The American Civil War of 2005 as predicted by John Titor

I think that instead of focusing on the '08 elections, we should look closely at the '06 elections coming up. Something came up tonight in a conversation my wife and I had with some friends. If the coming congressional elections end up swinging the majority over to the democrats, how is the president going to react to a hostile congress? This could be a very important milestone, because for Bush's entire administration, he has enjoyed a republican majority in both houses. Essentially, his policies have been appeased. If dems get the majority, what kind of new policies do you think Bush is going to try to push through by executive order?

We've already seen him sign bills into laws, but add in a clause that states that the law does not apply to him.

Personally, I think that if the government is going to be pushed even further into oppressive actions, it will be because of fighting between the legistlature and the executive. Bush definately is not used to not getting his way in the house and senate. That would be a definate shift in the President's power, and would lead to an even more divided government.

I had to add this. I'm glad you guys (excuse that if you are of the fairer sex) are engaging my thoughts with discussion, you all make really great points. I almost never post on message boards. I usually just lurk and read. Thanks for giving me a good welcome and I really look forward to further discussion.

[edit on 23-7-2006 by modese7en]

DrExtravaganza:

Agree as well

It reminds me about revelations (read quite some time ago) where if you didn't have the "666" stamped on your head (or implant or image in your mind (I prefer this) or whatever) then you couldn't trade or do jack.

Are the people in the country the ones that don't "toe the line"?

Cheers

JS

I really have nothing to add to this thread, but I thinks its great that there is still discusion here about Titor, not that I want his predictions to come true. Even though his predictions still more and more describe the world in witch we live in, is everyone ready to get your national ID's in 2008?? Wonder how much gas will cost by then.

Great to see you posting again Roth

Im wondering if this civil war in the USA is going to be a illeagal immigrant/US FED GOV. vs citizen thing. What do you all think?

2006 Haliburton is building detention camps in the US for a possible immigrant crisis. ya right

Gas prices are at a all time high.

Very freaky weather patterns. [haven't had any power for the last 2 days from bad storms, in the middle of a heatwave]

There seems to be no checks and ballance in our government anymore, the president signs bills into law, yet exempts himself and the executive branch from following them.

Housing bubble is bursting.

Ford stock costs $6.50 a share right now.

War in the middleeast[do you think it will get worse or better anytime soon]

Afganistan wow this is sad...we can't even crush the taliban

Iraq, uh...just watch CNN

Dissenters are being arrested for wearing anti-bush t-shirts/pins so much for the freedom of expression and speech....wait you do have these freedoms if you agree with people in power, but if you don't your unpatriotic at the least...a suspected terrorist at the worse....

joy

The assault on civil rights is in full swing.

Bush administration asserts greater control over civil rights division

As a result, staffers say, morale has plunged and experienced lawyers are leaving the division. Last year, the administration offered longtime civil rights attorneys a buyout. Department figures show that 63 division attorneys left in 2005 -- nearly twice the average annual number of departures since the late 1990s.

At a recent NAACP hearing on the state of the Civil Rights Division, David Becker , who was a voting-rights section attorney for seven years before accepting the buyout offer, warned that the personnel changes threatened to permanently damage the nation's most important civil rights watchdog.

"Even during other administrations that were perceived as being hostile to civil rights enforcement, career staff did not leave in numbers approaching this level," Becker said. "In the place of these experienced litigators and investigators, this administration has, all too often, hired inexperienced ideologues, virtually none of which have any civil rights or voting rights experiences."

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Originally posted by modese7en
The vast majority of people who feel like their rights are being taken away by the government in exchange for security are living in the cities. This is what bothers me about what Titor said. He makes the supposition that the people in the country, who voted Republican, are the ones that would be upset with the administrations policies. That just isn't the case. The people in the country are doing everything, up to and including cheering the administration on about it.

In this statement, taken from the article you quoted, you can see what I'm saying. The majority of people willing to vote out the administration that is responsible for any of the current policies that correspond to what Titor said would happen in the days leading up to the civil war were actually in the large urban areas.

This is a polar opposite to the situation that Titor claimed to have happened in his world line. Primarily rural areas are bastions of support for the current administration; he claimed that the people in the cities would be the supporters of the regime responsible for the rise of, as he called it, the Federal Empire.

It doesn’t matter. The second US civil war is not about democratic or republican support… it is not about urban US citizens vs rural US civilians…. it’s about order and rights. Titor referred to the county-by-county map in response to the question: “Are some areas of the United States safer than others?”… Titor’s answer: ”Take a close look at the county-by-county voting map from the last elections.”

