually to educate a child IN SPANISH without paying taxes. $8,00 per birth and the list goes on and on to every economic aspect you can imagine. This is the greastes threat America has ever faced.

Has anyone noticed that most health insurance policies no longer offer materinity care? You can thank the illegals for that.

Not to mention they are brining in third world diseases such as leprosy and tuberculosis.

In addition to all that bleak information, President Fox encourages Mexicans to rise up against Americans to take back what they consider rightfully theirs wich was stolen in the 1800's s....Californina, Arizona , Texas parts of Coloradao and so on. I have read that some Mexicans are sworn to take 5 Americans lives to reclaim what they think belongs to them. Can you imagine millions of Mexicans rising up and killing 5 Americans each to reclaim what they think is theirs. Millions and millions of Americans would die at thier hands. There my friend is your civil war.

Personally if it was up to me, i would put a tower every 1/2 mile, with 2-3 snipers. Anyone that come with in the scope range gets their skull ventilated. That would stop them from comming over REALLY quick!!!

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Like I said before, I'm not going to continue this nonsense about tasers but I will say....
You asked when we started hearing about taser deaths? Well in one of your own links you provided they said the number of deaths from taser use by police in ALL of North America is 103. When did they start keeping track. 1997. Not 2004. Not 2005.
1997. So to answer your question, we started hearing about taser deaths well before then, but one company started keeping track in 1997.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
Really? But they were still in development as they were still being tested by the SWAT teams! Exactly as John Titor mentioned it. Ofcourse at that time the general public wasn’t aware that they would be used upon….well….them!

All I got to say is read up on the '90s....

Well I can guarantee you the general public wasn’t aware of any taser deaths around the 90’s. However the past few years they became obvious. Especially with the use of the newer developed shooting tasers such as the M26 and X26. All I got to say is read up on this:

www.azcentral.com...
More than 130 people, including four men in the Valley, have died after police Taser shocks since 1999.

www.fwweekly.com...
In 2000, TASER International of Arizona introduced the M26, which the company touted as being nearly four times more powerful than its predecessors.
Three years after the M26 came the X26, offering “even greater stopping power.”
In reviewing the information on 74 deaths reported since 2001 — including autopsy reports on 21 — Amnesty points out that nearly all the deaths occurred in males between 18 and 59 years old, of varying ethnic origin. Most of them involved the M26 Taser, which is used much more frequently than the newer X26.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by ROTH JOINT
Weren’t these programs showing Marines jumping out of helicopters around 2000/2001? Weren’t they showing the M26 and X26 newly developed tasers? Ofcourse they were.

I can guarentee you there are no shows right now or in 2001 showing Marines using tasers. I can guarentee you that.

Read my friend. I never said [neither did Titor] those television programs were showing Marines using tasers. However, those television programs did show Marines jumping out of helicopters as well as SWAT teams testing the newly developed shooting tasers. As previously discussed this is confirmed by Taser International itself.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Since when are we calling them “mobile electric chairs?” Besides you and or Where2Hide who has said that?

/cvo3m
(article originally appeared on: www.sun-sentinel.com June,16 2005)
(www.sun-sentinel.com...)

Protest heats up on Taser use

During the afternoon protest and later at the meeting, Curry joined members of the American Civil Liberties Union, Amnesty International and the NAACP in rallying around family members of Stanley Wilson, 44, of Miami-Dade, who died last month after he was shocked with a stun gun. Demonstrators likened the Taser to "mobile electric chairs" and attributed more than 100 deaths to Tasers nationwide.

John Titor:
"The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights."

www.washingtonpost.com...

GOP Allies Say Bush Is Close to Court Pick
Choice May Be Announced This Week

"This country is really divided right now on the war," she said. "The president, as the leader, should, I think, have an overwhelming feeling to appoint someone that the Senate can agree on to keep the country together, fighting these battles."

why can't titor name the 2 term president or "leader" he references here ?



because he's a scammer looking to sell t-shirts and coffee mugs !!!!!!

Upto 130 civilains killed by tazers

www.rense.com...

How many died at Waco?.. And just how many have to die for it to become important, or for it to matter?

If the police are 1 on 1 then they should be able to use tazers, but when the cops outnumber the civilian they should Not be tazering them. IMO

Titor mentioned non-lethal weapon systems that turn out to be lethal

He used terms like Weapons of Mass Destruction before 9/11

He said we would be duped into a war with Iraq over BS

He said The world would not relalize the civil war till 08 You can see the denial all over this thread.

But Prove to me that he is fake



You can't

Drove threw any Checkpoints here in the good ole USA, were your papers in order?

The war could be caused by christains vs the rest of us....religeous right vs atheists. Good christains allways support wars just ask any American indian.....

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Upto 130 civilains killed by tazers

www.rense.com...

How many died at Waco?.. And just how many have to die for it to become important, or for it to matter?