So what Titor is saying is a simple: ‘Generally, it will be safer in rural areas.’ The enemy of Titor and his fellow countrymen was IN the cities and the division between "cities" and "country" was well defined by the oppressing Government isolating the cities from the country to gain more control.

When Titor was asked if it was a stalemate with the resistance/militia hiding out until the cities are wiped out allowing them to surface, he answered: “The cities were not isolated because of them [ the Militia ]; they were isolated because of us.” [ the US population outside of the cities – the “country” ]

Titor never claimed people in the cities would be the supporters of the so called “American Federal Empire.” Titor made it very clear people in the cities would be the victims of that regime: “Our home was searched once and the neighbor across the street was arrested for some unknown reason. That convinced my father to leave the city.”

Titor clearly shows us that in the time span 2006 to 2010 the division between the "cities" and the "country" would become well defined.” It’s interesting that Titor emphasized this in early 2001… 3 years before it would actually become clear (on a county-by-county basis rather than a state-by-state one) we indeed have grown deeper into that situation in 2004.

Ofcourse Titor was trying to make something clear to us when he mentioned that county-by-county map. Clearly in 2004 Bush’ rural support faded in the so called Key States.

www.npr.org...
Election 2004
Poll: Bush Rural Support Fades in Key States
Margin Against Democrat Narrows From 2000 Election
Mr. Bush appears set to win the rural vote again, but by a less substantial margin…… Close to half of the respondents, 48 percent, say the nation is on the wrong track, while 43 percent say it's heading in the right direction.

Furthermore, the article I quoted clearly shows how strongly both Kerry and Bush ran in the states they did not win and even in the states which they lost.

How much ‘rural support’ do you think the Bush Administration will have at this moment? I can guarantee you…lesser and lesser….

JT: “If you push a farmer too far, they stop growing food and have nothing to do but hide in the woods and shoot back.”…….

Originally posted by modese7en
Furthermore, I'd like to add a further thought I have as to the area that Titor allegedly lived. This statement is a huge clue for me.

You've been to Cedar Key? You must be aware I don't know any personal information about you. If I was going to guess, I would say it's important to avoid the rattlesnake or you might be "walking" back to shore. You may be happy to know that although the bridge is gone, Cedar Key is still there."

That rings with so much familiarity that its almost funny, like reacting to someone on an international messageboard talking about the small town of 400 that you yourself live in or near. Of course, there are numerous connections between Titor and Celebration that are too hard to miss. Does anyone else have any ideas as to where Titor lived? According to his story, I've narrowed it down to the area Southwest of Gainesville. Its my best guess. I have family in the area, I'd love to take a film crew down and document the search for Titor

But, that area is my guest best. There are numerous survivalist groups in the area, as well as sabbatist churches, that correlate with Titor's beliefs. Just the thought of it though, its funny that some nature coast boys and people like them would be able to get a time machine going. I wonder if it has a bumber sticker that says "Keep honking buddy, I'm reloading" with Yosemite Sam mud flaps.

Good luck with the search! If you believe Titor to be a hoax and you are convinced he must live somewhere in or around Cedar Key or Gainesville…. well there’s a good chance you might find enough proof to be convinced you saw him riding his motorcycle trike…with Yosemite Sam mud flaps!!.....However, I believe there were others claiming they had proof Titor lived in Disneyland as well…..oops……

The right questions are: what cause(s) could be so precious, important and valuable… that people would take the risk or be prepared to die for that cause?…

Peace and Security?….. or Freedom and Individuality?……you choose…..

What fears could become so close, overwhelming and suffocating… that people would take the risk or be prepared to act upon/against these fears?…

Globalisation and Slavery?….. Terrorism and Tyranny?.....you choose….

Look at history and discover the causes driving people to choose for the desperate option of violence…….What could have happened to these people that was bringing them into this situation?….

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Great to see you posting again Roth

LDragonFire!!!!

I am very happy to see you are still going strong around here too!

@Roth

I'm still wavering on the issue. I don't know for a fact that Titor wasn't a hoax, and never said that he was without a doubt one. I can see how you could get that from my posts however. I'm just leaning toward the hoax side.

In fact, everytime I make a assertion that supports the hoax side, I give your side a pretty valid argument. I still believe that right now, the government does not have the support of the urban populace. If fighting were to break out anywhere, it would be in the cities. That's right now, of course, not anywhere in the future.

I've explained that if this stuff is going to go down, there has to be a huge event. 9/11 was the beginning. If the gov't were going to consolidate power like Titor claims, something else is going to happen. I don't believe its going to be any terrorist attack. I think its going to be political dissention in the coming congressional elections. What is Bush going to do when he is faced, for the first time, with a hostile legislature?

Also, about where Titor lived. Look, I was born and raised in the same place that Titor says he lived in his past. I know the area, and I know the people. I especially know the difference between Disneyland and Disneyworld, and the fact that Celebration is its own town. Its not in the theme park, its just owned by the Disney Corp, but then again, most of Orlando is owned by Disney. Do you have links to facts that refute that Titor has connections with Celebration, or that he isn't in fact living there? You can put your little laughing emote on a statement all you want, but without facts to support your assertion I'm just not going to listen.

Like I said though, I have no doubts that Titor is from the area. That isn't to say that he isn't actually from the future and lived there, I just know that he is from the area. Who's to say that his "shotgun infantry" unit didn't take the unit nickname from the local highschool. Sure, it rings a little too much of Red Dawn, but its conceivable. I'm not married to the idea that Titor is a hoax based on my beliefs of where Titor actually lives/lived. My problem with Titor's story is the Omaha/Tampa thing.

Please explain to me how Omaha, of all places, would survive a nuclear war. New York has a better chance of making it through than Omaha. By all means, if you think that Omaha would be safe in a nuclear war, feel free to live there when things start to get bad. I mean, what better place would there to be than our future national capitol? Or, even better, head over to Kansas City. I'm just kidding of course. If we really were in danger of entering a nuclear war, stay far, far away from this whole area. I'm sure everyone wants to think that middle America would be safe, you know, the whole amber waves of grain, mid-west mom and pop apple pie national identity thing we have. But, under all that grain are thousands of missle siloes that thousands of missles in Russia are aimed at as we speak. Go to Oregon.

In any case, I'm not totally opposed to your view on everything Roth. Sure, I don't totally agree with you either, but thats okay, isn't it? I'm the last person in the world that would tell all the believers that they are sheep or stupid, or whatever. I'm here to talk about this thing and hammer out the details without sticking to the usual argument that we don't have waco type events happening or the olympics thing.

So if you'd like to, I'm willing to step back toward the middle again and discuss things neutrally so we can talk about the the consequences of Bush's executive privilage policies and how an opposition revolt in Congress could lead to a huge and detrimental shift in power to the presidency. You want to talk about the federal government finally taking that next step toward controlling the people, I'd start there, current affairs wise.

Also, where did you get the trike thing? You know something we don't know?

[edit on 27-7-2006 by modese7en]

The whole Omaha/Florida thing is ripped straight from the pages of Alas Babylon. He didn't even try to cover that fact up.

Why would the first nukes land in Jacksonville? That makes no sense at all.
Omaha the capital? That doesn't makes sense either, especially if it was Russia (who knows where our military installations are) was doing the nuking.

If Titor wasn't a hoax, why would he just throw that stuff in there like that?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
The whole Omaha/Florida thing is ripped straight from the pages of Alas Babylon. He didn't even try to cover that fact up.

Why would the first nukes land in Jacksonville? That makes no sense at all.
Omaha the capital? That doesn't makes sense either, especially if it was Russia (who knows where our military installations are) was doing the nuking.

If Titor wasn't a hoax, why would he just throw that stuff in there like that?

Even in Alas Babylon, Omaha was basically destroyed. I think its somewhere in chapter 7 or 8, maybe the end, I would have to read my copy again. But I know that Omaha was definately hit in the attacks in the book. Tampa and Orlando were hit in the book as well. I don't remember anything about Jacksonville, but I'll look when I read it again.

modese7en:
One idea of how omaha would make it is defense systems. Think about that. Nuclear Weapons base or city, which would have better missle defense systems? I would say Nuclear weapons area. Omaha is a prime target military wise, military targets are protected in a way cities aren't. Do remember titor did say that the US retaliates with nukes, so russia didnt get all our nuclear bases. I bet omaha has a hell of a defense system in place because of its missle silos and such.

also, the jacksonville thing. Titor didnt say the first place to be hit is jacksonville, he merely said I remember when the first nuclear weapons hit jacksonville. When you read that you can take it as the first nukes (which TJW did) or the first time nukes hit that city. Titor did say the nuclear weapons were small groups of 3, detonated low, to affect the city only.