How long was Waco?
How long is the time period in Rense's taser stats?
How many of those that have died from tasers were high?
And it is important (to hopefully everyone)! I'm in no way saying it isn't. It shows disobeying officers and resisting arrest is just not worth it!

If the police are 1 on 1 then they should be able to use tazers, but when the cops outnumber the civilian they should Not be tazering them. IMO

And I agree. If it's more than one cop, tasering should be one of the last resorts, unless the suspect is truely out of control (some drugs can make you oblivious to pain [and stronger] and sometimes it does take tasers to take them down even with more than one cop).

Titor mentioned non-lethal weapon systems that turn out to be lethal

Yep and I explained those in a previous post. Taser have been around long before Titor.

He used terms like Weapons of Mass Destruction

before 9/11

You know what the goal of Operation Desert Fox was? To "degrade Saddam's ability to produce Weapons of Mass Destruction"
Operation Desert Fox was in 1998.
The term was used in the '30s for crying out loud.

He said we would be duped into a war with Iraq over BS

This is strange. I'm still trying to find the original context but here's the quote:
"None of the things I have said will be a surprise. They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?"

Why would he say nukes here but also mention WMDs elsewhere? We knew Saddam didn't have nukes - no one even claimed that, but we were told he had WMDs.
Also timelines are important here. When that quote was written, what were we doing? Surprise! Bombing the crap out of Iraqs air defenses. This after Iraq recently rejected yet another UN weapons inspections proposal. Stevie Wonder could see what was happening.

He said The world would not relalize the civil war till 08

You can see the denial all over this thread.

I'm so glad Johntitor.com is down so people can now see the original quotes. This is misquoted throughout this thread....
Here's an original quote:

((You say the civil war lasts from 2004 to 2008 and then the short big one in 2015. What do the years from 2008 to 2015 look like? How long does WWIII last.))

I’m not sure I said that exactly. By 2008, I would say the civil conflict is pretty much at everyone’s doorstep. Western instability during the conflict leads to the attack in 2015. WWIII is very short with a longer period of mop up.

People keep saying by "2012" it'd be on everyone's doorstep, but he's says 2008.

But Prove to me that he is fake

The burden falls on you all to prove he's real.

You can't

You can't.


original posts:
www.anomalies.net...

memo

to: all titor supporters
from : reality
sub : basic premise of his story


so the idea behind this guy is that he is a military guy from 2036. The world has seen an american civil war, and WW III. They have time travel technology, but they can't program their OS, so the solution they come up with is to send this guy back in time to get a part from an old IBM computer, bring it back and to fix the problem. While he's here, he decides he should warn us of our doom, and goes to a chatroom on a conspiracy website, to get the word out.

thats about it, right ?

now in present day, he's back in 2036. We know he has a lawyer and you can buy t-shirts from the website, and the young version of titor is somewhere out west with his mother, (who also wrote his book, which you can buy on amazon)


does this really pass the sniff test with some of you ????

why can't he name president bush ?
how could he have met the younger version of himself with no problems ?
why not come back and take out W and prevent WWIII instead of just posting on a conspiracy board ?
where are the waco events ?
where are the organized movements of enemy combatants ?

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
to: all titor supporters
from : reality
sub : basic premise of his story

We know he has a lawyer and you can buy t-shirts from the website,
and the young version of titor is somewhere out west with his mother, (who also wrote his book, which you can buy on amazon)

Titor's posts have been around for a long time. They are VERY popular. Why do you think that JOHN TITOR himself created this website. Why do you think its JOHN TITOR that is making money off of the T-shirts and coffee mugs???

Is it possible... that someone else besides John Titor, is cashing in on the popularity of his posts???

And his mother wrote his book? Where did you get that crap from?
Please provide a link so this can be de-bunked. and by de-bunking THIS, that doesn't mean that everything else is bunk.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest

why can't he name president bush ?
why not come back and take out W and prevent WWIII instead of just posting on a conspiracy board ?

Titor said that HE DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE WHAT HAPPENED!!!
So why would he tell everyone not too elect Bush, why would he want Bush dead? Bush isn't the problem. The problem is the Christians in this country want to impose their beliefs on everyone else, using the LAW to achieve this goal. In my opinion he did NOT come back to WARN us, he came back to try to understand us. Remember we are not liked in the future. We are the generation that had it all, and threw it all away.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest

how could he have met the younger version of himself with no problems ?

Are you serious? Did you get that from a movie? Right now Time Travel is still just a theory...but somehow you KNOW for a FACT that there would be problems with meeting your younger self? You got this from that movie with Jean Claud Van Dam didn't you. So you believe Hollywood Movie Writers know how time travel works. You are Ridiculous.

Do you have any other Foolish Arguments to make? Mabye you can bring up how in Back 2 The Future the time machine didn't work without Plutonium, and how hard it is to find plutonium ... so Titor must be a fraud.

LMAO!