Originally posted by grimreaper797
modese7en:
One idea of how omaha would make it is defense systems. Think about that. Nuclear Weapons base or city, which would have better missle defense systems? I would say Nuclear weapons area. Omaha is a prime target military wise, military targets are protected in a way cities aren't. Do remember titor did say that the US retaliates with nukes, so russia didnt get all our nuclear bases. I bet omaha has a hell of a defense system in place because of its missle silos and such.

also, the jacksonville thing. Titor didnt say the first place to be hit is jacksonville, he merely said I remember when the first nuclear weapons hit jacksonville. When you read that you can take it as the first nukes (which TJW did) or the first time nukes hit that city. Titor did say the nuclear weapons were small groups of 3, detonated low, to affect the city only.

I get what you're saying, but the US missile defense system doesn't really work like that. The primary weapons we have to use against nuclear icbms are land based interceptor missiles, and they are currently just a few deployed near Ft. Greely, Alaska. Other than that, we have some ship born anti missle systems. The system, however, depends on radar arrays that are deployed in certain areas of the world, like Thule, Greenland and South Korea.

In any case, the systems don't really defend certain areas above others. They are designed to intercept incoming missles in mid-phase, before re-entering the atmosphere; thats same time that the missle's trajectory can be triangulated to it's target area.

The reason that the US would be able to retaliate from our land based missle silos is because of the concept of missles protecting missles. This has nothing to do with the interceptor missles, but how our ICBMs are themselves deployed in tight packs. After the impact of the first missle, a second missle would be torn to shreds before ever getting close because of sand and dust particles in the air. So, you'd have to target a safe area far enough away from the first target that your missle could get through, then once the first area is clear, have a missle hit any other targets close to it. This gives the land based silos close to the first target enough time to launch their payload.

Originally posted by modese7en
@Roth

I'm still wavering on the issue. I don't know for a fact that Titor wasn't a hoax, and never said that he was without a doubt one. I can see how you could get that from my posts however. I'm just leaning toward the hoax side.

It's good to be critical, I understand.

Originally posted by modese7en
I still believe that right now, the government does not have the support of the urban populace. If fighting were to break out anywhere, it would be in the cities. That's right now, of course, not anywhere in the future.

The funny thing is that you are right. The Government does not have the support of the urban populace. Exactly! And Titor never said the Government would have that. As stated in my previous post, Titor made it very clear that the people living in the cities would indeed be the victim.... The situation as it is right now brings us every minute closer and closer to his world... Yes, if fighting were to break out anywhere, it would be in (and around) the cities.... exactly as Titor painted it.... and all of a sudden the ‘shotgun’ makes even more sense….. but be careful not to get “micro-waved”……

Originally posted by modese7en
I've explained that if this stuff is going to go down, there has to be a huge event. 9/11 was the beginning. If the gov't were going to consolidate power like Titor claims, something else is going to happen.

You are probably on the right track....

Originally posted by modese7en
I don't believe its going to be any terrorist attack. I think its going to be political dissention in the coming congressional elections. What is Bush going to do when he is faced, for the first time, with a hostile legislature?

Let me put it this way..... I believe the President of 2008 will be more frightening then Bush could ever be..... and he/she will finish what's necessary.....perhaps something to do with that "American Federal Empire?"........

Originally posted by modese7en
Also, about where Titor lived. Look, I was born and raised in the same place that Titor says he lived in his past. I know the area, and I know the people. I especially know the difference between Disneyland and Disneyworld, and the fact that Celebration is its own town. Its not in the theme park, its just owned by the Disney Corp, but then again, most of Orlando is owned by Disney. Do you have links to facts that refute that Titor has connections with Celebration, or that he isn't in fact living there? You can put your little laughing emote on a statement all you want, but without facts to support your assertion I'm just not going to listen.

No problem. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. I think I have read somewhere Titor's sense of humor was pretty consistent, ironic as well as sophisticated….. must have something to do with “2036 Future Way” Orlando……you can Google it…..

Originally posted by modese7en
My problem with Titor's story is the Omaha/Tampa thing.
Please explain to me how Omaha, of all places, would survive a nuclear war.

I would tend to think.. Omaha would be THE target don’t you think?....

John Titor: “Isn't Hiroshima a thriving city today? The major physical affects include skin cancer, infertility, infection, etc. Almost everyone has some sort of physical remnant from the war.”……

Originally posted by modese7en
Go to Oregon.

Go North.

Originally posted by modese7en
In any case, I'm not totally opposed to your view on everything Roth. Sure, I don't totally agree with you either, but thats okay, isn't it?

Ofcourse, how would we have a discussion?........

Originally posted by modese7en
I'm the last person in the world that would tell all the believers that they are sheep or stupid, or whatever. I'm here to talk about this thing and hammer out the details without sticking to the usual argument that we don't have waco type events happening or the olympics thing.

You have NO idea how incredibly happy you have made me!!!….

Originally posted by modese7en
So if you'd like to, I'm willing to step back toward the middle again and discuss things neutrally so we can talk about the the consequences of Bush's executive privilage policies and how an opposition revolt in Congress could lead to a huge and detrimental shift in power to the presidency. You want to talk about the federal government finally taking that next step toward controlling the people, I'd start there, current affairs wise.

You have made a good start. I believe the “part of what’s to come” “in the grand scheme of things” as Titor put it.. and as it seems to unfold itself in our worldline... perhaps needs a closer observation ….. b.t.w. so I’ve heard, Al Qaeda is joining the “party?”......and it’s only week 3….. perhaps something to do with how Israel will be “prepared for the ultimate defense?”…..and Arab countries will use WMD’s against eachother…..and the world will have changed (read: over) in 2008?.....

www.ynetnews.com...
(07.27.06, 20:05)
Peretz: We’re at war, we must win
'We are preparing for any possible development. If needed, we will exert all power required,'…….“If needed, we will exert all the power required in order to defend Israel and complete the battle. We are preparing for an order."

www.mumbaimirror.com...
‘Now, all the world’s al-Qaeda’s battlefield’
All the world is a battlefield open in front of us,’’ said the Egyptian-born al-Zawahri, second-in-command to Osama bin Laden. “The war with Israel does not depend on cease-fires ... . It is a Jihad for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails ...

Al-Zawahri declared that Arab regimes were complicit in Israeli fighting against Hezbollah and the Palestinians.

“My fellow Muslims, it is obvious that Arab and Islamic governments are not only impotent but also complicit...and you are alone on the battlefield. Rely on God and fight your enemies... make yourselves martyrs.’’

But I can follow you with the “huge and detrimental shift in power to the presidency”…….

Originally posted by modese7en
Also, where did you get the trike thing?

That was just a little joke from my part. You say ”Yosemite Sam mud flaps”….me thinking “motorcycle trike”…. with very biiiiig mud flaps…..

Originally posted by modese7en
You know something we don't know?

Perhaps…. meanwhile… there’s War in the Middle East……


[edit on 27-7-2006 by Roth Joint]

also, the jacksonville thing. Titor didnt say the first place to be hit is jacksonville, he merely said I remember when the first nuclear weapons hit jacksonville. When you read that you can take it as the first nukes (which TJW did) or the first time nukes hit that city. Titor did say the nuclear weapons were small groups of 3, detonated low, to affect the city only.

Either way, Russia nuking everyone still screams of hoax. I've already talked about that in this thread, but since it's buried deep.......


First, Russia would not survive the retal. Not only from us, but from Europe as well. Since they cannot survive, how in the world do they become our largest trading partners? What are we trading, radioactive rocks?
Second, why? Why in the world would Russia do something like that? They don't benefit one bit from it.
Third, remember Titor said that after the nukes destroyed the cities "thus we in the country won". So that would mean they were working with Russia right? Yeah, I'm calling BS on that. No matter how bad things may be, I can't ever see any American willing to allow another country to completely devestate this country like that. That would make Titor's side the bad guys if that was true. That would be unforgivable.

If the only way to have back you're country and you're civil rights/liberty from a dictatorship is to have help from Russia, why not? The USA would not fall to Russian's hands, it would come back to REAL americans who fight this dictatorship for their founders fathers.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
If the only way to have back you're country and you're civil rights/liberty from a dictatorship is to have help from Russia, why not? The USA would not fall to Russian's hands, it would come back to REAL americans who fight this dictatorship for their founders fathers.

1. Titor never says we're in a dictatorship

2. Titor never says that was the only way to get our country back. That's just common sense anyway. Completely destroying your country is not getting your country back.

3. People like you absolutely terrify me. You are willing to completely destroy this country, killing millions of innocent people, bringing death and destruction not only to you but to your children and your children's children, just because you were too lazy to finish the fight yourself? If you think destroying this country by nukes would bring this country on track, you're crazy. It would only make things 1000x worse no matter how you cut it.

#1. I have NO DOUBT that ThatsJustWeird is an Agent of Propoganda for some Christian/Govt. Organization. TJW, How Much Do They Pay You???

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#2. I know this won't help you understand TJW, but here's another sign of the times that YOU are living in.

Marvel Comics "American Civil War"

Its not just one comic but a series of comics which uses heros and villians from across the entire Marvel Comics Family.

The Premise is... Capt. America is leading a group which is actually against the govt. The Problem is the balance of Civil Liberties Vs. Security. The Govt. Has encroached too far in the name of Security.

The Split is with IRon Man, who believes in the letter of the law and is ok with less liberties as long as the people have security.

Stanford, Conneticutt Was Just Destroyed, not sure how, assuming Nuke Device.


www.marvel.com...

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I was made aware of this series thanks to Steven Colbert and the Colbert Report...the best show on TV!
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#3. As far as Waco like Events... How convenient was it that America's Sovereignty was signed over to a greater power, an American Union...in of all places WACO, TX.

Originally posted by Where2Hide2006
#1. I have NO DOUBT that ThatsJustWeird is an Agent of Propoganda for some Christian/Govt. Organization. TJW, How Much Do They Pay You???

I have NO DOUBT, that you are either joking or really are not that intelligent....

Because I don't believe some time traveler makes me so Agent of Propaganda?
Are you....loony (softest word I could use without getting a warn)?
Get real man. Grow up.

#2. I know this won't help you understand TJW, but here's another sign of the times that YOU are living in.

Marvel Comics "American Civil War"

Its not just one comic but a series of comics which uses heros and villians from across the entire Marvel Comics Family.

The Premise is... Capt. America is leading a group which is actually against the govt. The Problem is the balance of Civil Liberties Vs. Security. The Govt. Has encroached too far in the name of Security.

The Split is with IRon Man, who believes in the letter of the law and is ok with less liberties as long as the people have security.

Stanford, Conneticutt Was Just Destroyed, not sure how, assuming Nuke Device.


www.marvel.com...

Nice. But what does this have to do with anything?

I've known about this since they first planned it. What's your point?

The rest of your post is just nonsense (as the vast majority of your posts here are)

Funny how you wrote all that but didn't respond once to my posts. Tell me what in my posts is wrong if you think it's wrong, instead of playing these silly little games.

[edit on 28-7-2006 by ThatsJustWeird]

John Titor: "Wavering Western support for Israel"........

Must have something to do with the killings of 4 unarmed UN peacekeepers in Lebanon, despite numerous calls to the Israeli mission and the Israeli military to protest repeated firing on its outpost....
www.iht.com...

Or perhaps the today killings of 21 innocent children in the southern village of Qana...
www.washingtonpost.com...

Originally posted by modese7en

As well, JT expected Y2k to be a major event. In 98 he allegedly sent Art Bell a fax concerning Y2k

Now for the future you might want to know about. Y2K is a disaster. Many people die on the highways when they freeze to death trying to get to warmer weather. The government tries to keep power by instituting marshall law but all of it collapses when their efforts to bring the power back up fail. A few years later communial government system is developed after the constitution takes a few twists. China retakes Taiwan. Israel wins the largest battle for their life and Russia is covered in Nuclear snow from their collapsed reactors

After Y2k was proven to be a non-event, JT claimed to have taken measures to stopping the Y2k "disaster."

Can you please, post some more information/links about this Titor’s fax? I have never heard of such thing. Where did they appear? Of course we can not be sure if they were made by Titor, but the quota you posted fits exactly to the hypothesis I made for Titor. That he was an ex-y2k activist and he is probably involved in peak oil activism now.
If you are interested you could read these old posts I have made.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hope they might help you in your Titor seash.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Even in cities in Canada, you can't go anywhere safe, some places in certains cities like Vancouver, you have great chance of being killed/rape/attacked by anyone. Some places, the cops don't even go, it's too dangerous.

So yes, there is a distinction between poor and ``middle-class`` ghetto vs city, that kind of thing. And it's in CANADA! Imagine in the USA!

[edit on 18-7-2006 by Vitchilo]

Do you think the distinction is only economic? Is not there a minority/ethnical distinction as well?